# Mafia - Game in progress \[Edited title\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [January 9, 2013, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635 "2013-01-09T16:03:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 28
**Author:** ![Dizzymrslizzy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Dizzymrslizzy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dizzymrslizzy)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2013, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/541 "2013-01-28T17:26:52Z")
> [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](#): > > Do you find anything I’ve done as particularly scummy, Dizzy? Do you find Meeko’s or Santislaus’ cases against me compelling? Call me crazy, but lack of a compelling case is usually why people don’t feel inclined to vote for someone. I’m responding as reading, so I don’t know where this has gone if anywhere, but to answer your question… No I don’t find anything YOU did as Scummy. I find Pizza’s Comment: “Vote anyone except for Cookies” very WIFOM, and I just want to know why he singled you out. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2013, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/542 "2013-01-28T18:29:45Z")
Meeko isn’t voting for me because of Pizza’s post where he advocated not voting for me. His vote was made prior to that satement. As best I can tell, Meeko is voting for me because he thinks I hate Vanilla townies. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2013, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/543 "2013-01-28T18:40:47Z")
Fair enough. ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2013, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/544 "2013-01-28T18:47:45Z")
> [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > It’s Day One and taking shots in the dark is how Day One is played. > > Coming up with phony baloney reasoning for votes is borderline. I realize people think it’s meaningful at all to have reasons for votes, but here, let me show you something. > > \ > > I like to make cases, you know that. But there’s little to analyze D1 so, why are we so interested in the phony baloney cases? It’s not needed or necessary this early. > > I’m still interested in voting because as that game and many others prove, you can lynch scums D1 and you can do it with very few votes and you can do it without any reasoning whatsoever. Um, this is ridiculous **Pizza** , you’re saying that Day 1 and Day 2 we should just vote, but not make any kind of case because the cases don’t matter. You reason that this is a good idea because it worked for you in previous games. So when should we start making cases? What should we base those cases on since everything from Day 1 and Day 2 is worthless? I might as well just vote for everyone else at the beginning of Day 1 since the cases don’t matter. In fact this post is so much fucking horseshit I can’t help but **unvote Johnny Bravo** **Vote Askthepizzaguy** ---
**Author:** ![Stanislaus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stanislaus/32/3391_2.png) [@Stanislaus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stanislaus)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2013, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/545 "2013-01-28T20:14:14Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > Stanislaus, your vote likely won’t count. It needs some formatting love. Good point. And don’t call me “love”. **vote Ryjae** ---
**Author:** ![Dizzymrslizzy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Dizzymrslizzy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dizzymrslizzy)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2013, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/546 "2013-01-28T20:18:21Z")
I have to say the more I keep reading about the Pizza situation, the more He pings me…And the fact that he didn’t answer my question about Why Cookies, and no one else… \*\*Vote: ATPG \*\* ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2013, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/547 "2013-01-28T20:31:58Z")
Howdy folks! I’m recovered (mostly) from being sick over the end of the week and the weekend. I’ve finally gotten caught up and am ready to respond to a number of posts from the last 3 days… > [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](#): > > I believe that was me who said that, and we only know that Story is cherry picking actual current votes for his votecounts now that we’ve actually had an official vote count. I was being optimistic that his vote counts, as they are in many games, would track unvotes as well, but I see he’d rather throw a grenade into a room full of paranoid people instead. 😛 I do have a list of all votes and unvotes (which is at least mostly correct), and can post it if there’s interest. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2013, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/548 "2013-01-28T20:37:21Z")
MHaye’s tallies (most recently at [519](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15944022&postcount=519)) show both votes and unvotes. I’m always interested in seeing updated counts, though, so feel free to post your own. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2013, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/549 "2013-01-28T20:39:51Z")
> [@RyJae](#): > > So yeah this is booger flying your way vote 😛 > > [COLOR=“Yellow”]flick boogie @ Cometothedarksidewehavecookies[/COLOR] > > And for my lurk vote > > **vote Val Salva** > Really nothing to go on Day 1 at all. We have to vote for someone because it is the way to play, I don’t really understand why but it is. To explain that a bit, how many times does a scum actually slip up Day 1? I imagine not that often the only thing we can do in a game is go back over actions and see the words as they were wrote after a town dies knowing they were truthful. > We have a better than not chance of hitting town Day 1 lynch, the scum have a much better chance nailing a townie Night 1. What benefit does the Day 1 lynch have again? We end up most likely with 2 dead town and a lil’ extra information based on nothing more than what the scum dictated. (Based on them trying to take out “power players”) > > Day 2 and on then we have more information, but yeah Day 1 voting and calling someone scum is not a good plan in my opinion. > > So getting back to that calling people scum Day 1 point… GuiriEnEspaña had me bothered after > > and not removing the vote. But meh, doesn’t really matter as Day 1 is just trying to throw anything into the soup pan to call dinner. But his vicious scum calls on chloie makes me think he is town based on my own past plays\*. So as much as I would love to throw a vote as a in yo face, I cannot. > > Really, nothing at all has pinged me yet, and I refuse to vote for no reason this time around at least with a lurker I have a reason. > > - I still regret a few times, yes more than once I latched onto someone who turned out to be a townie like a pitbull and was ashamed at the reveal. Yeah, there’s really no point to Day 1. We have no chance of doing anything positive, so why should we even try? Day 1 should really be 20 minutes long, and the first player to get to 1 vote should be lynched. Then we can get on with Day 2, when we actually know something. \*\*vote RyJae \*\* ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2013, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/550 "2013-01-28T20:42:32Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > I should also note, I no longer wish to lynch USCDiver. > > **Unvote USCDiver.** Why? > [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > They’re not different. A vote is a nomination, since we’re “nominating” people for the lynch. I just wanted a clear way to distinguish between people who had nominated but NOT voted. I disagree; they are very different. A vote carries weight. People with votes are in danger of being lynched. A nomination means nothing. It’s simply an FOS with a different name. Someone who has nomintated but not voted has done nothing of substance. Someone who has been nominated but not voted for is in no danger whatsoever (lynch-wise). ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2013, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/551 "2013-01-28T20:47:06Z")
It sounds like you’re both saying kinda the same thing? Vis a vis > [@Astral Rejection](#): > > I just wanted a clear way to distinguish between people who had nominated but NOT voted. and > [@Suburban Plankton](#): > > Someone who has nomintated but not voted has done nothing of substance. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2013, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/552 "2013-01-28T20:47:33Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > Why? I no longer am pinged by UCSDiver; thus, no vote. I believe Chucara, Pizza, and RyJae to be better Day 1 targets. > [@](#): > > I disagree; they are very different. > > A vote carries weight. People with votes are in danger of being lynched. > > A nomination means nothing. It’s simply an FOS with a different name. > > Someone who has nomintated but not voted has done nothing of substance. Someone who has been nominated but not voted for is in no danger whatsoever (lynch-wise). I wholeheartedly agree _if I wasn’t trying out Pizza’s plan._ As the nomination phase leads into the following phases, a nomination records a “likely” vote, and absolutely represents some lynch danger. As I mentioned to Choie, all votes are nominations but not all nominations are votes, and I tracked them accordingly. ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2013, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/553 "2013-01-28T21:25:33Z")
Well, my suspicions continue of choie, and by association texcat and silver. Nothing from choie in 4 days, Silver and Texcat seem quite protective of her [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15939234&postcount=479) and [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15935001&postcount=433), Texcat’s complimentary [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15935108&postcount=435). I won’t comment further on choie- she’s given nothing more to comment on and if no-one else is seeing what I’m seeing, I’ll need to just move on for now. SilverJan: #138 Confirms #232 Brief comment on Pizza plan, thinks scum will have early advantage #279 Doesn’t like baseless nominations or editing #280 Joke-y comment to Pizza #282 Fluff-y comment to Texcat, likes her links #351 Votes Chucara for his unaccountable vote, pizza for vote on Red, thanks choie for the compliment #478 To me, explains how a vote can have no accountability, still likes vote on Chucara, asks Chucara why he thinks scum would jump to vote him. This question just feels weird, don’t know what it is about it: > [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > **Chucara** , why, in particular would you think that scum would jump at the chance to vote for you? Don’t you think that you gave Town a reason to think you look scummy? #479 Asks me why I’m voting choie #480 Dislikes lynch the lurker - No smoking gun,generally quite quiet, a post that feels weird to me, the interactions between choie, texcat and silver, an “off” feeling Texcat: #123 Confirmed #181 To Babale, quotes moderator re: stalker, doesn’t seem to like multi-vote, comment on issues with pizza plan #185 Repeats previous comment on stalker #241 Posts list of links #334 Dislikes votes on Ortho, votes Diggit, Chucara and Pizza for their votes #433 To pizza, lurking seems to work, defends vote to chucara - opportunism on a newbie, comments on me/choie #435 To Silver, explains how to maintain list of posts, quotes choie’s comments on several players noting its accuracy #503 Summarizes fubblegate, is content with votes, disinclined to vote a noob - She’s here, playing along, being useful but distant, clinical, meh **Vote SilverJan Vote Texcat** ---
**Author:** ![Chucara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Chucara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chucara)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2013, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/554 "2013-01-28T21:34:21Z")
Ok, back from a wasted weekend, but thankfully the pressure is a bit off at work. However seeing as you seem awfully intent on killing me over pancakes, I’ll just state what I think so far: - Over pancakes? - I know your top lynch candidate is wrong, and I am quite convinced Pizza is town as well. I simply don’t see why on earth he would defend me (and so elaborately) as scum. If I’m wrong, sorry. I assume he is trying to save me because he knows how mindbogglingly awesome a mafia player I am, and that he is also town and would like to win. - Pancakes - seriously? 😛 - I will leave my vote on Orthohedron as my gut tells me he is slightly more likely than average to be scum. If you prefer, I vote him because of ‘syrup’, that’s why. Can’t have pancakes without syrup. Or at the very least jam. - Right now - if we weren’t trying out Pizza’s plan ™. I’d vote those people with the least participation. But as I can’t figure out an easy way to make a post count on a single thread (excluding sign-ups) and that I’m likely to be out of the game soon, I won’t out of sheer laziness. It seems to me that where town almost always goes wrong on day one is to lynch those who participate the most, giving scum ample hiding room. I strongly believe that in this game, it is a solid strategy to encourage (by the sword) participation. It’s been a loooong while since I last played scum, but as I recall, any minor even (even a single random vote) can send the scum board buzzing, thereby putting pressure on them. Get a bandwagon starting on scum and they will be pondering whether or not to come to the aid of their mate, whether to vote for him/her, or whether to try to ignore the issue. TL;DR Please pick another target than ATPG. We are by my persuasion (if not, take that as a compliment, Pizza) both town. At least try to get some info by finding a slightly more likely scum candidate. My best bet is Ortho., but on D1, it stays a guess. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2013, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/555 "2013-01-28T21:59:36Z")
I think, though I could be wrong, that RyJae is leading the lynch vote? ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2013, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/556 "2013-01-28T22:17:37Z")
I have it: **Askthepizzaguy (9)**: choie (312), TexCat (334), Silver Jan (354), [del]Babale (367-426)[/del], Johnny Bravo (392), [del]Meeko (436-472)[/del], RyJae (408), Astral Rejection (514), orthohedron (524), USCDiver (544), Dizzymrslizzy (546) **Chucara (7)**: LightFoot (300), TexCat (334), Mahaloth (337), Silver Jan (351), fubbleskag (361), [del]Babale (367-453)[/del], orthohedron (434), Astral Rejection (514) **RyJae (6)**: GuiriEnEspana (220), [del]Mahaloth (231-337)[/del], Cookies (301), Askthepizzaguy (505), Astral Rejection (514), Stanislaus (545), Suburban Plankton (549) **Babale (3)**: Stanislaus (236), Suburban Plankton (369), gnarlycharlie (373), [del]Chucara (422-427)[/del] **orthohedron (3)**: DiggitCamara (244), Chucara (327), Askthepizzaguy (328) I’m still undecided on Pizza. On the one hand, I feel like he’s a Scummy Pizza, deftly trying to steer the Town in exactly the direction he wants, for his and his cohorts’ nefarious purposes. On the other hand, I think he might be a Townie Pizza, skillfully attempting to steer the Town in exactly the direction he wants, for our collective own good. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2013, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/557 "2013-01-28T22:27:51Z")
Replying as I read, to speed this up. > [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > I didn’t mean to imply otherwise. Yes, I wasn’t necessarily disagreeing with you, but I wanted emphasis what action should be taken when with respect to lurkers. > [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > Waiting until tomorrow to begin lynching is the same thing as beginning the game with (at least) two less townies, but the same amount of scums. Whence comes “(at least) two less townies”? Unless I missed something in the rules, we have no information about the number of players who are likely to be killed at Night. **pizza** ’s comment looks like a privileged information slip. **vote Askthepizzaguy** for a privileged information slip. > [@RyJae](#): > > Go for it ATPG I am vanilla town, as I tried to make clear. I realllllly don’t like how you’re trying to guide this hunt though. So for my vote on scum chance not lurker it will have to be you. > > **vote askthepizzaguy** > > Other than that, if I do not survive the Day I can only hope the town doesn’t allow any verbose people to guide the rest of town. If I do survive the Day then toMorrow I and others will have more information to go on to make a more informed choice. Can you explain your reasons for your vote better? It seems to me that your vote is based on **pizza** actively playing. We need more active players, not fewer. **vote RyJae** for voting a player who’s too “verbose”. > [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > The end result should be a clear leader with at least a couple votes more than the second place candidate to prevent vote shifting to save any actual scumbags. I think is this a poor tactic. Unless we’re at lynch or lose, it’s no great loss to let someone shift votes to save scum. Because we’ll see the shenanigans and be able to react to it. > [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > Can you point out any instance of my behavior as an attempt to avoid heat, or at any point where I gained votes did I make a more concerted effort to get you lynched than before? > > I mean, from where I sit, you’re just making stuff up. Perhaps you can refer to my specific posts in question when you make such an allegation of deflecting heat. > > It’s not really my style. I tend to absorb rather than deflect heat. I have no complaints about this post, in itself. But just a few posts ago: > [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > Reasons are customary but also unnecessary. Particularly D1 or D2, where I lynched scums without any bullshit reasoning attached. > > I like to make cases, you know that. But there’s little to analyze D1 so, why are we so interested in the phony baloney cases? It’s not needed or necessary this early. > > I’m still interested in voting because as that game and many others prove, you can lynch scums D1 and you can do it with very few votes and you can do it without any reasoning whatsoever. Does this not apply to votes on you? Why do you demand **ortho** defend their vote on you? ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Note, I feel more strongly about my vote on **pizza** than **RyJae** , but I’m happy to lynch either one. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2013, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/558 "2013-01-28T22:41:31Z")
[quote=“Pleonast, post:557, topic:646635”] Whence comes “(at least) two less townies”? Unless I missed something in the rules, we have no information about the number of players who are likely to be killed at Night. **pizza** ’s comment looks like a privileged information slip./QUOTE] I think in this case, Pizza means 1 lynch and 1 night kill (and thus two bodies), and brainfarted that he was postulating a lynch-less Day. That’s easier for me to believe than a slip. But since he’s currently our lynch, that distinction doesn’t much matter. I’d like him dead for other reasons. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Chucara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Chucara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chucara)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2013, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/559 "2013-01-28T22:45:47Z")
**Pleonast** : we were told this was a fairly basic game of mafia. Assuming one lynch and one night kill (or more) is not privileged information. I seriously think we are making a mistake here. I think Pizza is being genuinely helpful. I think he is simply somewhat excited to see us actually trying out his idea. I agree that this does make him seem like he is steering us in the right/wrong direction, but I don’t believe this to be the case. **RyJae** Of the top three candiates, RyJae is the only one I think has a chance of being scum. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2013, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/560 "2013-01-28T22:53:40Z")
> [@Chucara](#): > > **Pleonast** : we were told this was a fairly basic game of mafia. Assuming one lynch and one night kill (or more) is not privileged information. Now to defend the other side! Pizza said after a no-lynch day, there would be TWO dead townies. That’s what Pleonast is commenting on. If we don’t lynch, and Pizza has slipped, that means scum can (at least once) perform two night kills, or know of another kill such as third party. Or, like in Evil Dead 2, they have a teammate who must kill tonight to join their scum boards. That would be two kills right there. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635.md?page=27) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635.md?page=29)