# Mafia - Game in progress \[Edited title\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [January 9, 2013, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635 "2013-01-09T16:03:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 26
**Author:** ![fubbleskag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fubbleskag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fubbleskag)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2013, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/501 "2013-01-27T01:14:22Z")
> [@Enderw24](#): > > Well with a week to go before EOD, I’m all tucked in and ready for a bedtime story. > > What in the heck happened, fubbs and meeko? I’ll let him tell it - my version will be far less interesting than his, I’m sure. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2013, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/502 "2013-01-27T03:01:54Z")
> [@fubbleskag](#): > > I’ll let him tell it - my version will be far less interesting than his, I’m sure. As a TOWN Cop, Fubbs lies and tells the game that a scum player was town. One can understand why he might not want that information public. A Town power role lying and passing a scum player as town. The motivation and wine flows freely on this one. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2013, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/503 "2013-01-27T03:08:21Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > If I thought for a minute that Meeko was serious with that reasoning I’d drop a vote > > but I don’t think it is The only thing I know for certain, is that I am very mixed learning that Fubbs intended to sabotage my game. I mean, I take a lot, but deliberate sabotage against a mod, on their first game even, is a very low blow. I have ideas for other games, but if you guys could care less about [del]me[/del] them, then I don’t see the motivation to ever [del]play[/del] host a game ever again. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2013, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/504 "2013-01-27T03:50:48Z")
Ohohoh I have some vague memory of all of this. I was sitting in the spoiled dead lounge and we all thought that Meeko had given investigator fubbs bad information when fubbs boldly announced his investigation of the previous night yielded a townie. I sent a pm to Meeko saying wtf it looks like you messed up. But it was actually some gambit by fubbs that didn’t make a lick of sense to me at the time. He was somehow trying to catch a second scum by failing to expose the first. I think fubbs explained later that he was hoping the other scum would say wtf because he knew the investigative results were false. As I recall that didn’t happen and it all turned out to be a really bad, failed gambit by fubbs. But Meeko, I am positive that fubbs was not intending to sabotage your game, that was just the unfortunate consequence. I think according to the Pizza recipe we are now supposed to be discussing the nominees. Looking at MHaye’s very helpful vote totals, the leading 5 are Chacura, Pizza, Babale, Bravo, and Ortho. I am very happy with my vote on Chacura. He voted Ortho based on his admittedly random pancakes, and then refused to unvote Ortho based on a lack of defense. I have no idea how he expected Ortho to defend himself against pancakes. I am a little less happy with my vote on Pizza. I voted him also for his pile on vote on Ortho. I don’t really like the votes on Pizza based on the Pizza Plan, something he suggested in another game, long before his alignment in this game was known. I am disinclined to vote for the noobs Bravo and Ortho Today, particularly as the votes for them seem to be mostly because they are noobs. And Babale, I’d have to look at more closely if the vote came down to her and someone else. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2013, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/505 "2013-01-27T19:01:00Z")
> [@RyJae](#): > > Really nothing to go on Day 1 at all. We have to vote for someone because it is the way to play, I don’t really understand why but it is. To explain that a bit, how many times does a scum actually slip up Day 1? I can cite you games where the sole mafioso (SK) was lynched day one. I can cite you games where a mafioso was lynched day one with two votes. It’s not really slips that you’re looking for. Rare is the case someone plays that badly. What you’re looking to do is what you do every Day of the game- [del]try to take over the world.[/del] Try to catch mafia. > [@](#): > > I imagine not that often the only thing we can do in a game is go back over actions and see the words as they were wrote after a town dies knowing they were truthful. That doesn’t usually tell us as much as when a scum dies. We go over their words knowing that they have a strong possibility of including lies, lies which if known to be lies, give a strong indication as to what the truth might actually be. > [@](#): > > We have a better than not chance of hitting town Day 1 lynch, the scum have a much better chance nailing a townie Night 1. What benefit does the Day 1 lynch have again? This is a bad argument. So long as town outnumbers the scums (meaning, there is still a game to be played) town has a better than average chance of hitting town, if they voted randomly. There is no point in the game when town does not have a better than average chance of hitting town. Waiting until there’s a time when a scum lynch is likely is waiting until the game is over. Waiting until tomorrow to begin lynching is the same thing as beginning the game with (at least) two less townies, but the same amount of scums. The game is balanced for this number of townies. If we want to wait until the scums clear out half of us then we’re in for a bumpy ride to say the least. Town usually does not win games where every single lynch must be correct, that is, a lynch or lose situation starting day one. Such games are not very well balanced. The chance for mislynches to happen and for town to still win are all we have. We need to take shots in the dark at the scum. If we do not begin that process now, then townies will die anyway, and we will be absolutely no closer to finding the scums. Even voting data on townies is useful, because eventually, some scumbag will have voted in such a way to either bus a teammate, save a teammate, or intentionally avoid looking like they’re doing one or the other. Even on rounds we don’t lynch scum, the content of the round is important. If we do not generate content and we don’t vote, scums win automatically. > [@](#): > > Day 2 and on then we have more information, but yeah Day 1 voting and calling someone scum is not a good plan in my opinion. We have no more information day two except potentially some detective results. We also have the likelihood of a dead town detective by then. Waiting for town power roles to save is is the worst plan ever devised in these games, and I’ve personally shattered dozens of towns who tried. It makes it so very easy, because then you don’t have a town of 20 or so players, you have a town or maybe two or three and you just need to murder those guys and you’ve won. And such sentiments about being so reluctant to take a shot at the scum and lynch a townie make the hairs in my nose stand up and do the funky chicken dance. I’d like to put in a late nomination for RyJae. This one is certainly worth some additional attention. **Vote: RyJae** I have come across many scumbags whose (rather questionable) strategy has been to act like they really, and truly, care about the lives of the people we might mislynch along the way to victory. They stick out like a sore thumb and their arguments are very poor. Almost makes voting for them unsporting. And now for my rankings on my Who-I-Wanna-Kill-O-Meter… ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2013, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/506 "2013-01-27T19:28:01Z")
> [@Chucara](#): > > Hi everyone. This is my first game here in more than 3 years, so I hope I can get accustomed to the single-thread game. > > As for the barn: I don’t know what to use it for just yet. Maybe someone has the ability to watch who writes on the barn. If that is the case, scum can’t use it to fake investigation results. > > It would obviously be an advantage if the cop could write investigation results on the barn without exposing themselves. > > On the other hand, we don’t want the cop to reveal his/her investigations immediately, or scum would just pick them off one by one. > > Anyway, we should not blindly trust what is on the barn. This is Chucara’s first real post of the game after PMs got sent and rec’d. This seems to be kind of a “stating the obvious” post, which scum are wont to do. No firm lean but certainly possible to be scum. > [@Chucara](#): > > NETA: I don’t even know how to begin Pizza’s theory on D1. If so, am I supposed to nominate some one NOW? For very good reasons, I have no leans on anyone. > > D2 it makes sense, but D1 isn’t going to work that way IMO. Seems to be “scum pretending to be a lost townie” post. Doesn’t know how to begin suggesting people for death, but has played mafia before. Slight scum lean on this post. > [@Chucara](#): > > I’ll just make this clear: For the time being, I will stick to Pizza plan. If nothing else, then just to see how it works. > > The biggest drawback IMO is the loss of flexibility. I usually vote 3-5 times a day - often to no other reason than to get a reaction from the person I’m voting. I find that more often that not, by endgame, this will give me an (often correct) gut feeling about who is scum and who is not. > > I haven’t played with many of you long enough to know who to nominate just yet. Will give plan a try, likes to vote to get a reaction, doesn’t know who to nominate. +1 Acting cooperatively, a diplomatic position to take +1 says voting is a good idea, another statement of the obvious +1 another post with no vote, contradicting the virtues of voting There are too many things pinging me about this post not to say it’s giving me a scum lean. > [@Chucara](#): > > Ok, this one-thread thing is driving me slightly nuts. How do you guys keep track what you’ve read and what you haven’t? No lean. > [@Chucara](#): > > Occasionally, knowing a players playing style helps me pick who is not playing like they normally do. > > I don’t mind voting, but I see absolutely nothing out of the ordinary to lead to towards anyone in particular. > > In the interest of at least having a vote for now: > > **vote orthohedron** > > Because pancakes - that’s why 😃 If the man was less hesitant to vote, I’d have a town lean on this post. It’s otherwise normal and healthy town behavior. He’s acting like he’s afraid to break a Fabergé egg. [SIZE=2]I do like the vote on orthohedro[SIZE=2]n. So[SIZE=2] I have no specific lean here. [/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE] > [@Chucara](#): > > LOL. I positively loved that I’m being voted for my EARLY Day One vote with the stated reason of ‘pancakes’. > > Yes.. My clever and devious scum plan was to deceive you all with my delicious sugary treats. MWHAHAHAHA!! > > Yes, my vote on Orthohedron was random. But this is day one. I like to put out a pressure vote here and there. The lack of response however is enough to leave my vote there (given that I have more than one this time). > > However, my joke vote apparently also was a weak excuse for lazy players to put down a vote. And if there’s one thing scum loves - it’s lazy votes. > > I’ll try to limit the OMGUS to the one player of those voting me that stood out: > > **vote Babale** > > Babale voted for me for voting for someone in the lead (actually only had 1 vote at the time) at a time when the Chucara bandwagon was gaining speed. > > Still looking for further candidates.. If nothing pops up, I will probably start voting for people who aren’t participating. I still got a pretty strong whiff of townie from this post. It makes up for a lot of the early questionable. It reads as strong and genuine emotion and rather than playing more cautiously or getting defensive, his reaction seems to be to attack. I like it. Gives me something to analyze. For this post, and perhaps this post alone, I’d be willing to leave Chucara be today. > [@Chucara](#): > > Babale: I did read your post. And it doesn’t make much sense to me. Yes, my JOKE VOTE was terribly reasoned. But not nearly as terribly reasoned as “Chucara is more likely to be scum than anyone else” based on what? > > - Based on Pizza voting AFTER me. Now for me to be scum because of this, both Pizza and I would have to be scum. And we’d have to be secretly plotting on day one to all jump on Ort. I would go as far as to say that this is impossible. > - Based on my ‘pancakes’ vote. Please tell me how the brilliant plan of voting with a reason of ‘pancakes’ would possibly be a viable scum ploy? What possible scum motivation could there be behind as idiotic a reason as ‘pancakes’. > - Based on voting for the lynch leader. With 6 days until deadline. With 2/3 of the players not having voted yet. As a 3rd vote (I actually thought it was a 2nd vote, I haven’t checked) > > I think your vote on me is easy, and lazy. It’s day one, so many players jump at any excuse they get to vote, scum in particular - I’m not convinced you’re scum just yet, but if you’re town, I simply see no reason in why you are voting for me. He’s got a point. > [@Chucara](#): > > I believe Pizza first conceived the plan at the end of the last game on the Giraffe. The game had ended, and he was scum. > > Not that I think it matters at all. > > **unvote Babale** > > I’m actually quite pleased with your reaction to my vote. Or.. at least it doesn’t strike me as scummy. I still don’t agree or see your reasoning, but I’m used to drawing attention on day one, so no worries. > > I’ll ponder my next move for a while. Strikes me as sound. > [@Chucara](#): > > Heads up: I’m in kind of a shitstorm at work, so the man has me working the weekend and I have a tenant moving into an apartment on monday, so I am seriously booked this weekend.. I will do what I can to catch up and get some votes in, but mafia isn’t currently my top priority. Sorry about this. > > As I can’t promise I will be back until EOD, I’m just going to go ahead and claim Vanilla. PM matches the one posted. I am perfectly fine with being lynched. > > Though I’d prefer not be lynched over ‘pancakes’. 😛 Play so far reads as not just statistically likely to be vanilla townie, but also likely to be vanilla townie based on content. I don’t see town power role here, so he’s a safer lynch than others. But still, in all likelihood, a wrong lynch. TL;DR: I see snippets of odd behavior at first. Or overly cautious. But he’s redeemed himself as much as I can tell with my lie detector sensors. I cannot smell any specific lies or misdirections and his voting has been perfectly reasonable to me. If you look hard you can see potentially overcautious or too-obvious commentary. But that can happen to townies as well so it’s not a strong indicator either way. I see no reliable indicators that he’s scum, and will not support the Chucara lynch. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2013, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/507 "2013-01-27T19:42:42Z")
Okay, looking back the nominees are: (with my votes in bold) Chucara (5) ATPG (4) Babale (3) \*\*Johnny \*\*(3) \*\*Ortho \*\*(3) \*\*RyJae \*\*(3) Cookies (2) Fubble (2) \*\*Skeezix \*\*(2) Choie, Diggit, Ender, Guiri, Mahaloth, Pleo, Stanislaus, USCDiver, Val Salva, Wombat * * * After a thorough analysis of the leader, I will not support the \*\*Chucara \*\*lynch at this time. I have a town lean on him. \*\*Askthepizzaguy \*\*is townie. I will not vote to spare myself this game due to being vanilla townie, the alternative might be a town power role. So my role is no more useful than any other, and as such, it’s not wise to vote for someone just to save me. Not worth saving. This means both of the lynch leaders are safe lynches, but unproductive ones. Getting to my nominations, **Orthohedron** - currently number one on my potentially scum list. Not that it means all that much on D1. I am willing to lynch Orthohedron. **RyJae** - For the reasons stated in a previous post, I’d be willing to lynch RyJae. I had no actual reason to vote **Red Skeezix** (other than it’s day one I gotta vote for someone) but if you wanted to lynch him today I would keep my vote there, since I nominated him to die. I will say I’ve put zero thought into it and as such, wouldn’t feel particularly enthusiastic about it. But I’d be pleasantly surprised if he flipped scum. I’m not scum and if I were, he’s not my scum partner, feel free to test that at your convenience. I voted for Johnny Bravo largely to get some answers and to focus attention on his behavior. I feel I’ve accomplished that and have a tough time reading newbies. (Hi choie) As such, of my nominees, I’d be least inclined to lynch Johnny Bravo. But as with all my nominees, I will not unvote him without good cause. I don’t want to lynch Cookies, choie, or Val Salva. I have a good handle (I think) on their personalities and none are screaming scum at me. I have no opinion on the others and no data, and although I’d prefer to lynch one of my own nominees, I have no real objection to any of the others swinging. You’d have to convince me of their scummy behavior (quote it for me) to earn my vote on them. TL;DR I recommend lynching someone with either 2 or 3 votes on them presently, except Cookies. I do not recommend a lynch on the leader or runner-up. 1. **Orthohedron** 2. **RyJae** 3. **Red Skeezix** 4. Fubbleskag 5. Babale 6. **Johnny Bravo** … Next to last: Cookies, choie, Val Salva, Chucara Dead last: Askthepizzaguy I also note that it is statistically likely that someone with 1 vote on them is guilty. If I have time, I’ll dig into analyzing that. But that’s gonna take a long time and I’m on a 4 day vacation with my girl, so there are such things as higher priorities than analyzing those unlikely to be lynched, esp on D1. ---
**Author:** ![RyJae](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9d8465/32.png) [@RyJae](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RyJae)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2013, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/508 "2013-01-27T19:43:24Z")
Go for it ATPG I am vanilla town, as I tried to make clear. I realllllly don’t like how you’re trying to guide this hunt though. So for my vote on scum chance not lurker it will have to be you. **vote askthepizzaguy** Other than that, if I do not survive the Day I can only hope the town doesn’t allow any verbose people to guide the rest of town. If I do survive the Day then toMorrow I and others will have more information to go on to make a more informed choice. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2013, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/509 "2013-01-27T19:53:09Z")
Note: We’re now digging into time for phases three and four, so… > [@](#): > > **3) Near end of Day: Defense and Prosecution** > > Now the time has come for detectives to reveal their results if they intended to do so today. Anyone who has any information from the previous night who can add to the defense of the top candidates, or the prosecution of said candidates, who has decided to offer that information today, should offer it then. The lead candidate should reveal their role now, or keep silent. If there are outed masons or detectives, they should offer their final best judgment as to who must die. The leaders have already revealed their claim. There are no detective results or other information, and I wouldn’t recommend any power role reveal this early except in the case of being lynched. As such, this phase is basically complete, but if the lynch moves onto other candidates then they should be given a chance to defend themselves. I recommend spending a day deciding which candidate to wagon, one last day to claim/defend, and finally wagon our chosen candidate on the final day remaining. > [@](#): > > **4) End of Day: Judgment time.** > > Everyone must cast their votes in an attempt to kill their top suspect. Wagons will form and the top candidate will be lynched. > > This is no longer the time for reveal of role under pressure. All reveals should have happened before this. Any reveal should be ignored at this point and the candidate should generally be lynched regardless. > > Secondary candidates should be pushed for the lynch so that it is possible for the pro-town forces to reverse the wagon, but it would be difficult for the mafia to do so without outing at least two additional members thereof. In other words, there should be an established lead candidate with 4-5 votes more than the second place candidate. > > The lynch happens at this time. Due to it being Day One, some of the process is redundant here. I wouldn’t stick too closely to the framework except to say that it would be unwise for folks to claim a town power unless they’re definitely about to swing. No need for additional freebie info. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2013, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/510 "2013-01-27T19:54:14Z")
> [@RyJae](#): > > Go for it ATPG I am vanilla town, as I tried to make clear. I realllllly don’t like how you’re trying to guide this hunt though. Oh well. No skin off my scrot. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2013, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/511 "2013-01-27T21:20:35Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > The only thing I know for certain, is that I am very mixed learning that Fubbs intended to sabotage my game. > > I mean, I take a lot, but deliberate sabotage against a mod, on their first game even, is a very low blow. > I have ideas for other games, but if you guys could care less about [del]me[/del] them, then I don’t see the motivation to ever [del]play[/del] host a game ever again. Why mixed? I don’t know the details, but it sounds entirely rude. It’s _couldn’t_ care less. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2013, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/512 "2013-01-27T21:23:07Z")
Ah, I was posting while I read. Perhaps fubble was not entirely rude if he did not intentionally sabotage your game, Meeko. Either way, it tells us nothing about this game. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2013, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/513 "2013-01-27T21:28:47Z")
Meeko, current lack of understanding you in this game aside, I’m confident that I’m not alone in liking you and caring about you and supporting you in your creative gaming endeavors. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2013, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/514 "2013-01-27T21:52:37Z")
My thoughts on every single one of our serious lynch candidates, plus some other folks. In the interest of space and time, this is just about exactly how my notes look. I’m not going to worry about hunting down quotes or explaining each individual note too terribly much, since it’s just Day 1 hunches and gut feels. Questions? Ask away. * * * **Chucara** -don’t like LightFoot’s vote on Chucara -totes cool with TexCat’s vote for Chucara for his vote on Ortho -agree with mahaloth’s vote for Chucara’s “pancakes” vote -agree with Silver Jan’s vote for “pancakes” vote -okay with Babale’s vote on Chucara, though it feels “over-explained”, if that’s a thing > [@Chucara](#): > > LOL. I positively loved that I’m being voted for my EARLY Day One vote with the stated reason of ‘pancakes’. > > Yes.. My clever and devious scum plan was to deceive you all with my delicious sugary treats. MWHAHAHAHA!! > > Yes, my vote on Orthohedron was random. But this is day one. I like to put out a pressure vote here and there. The lack of response however is enough to leave my vote there (given that I have more than one this time). > > However, my joke vote apparently also was a weak excuse for lazy players to put down a vote. And if there’s one thing scum loves - it’s lazy votes. Chucara votes for Babale because Babale placed a “lazy” vote on Chucara. Babale voted for Chucara because Chucara placed a meaningless (lazy?) vote on Ortho. Hilarity (for me) ensues. Defense continues… > [@Chucara](#): > > - Based on my ‘pancakes’ vote. Please tell me how the brilliant plan of voting with a reason of ‘pancakes’ would possibly be a viable scum ploy? What possible scum motivation could there be behind as idiotic a reason as ‘pancakes’. Too strong a defense of an admittedly useless vote. Scum absolutely do not always make perfect, carefully considered cases. In fact, one of the best ways for scum to hide is to act in ways that make players say “scum wouldn’t do that.” So Chucara has an incredibly weak vote that he absolutely refuses to take ownership of, defends overly-strongly, and attacks people for questioning it. -fine with Ortho’s vote for Chucara in 434 Feeling: Strong lean scum on Chucara. **Vote Chucara.** * * * **Askthepizzaguy** -His vote on Red is meaningless, yet his own plan involves staying on your phase 1 votes (post 215) > [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > However, if my nomination gains traction and let’s say, Red Skeezix becomes one of the top lynch candidates for today, I should be encouraged to put my money where my mouth is and make sure my vote stays on that person. I nominated him, after all > > […] > > In this game in particular, you should only unvote your nominee if you have completely eliminated them as a suspect somehow during the round. This bothers me, because again, the vote on Red Skeezix started out as a **completely meaningless vote** , yet Pizza will absolutely stay true to it in a tie. That’s a way of ducking responsibility for the vote. “Hey, he was my nomination. Had to see it through.” -I’m not feeling Choie’s vote on Pizza in 312 for forgetting her on a list -agree with TexCat’s vote for piling on ortho -agree with Silver Jan’s vote for poorly-justified vote -full agreement with Babale’s vote for Pizza in 367 Feeling: Moderate scum lean on Pizza. **Vote Askthepizzaguy.** * * * **Babale** -not feeling a Babale lynch, his stalker stuff rings townie -disagree with gnarly’s vote for Babale in 373, but gnarly feels town to me -response to Chucara feels townie to me, 424 Feeling: slight town lean. * * * **Johnny Bravo** -I choose not to vote newbies on Day 1, first of all -some of the cases are somewhat sound, but can be explained by newbieness. Feeling: Pretty neutral. Not willing to vote for a Bravo lynch. * * * Orthohedron -I choose not to vote newbies -Chucara’s vote for Ortho is meaningless -Pizza’s vote for Ortho is a gut feel and poorly explained in 328, so I don’t agreee Feeling: neutral on Orthohedron, not willing to vote to lynch today. * * * **Cookies** -post 266 feels very townie to me -townie feel for her votes on Stanislaus, RyJae, Wombat for questioning Babale -okay with stanislaus’ vote on Cookies in 352 -not understanding Meeko’s vote in 472 Feeling: slight town lean * * * **Fubbleskag** -no gut feel at all. Nothing stood out to me. Hmmm… Feeling: slightest of scum leans for lack of gut feel. Not worth voting for. * * * **Red Skeezix** -not willing lynch over strategy disagreement re: multivotes -though to be fair, I understand why others are voting for him Feeling: neutral. * * * **RyJae** > [@RyJae](#): > > Skimming is a scum tell but I skim a lot so I don’t really believe that. Every game I have played as vanilla town I skimmed quite a bit. Paid much closer attention when the role was a power role or scum/independent. > > I mention this because I got all tingly when I read Babales post and went back (which on my phone is a tad harder to do and dangit all Texcat did it a few posts down anyway) and confirmed the mods message on barn messages. - agree with Guiri, I’d lynch for this post -leaning slight scum for 466, lots of explanation for why he’s casting a vote that doesn’t affect anyone in the running at all -I understand and like pizza’s vote for RyJae in 505 Feeling: slight scum **Vote RyJae.** * * * **LightFoot** > [@LightFoot](#): > > To get my ball rolling > > \*\*Vote Chucara > \*\* > For chiming in on a current point of discussion without having the background of what had already been discussed on the subject > > [subtext] posting “Hello I’m here- what’s the haps”- is acceptable.. posting “ this is my opinion on subject A “ \* while disregarding what had already been said about subject A \* is suspect to me [/subtext] This is exactly why I voted LightFoot. She objected, but uses the same reasoning on someone else? Feeling: neutral, but keeping an eye on LightFoot. * * * > [@storyteller0910](#): > > **The Barn is only so big.** Your message may not exceed 10 words. > [@storyteller0910](#): > > **Then all the messages will appear on the Barn. It’s a big barn.** Story can’t keep his (heh) story straight. He’s clearly hiding something. Lynch Storyteller? ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2013, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/515 "2013-01-27T22:18:50Z")
I should also note, I no longer wish to lynch USCDiver. **Unvote USCDiver.** ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2013, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/516 "2013-01-27T23:10:21Z")
I should note that sticking with my vote is the exact opposite of ducking responsibility for it. If you want to lynch a townie, at least get your facts straight. That way you can lose with competence. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2013, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/517 "2013-01-27T23:35:31Z")
> [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > I should note that sticking with my vote is the exact opposite of ducking responsibility for it. > > If you want to lynch a townie, at least get your facts straight. That way you can lose with competence. That is exactly my point. It’s a meaningless vote that you don’t sincerely think is likely to net scum. _You call it reasonless in your own vote._ Why are you so proud to be sticking with and “taking responsibility” for this vote? ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2013, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/518 "2013-01-27T23:41:33Z")
\*\* Astral \*\* it might be the beer I had with lunch but I’m not tracking what you are saying about me? ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2013, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/519 "2013-01-28T00:05:13Z")
Vote Count as at post 518. Seven votes[ul][li]Chucara : LightFoot (300), Texcat (334), Mahaloth (337), Silver Jan (351), fubbleskag (361), [del]Babale (+367) (-453)[/del], Orthohedron (434), Astral Rejection (514)[/ul][/li] Six votes[ul][li]ATPG : Choie (312), Texcat (334), Silver Jan (351), [del]Babale (+367), (-426)[/del], Johnny Bravo (392), [del]Meeko (+436), (-472)[/del], RyJae (508), Astral Rejection (514)[/ul][/li] Four votes[ul][li]RyJae : guiri (220), [del]Mahaloth (231), (337)[/del], DarkCookies (301 ), ATPG (505), Astral Rejection (514)[/ul][/li] Three votes[ul][li]Babale : Stanislaus (236), Suburban Plankton (369), Gnarlycharlie (373), [del]Chucara (+422), (-427)[/del][/li][li]Johnny Bravo : USCDiver (289), ATPG (389), Mahaloth (407)[/li][li]Orthohedron : DiggitCamara (244), Chucara (327), ATPG (328)[/ul][/li] Two votes[ul][li]Dark Cookies : Stanislaus (352), Meeko (472)[/li][li]fubbleskag : Dizzymrslizzy (439), Meeko (493)[/li][li]Red Skeezix : ATPG (215), Enderw24 (233)[/li][/ul] One vote[ul][li]Choie : guiri (220)[/li][li]DiggitCamara : Texcat (334)[/li][li]Enderw24 : Red Skeezix (345)[/li][li]guiri : Choie (332), [del]fubbleskag (+361), (-445)[/del][/li][li]Mahaloth : Wombat99 (238)[/li][li]Pleonast : Johnny Bravo (225), [del]Meeko (+436), (-472)[/del][/li][li]Stanislaus : DarkCookies (301)[/li][li]Val Salva : RyJae (466)[/li][li]Wombat99 : [del]Orthohedron (+284), (-434)[/del], DarkCookies (301)[/ul][/li] Zero votes[ul][li]LightFoot : [del]Astral Rejection (+229), (-252)[/del][/li][li]USCDiver : [del]Astral Rejection (+229) (-515)[/del], [del]fubbleskag (+361), (-445)[/del][/ul][/li]This comes with the usual caveats re compiler’s error. If you see any errors or omissions, just point them out and they will be corrected. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2013, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/520 "2013-01-28T01:21:12Z")
I know that this is extremely unlikely since we all have multiple votes, but what happens in the event of a tie at the end of the day? edit: Never mind - found it in the rules. No lynch. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635.md?page=25) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635.md?page=27)