# Mafia - Game in progress \[Edited title\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [January 9, 2013, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635 "2013-01-09T16:03:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 25
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2013, 5:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/481 "2013-01-26T05:53:06Z")
> [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](#): > > There is no equalizing necessary or desired. It is the Mod’s job to balance the game, not the players. The players play the game, which is to hunt scum if you’re a Townie and stay alive as long as possible if you’re Scum. It is no one’s job to try to lay out a bunch of soft pillows and booster seats for the people who don’t happen to have power roles. Vanilla players need no protecting. Power roles need no protecting. People die in this game, most of the time Townies. It is what makes the game a fun puzzle to play. > > For someone who speaks in analogies, sometimes you don’t parse the analogies of others very well. That is what my ‘Campaign To Appreciate And EqualIze The Playing Field For The Common Vanilla (Wo)Man ™’ was. An analogy, with a little tongue and cheek humor thrown in. At the risk of overuse quixotic as a Meeko qualifier, the idea that vanilla players need a champion is about as close as you can get to seeing dragons where there are windmills. > > You came out with some sort of muddy accusations against Pizza and Pleo because, apparently, when seen through the filters of some of your past games when you felt you had been a misunderstood vanilla player, you think their strategies make it somehow harder on the vanilla Townies. I don’t even know how you’d prove that to anyone in order to make it compelling. I have been in some of those games where you think you were misunderstood, and I didn’t understand it then. I still don’t understand it now, but most importantly, we are in THIS game now. And your arguments are lacking relevance and understandability. Hence my statement that I don’t grock you. A vanilla townie will make the least convincing case that he is indeed vanilla townie. All other alignments / classes of player have everything that vanilla townies have and then some. It is this " some " that will have scum evade the lynch as we lynch vanilla townies. This, to some degree is inevitable. Why are we letting Pizza and Pleonast entertain the thoughts therein, serving only to accelerate the odds here? But, yours, yours is a think asking for clarification on all things to stall and delay your response, so that when you have percison crafted it, you know exactly where to “place” it into the game state. I think you want to make sure you aren’t giving away anything. I think you want to make sure you don’t want to stick out too far. I think you serve both purposes by asking for clarification so that you can respond with a bare minimum that satisfies the question. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2013, 6:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/482 "2013-01-26T06:35:05Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > A vanilla townie will make the least convincing case that he is indeed vanilla townie. No idea what you’re trying to say here. > [@](#): > > All other alignments / classes of player have everything that vanilla townies have and then some. It is this " some " that will have scum evade the lynch as we lynch vanilla townies. > > This, to some degree is inevitable. > > Why are we letting Pizza and Pleonast entertain the thoughts therein, serving only to accelerate the odds here? As such, I have no idea what you’re trying to say here either. > [@](#): > > But, yours, yours is a think asking for clarification on all things to stall and delay your response, so that when you have percison crafted it, you know exactly where to “place” it into the game state. > I think you want to make sure you aren’t giving away anything. I think you want to make sure you don’t want to stick out too far. I think you serve both purposes by asking for clarification so that you can respond with a bare minimum that satisfies the question. And for the trifecta, no idea what you’re trying to say here either. ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2013, 9:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/483 "2013-01-26T09:20:13Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > The entire equalize the playing field for vanilla townie … You being against it pings me. The opposition of equalizing the field is ripe for scum motivation. Meeko, I’m struggling to follow you too, is there something specific you’d like to do to support vanilla town? What have Pleo, Pizza and Cookies done, or not done, to deserve a vote? Or is this simply a strategy disagreement? Would you prefer this to be an all-power role games where multi-vote is not allowed and Day cycles are much shorter? > [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > To answer\*\* Guiri\*\*'s question, this is what I mean by a vote with no accountability. But you, and others, have voted him for his vote. You’re questioning his motivation and using his vote as a sign of potential scumminess, isn’t that what holding someone accountable is all about? It was a weak vote, probably a joke vote as he claims, but he’s been forced to defend it and himself. > [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > **Guiri** , why the vote on **Choie** , is it really because she posted just after you called her on not checking in? Could it be that you are scum and are worried that she might notice a change in your playing style? A third possibility occurs to me too, is it revenge for a previous game? 🙂 Why don’t you accompany these accusations with a vote? I nominated her early in the Day for a couple of minor things: responding specifically to being called out, not having anything to say for herself. Not a very strong case I admit but enough for an opening vote, a little pressure on her to see her reactions. For a single vote, so early in the Day, with thin reasoning, I’d expect her to ignore me, brush me off as a minor distraction, or joke back but her reaction was somewhat revealing (the sit-back-and-watch approach, the urge to, but restraint from, omgus, the exaggerated accusation of being fixated) and so I thought I may be on to something so I continued to prod and provoke. I think she’s overly concerned with how she’s viewed, overly cautious in relation to this game, over-reacted to a single vote, and generally has done nothing to make me want to unvote. ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2013, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/484 "2013-01-26T13:42:48Z")
Meeko, were you with Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra? ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2013, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/485 "2013-01-26T14:19:58Z")
> [@Enderw24](#): > > Meeko, were you with Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra? Me understanding more than 5% of what Meeko says is Shaka when the walls fell. Here’s my latest vote count (not guaranteed accurate and obviously based on story’s last count): **Chucara** (6 votes) – Lightfoot (300), Texcat (334), Mahaloth (337), Silver Jan (351), fubbleskag (361), orthohedron (434) **Askthepizzaguy** (4 votes) – choie (312), Texcat (334), Silver Jan (351), Johnny Bravo (392) **Babale** (3 votes) – Stanislaus (236), Suburban Plankton (369), gnarlycharly (373) **orthohedron** (3 votes) – DiggitCamara (244), Chucara (327), Askthepizzaguy (328) **Johnny Bravo** (3 votes) – USCDiver (289), Askthepizzaguy (389), Mahaloth (407) **RedSkeezix** (2 votes) - Askthepizzaguy (215), Enderw24 (233) **Ryjae** (2 votes) - GuiriEnEspana (220), Cookies (301) **Cookies** (2 vote) – Stanislaus (352), Meeko (472) **Pleonast** (1 vote) – Johnny Bravo (225) **choie** (1 vote) - GuiriEnEspana (220) **USCDiver** (1 vote) – Astral Rejection (229) **Mahaloth** (1 vote) – wombat99 (238) **Enderw24** (1 vote) – RedSkeezix (245) **wombat99** (1 vote) – Cookies (301) **Stanislaus** (1 vote) – Cookies (301) **GuiriEnEspana** (1 vote) – choie (332) **DiggitCamara** (1 vote) – Texcat (334) **fubbleskag** (1 vote) – Dizzymrslizzy (439) **Val Salva** (1 Vote) - RyJae (466) I’m still happy with my vote on\*\* Johnny Bravo\*\* and I’m not seeing the cases against **Chucura** or \*\*Pizza \*\*to be particularly compelling. **fubbleskag** , if you’re working on an update to your Mafia extension, could you add the ability to flag specific posts as scummy or townie and/or a +/- button that I could click to keep track of an individual player’s scummy vs townie actions? ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2013, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/486 "2013-01-26T15:07:41Z")
> [@RyJae](#): > > (snipped) > Really nothing to go on Day 1 at all. We have to vote for someone because it is the way to play, I don’t really understand why but it is. To explain that a bit, how many times does a scum actually slip up Day 1? I imagine not that often the only thing we can do in a game is go back over actions and see the words as they were wrote after a town dies knowing they were truthful. > (snipped) The way I see it, the main thing scum has that town doesn’t is information. So, depending on each scum, you’ll sometimes see them passionately defending someone who’s about to be lynched. Why would they, if they don’t have information on them? You’ll also see them conspicuously avoiding contact with someone else, no matter what happens. Other then that? Like you, I guess you have to wait for several Days to pass, re-read continuously and try to ferret out who’s who. It’s mostly guesstimation, if you ask me. ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2013, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/487 "2013-01-26T15:12:59Z")
To answer **Cookie** ’s comment about my vote for \*\*orthohedron \*\*: The reason I’m voting for him/her is not really because (s)he is a newb; it’s because the only thing I’ve read so far from him/her is: an apologetic explanation about him/her being a newb and a couple of fawning comments as well. The problem being: it’s a way to paint him/herself as a harmless newcomer. Nothing to see here! I much prefer a newb who dives right into the fray. That helps both town and gives us some actual information about the player. ---
**Author:** ![fubbleskag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fubbleskag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fubbleskag)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2013, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/488 "2013-01-26T16:00:06Z")
I also have no idea wtf **Meeko** is saying; it’s almost like he’s posting via some kind of text generator… > [@USCDiver](#): > > **fubbleskag** , if you’re working on an update to your Mafia extension, could you add the ability to flag specific posts as scummy or townie and/or a +/- button that I could click to keep track of an individual player’s scummy vs townie actions? This is on my wishlist; I just need to find a decent way to store the +/- values; at the moment I’m looking into cookies, but realize these are not ideal - it’s not clear to me yet if the chrome extension system allows for some type of local database built into the browser or if I can somehow make use of HTML5 offline storage. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2013, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/489 "2013-01-26T16:53:14Z")
> [@fubbleskag](#): > > I also have no idea wtf **Meeko** is saying; it’s almost like he’s posting via some kind of text generator… Fubble isn’t the only one to notice Meeko’s confusing posts(just the most recent). Is Meeko more or less confusing than any other game, though? ---
**Author:** ![Val\_Salva](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/ee59a6/32.png) [@Val\_Salva](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Val_Salva)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2013, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/490 "2013-01-26T17:28:55Z")
I’m here - Had less time than I thought - unexpectedly have 3 patients each day through the w/e. I’m going to _try_ to catch up, but holy hell, there are a lot of posts… ---
**Author:** ![fubbleskag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fubbleskag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fubbleskag)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2013, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/491 "2013-01-26T17:31:41Z")
> [@fubbleskag](#): > > This is on my wishlist; I just need to find a decent way to store the +/- values; at the moment I’m looking into cookies, but realize these are not ideal - it’s not clear to me yet if the chrome extension system allows for some type of local database built into the browser or if I can somehow make use of HTML5 offline storage. looks like there’s sync-able storage built-in, hooraw ---
**Author:** ![fubbleskag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fubbleskag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fubbleskag)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2013, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/492 "2013-01-26T17:32:56Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > Fubble isn’t the only one to notice Meeko’s confusing posts(just the most recent). Is Meeko more or less confusing than any other game, though? I’ve only played mafia with him once, when I sabotaged his first attempt at hosting, so I can’t say if this is more or less than usual. eta: I don’t mean to pick on you specifically, I’ve been meaning to point this out for months, but my username is all lowercase. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2013, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/493 "2013-01-26T18:22:46Z")
> [@fubbleskag](#): > > I’ve only played mafia with him once, when I sabotaged his first attempt at hosting, so I can’t say if this is more or less than usual. > > eta: I don’t mean to pick on you specifically, I’ve been meaning to point this out for months, but my username is all lowercase. Why admit to the sabotage? That it was premeditated even? Why confess now? But seriously, it’s been a factor in me decidin to take a long break at hosting again **VOTE Fubbs** OMGUS Forever ---
**Author:** ![fubbleskag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fubbleskag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fubbleskag)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2013, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/494 "2013-01-26T19:47:21Z")
are you seriously voting me for a lynch in this game for something I did in another game several months ago on another forum? I just want to be 100% clear that’s what’s happening. ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2013, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/495 "2013-01-26T20:22:16Z")
> [@fubbleskag](#): > > are you seriously voting me for a lynch in this game for something I did in another game several months ago on another forum? I just want to be 100% clear that’s what’s happening. Yeah, that was my impression and also U Suk 4-Eva!! ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2013, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/496 "2013-01-26T20:24:21Z")
> [@fubbleskag](#): > > are you seriously voting me for a lynch in this game for something I did in another game several months ago on another forum? I just want to be 100% clear that’s what’s happening. If I thought for a minute that Meeko was serious with that reasoning I’d drop a vote but I don’t think it is ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2013, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/497 "2013-01-26T20:33:24Z")
Well with a week to go before EOD, I’m all tucked in and ready for a bedtime story. What in the heck happened, fubbs and meeko? ---
**Author:** ![Chucara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Chucara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chucara)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2013, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/498 "2013-01-26T22:10:44Z")
Heads up: I’m in kind of a shitstorm at work, so the man has me working the weekend and I have a tenant moving into an apartment on monday, so I am seriously booked this weekend… I will do what I can to catch up and get some votes in, but mafia isn’t currently my top priority. Sorry about this. As I can’t promise I will be back until EOD, I’m just going to go ahead and claim Vanilla. PM matches the one posted. I am perfectly fine with being lynched. Though I’d prefer not be lynched over ‘pancakes’. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2013, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/499 "2013-01-26T22:16:08Z")
EOD isn’t until Wednesday, January 30 around 2:00PM Eastern time. ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2013, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/500 "2013-01-27T00:35:18Z")
Vote Count as at post 500. Six votes[ul][li]Chucara : LightFoot (300), Texcat (334), Mahaloth (337), Silver Jan (351), fubbleskag (361), [del]Babale (+367) (-453)[/del], Orthohedron (434)[/ul][/li] Four votes[ul][li]ATPG : Choie (312), Texcat (334), Silver Jan (351), [del]Babale (+367), (-426)[/del], Johnny Bravo (392), [del]Meeko (+436), (-472)[/del][/ul][/li] Three votes[ul][li]Babale : Stanislaus (236), Suburban Plankton (369), Gnarlycharlie (373), [del]Chucara (+422), (-427)[/del][/li][li]Johnny Bravo : USCDiver (289), ATPG (389), Mahaloth (407)[/li][li]Orthohedron : DiggitCamara (244), Chucara (327), ATPG (328)[/ul][/li] Two votes[ul][li]Dark Cookies : Stanislaus (352), Meeko (472)[/li][li]fubbleskag : Dizzymrslizzy (439), Meeko (493)[/li][li]Red Skeezix : ATPG (215), Enderw24 (233)[/li][li]RyJae : guiri (220), [del]Mahaloth (231), (337)[/del], DarkCookies (301 )[/ul][/li] One vote[ul][li]Choie : guiri (220)[/li][li]DiggitCamara : Texcat (334)[/li][li]Enderw24 : Red Skeezix (345)[/li][li]guiri : Choie (332), [del]fubbleskag (+361), (-445)[/del][/li][li]Mahaloth : Wombat99 (238)[/li][li]Pleonast : Johnny Bravo (225), [del]Meeko (+436), (-472)[/del][/li][li]Stanislaus : DarkCookies (301)[/li][li]USCDiver : Astral Rejection (229), [del]fubbleskag (+361), (-445)[/del][/li][li]Val Salva : RyJae (466)[/li][li]Wombat99 : [del]Orthohedron (+284), (-434)[/del], DarkCookies (301)[/ul][/li] This comes with the usual caveats re compiler’s error. If you see any errors or omissions, just point them out and they will be corrected. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635.md?page=24) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635.md?page=26)