# Mafia - Game in progress \[Edited title\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [January 9, 2013, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635 "2013-01-09T16:03:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 32
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2013, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/621 "2013-01-30T17:12:42Z")
I disagree with Mahaloth on one point, and it’s an important one. I do not believe most people are lynching Pizza for the plan. Speaking only for myself, my vote is cast for his actions while following the plan, which I believe suggest some level of scummyness. I’ve been questioning, probing, and studying Pizza all Day, and to sum up my vote as “doesn’t like the pizza plan” does me a disservice. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2013, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/622 "2013-01-30T17:13:54Z")
Ender, rather. I disagree with Ender. I’ve got Mahaloth on the brain, as he and I play letterpress together. Which, incidentally, you all should download and join in, too! ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2013, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/623 "2013-01-30T17:21:26Z")
The vote is currently \*\*Askthepizzaguy \*\*- 10 \*\*Chucara \*\*- 9 Remember, in the event of a tie, the result is **No Lynch**. We should not let that happen. I must admit that I’m just plain unsure about Pizza. I think it’s clear that he’s trying to influence the Town’s decision-making process with the PizzaPlan, but I don’t know if that’s because he’s Scum, or if it’s just his natural tendency to try to take over. I really have no good read one way or the other, though I must admit that this post really bugged me: > [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > I’m going to be lynched anyway, so I’m not at a point where I’m attempting to change minds. Most minds won’t change. > > I’m just pointing out the errors so they might not be repeated. That was Monday evening, and we haven’t heard a peep from him since. It’s not like Pizza to be that quiet for so long, and it seems that a Townie Pizza wouldn’t ‘give up’ like that. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2013, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/624 "2013-01-30T17:24:30Z")
**Unvote Chucara** Made up my mind. I’d like to see Pizza swing today. Chucara, maybe toMorrow. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2013, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/625 "2013-01-30T17:33:01Z")
> [@USCDiver](#): > > You know what? You’re right. This distinction is one which I don’t think I had ever really fully grokked and it has made me go back and reassess \*why \*\*\*pizza \*\*might be putting forth such unusual and potentially detrimental ideas, not just that he has done so. > > Seems to me his policy of allowing poorly reasoned votes on Day 1 is a good way for Scum to avoid accountability for those votes both now and in the future. I know he’s tried to argue that the vote itself provided accountability but this is just not true. If we look back at the votes from Day 1 in the future and try to ascertain whether some votes were based on knowledge of who is Town and which were true stabs in the dark, the reasoning behind the vote is going to be much important than the vote itself. > > As such I remain comfortable where my vote is. You need to address more about why **pizza** is scum, not why their idea is scummy. But your response makes me feel better about you. **unvote USCDiver** > [@Chucara](#): > > Warning: Drive by voting. (I’m at work) > > Given that there is just one vote seperating myself and Pizza - I have no choice but to vote for Pizza. I don’t **think** he is scum, but I **know** I am not. > > [vote]Askthepizzaguy[/vote] > > Sorry pizza if you are town. > > Should pizza happen to be a power role, I will gladly take his place if needed, unvote pizza, and vote myself. > > When is deadline? (I know it’s 2 PM, but which time zone) There’s always a choice. **vote Chucara** for voting without explaining why they think they’re voting for scum. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2013, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/626 "2013-01-30T17:53:38Z")
**Day ends at 2:00PM Eastern Time, which is in one hour and seven minutes. Any votes placed after this time will not count, and the vote leader will be lynched. If there is no vote leader, there will be no lynch.** ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2013, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/627 "2013-01-30T17:53:48Z")
YMMV, but I don’t find self-defense votes worthy of a vote. Town do it in equal proportions to scum, in my opinion. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2013, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/628 "2013-01-30T17:57:46Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > You need to address more about why **pizza** is scum, not why their idea is scummy. But your response makes me feel better about you. > **unvote USCDiver** > > There’s always a choice. > **vote Chucara** > for voting without explaining why they think they’re voting for scum. It seems pretty clear to me that he’s voting in self defense, and he’s hardly the first mafia player to use that justification. Whether or not that is a good idea on Day 1 vs something like Day 8 is up for debate though. I don’t think he’s going to talk anyone out of suspecting him that way, but I think it is a null tell as far as adding _more_ suspicion to him. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2013, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/629 "2013-01-30T17:58:09Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > **vote Chucara** > for voting without explaining why they think they’re voting for scum. He explained it; it’s a self-preservation vote, pure and simple. And I can’t imagine you didn’t catch that. **vote Pleonast** **vote Askthepizzaguy** the former because I think he’s trying to save the latter. I’m off to a meeting in 2 minutes, and will probably not be back before EoD. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2013, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/630 "2013-01-30T17:58:46Z")
Ninja’d by Astral. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2013, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/631 "2013-01-30T17:59:28Z")
I guess if I’m going to go in at this point, I ought to go all in **unvote Chucara** ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2013, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/632 "2013-01-30T18:08:32Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > He explained it; it’s a self-preservation vote, pure and simple. > > And I can’t imagine you didn’t catch that. > > **vote Pleonast** > **vote Askthepizzaguy** > > the former because I think he’s trying to save the latter. > > I’m off to a meeting in 2 minutes, and will probably not be back before EoD. No, **Chucara** did not explain why they’re voting for scum. In fact they said “I don’t think he is scum”. Townies do not vote for players they don’t think are scum. And voting to save oneself is not pro-town, unless one has a power role. Did I miss a claim? Note that if I wanted to save **pizza** from the lynch, I’d remove my vote from them. I was happy with a **pizza** (or **RyJae** ) lynch, and because of **Chucara** ’s admittedly anti-town vote, I’m happy to lynch them as well. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2013, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/633 "2013-01-30T18:09:42Z")
DAY ONE VOTE COUNT – WEDNESDAY 1/30 – 1 HOUR TO DEADLINE 12 Votes [ul][li] **Askthepizzaguy** – choie (312), Texcat (334), Silver Jan (351), Johnny Bravo (392), Ryjae (508), Astral Rejection (514), orthohedron (524), USCDiver (544), Dizzymrslizzy (546), Pleonast (557), Chucara (615), Suburban Plankton (629)[/ul][/li] 9 Votes [ul][li] **Chucara** – Lightfoot (300), Texcat (334), Mahaloth (337), Silver Jan (351), fubbleskag (361), orthohedron (434), wombat99 (612), RedSkeezix (619), Pleonast (625)[/ul][/li] 6 Votes [ul][li] **Ryjae** - GuiriEnEspana (220), Cookies (301), Askthepizzaguy (505), Suburban Plankton (549), Pleonast (557), Chucara (559)[/ul][/li] 5 Votes [ul][li] **Babale** – Stanislaus (236), Suburban Plankton (369), gnarlycharly (373), wombat99 (612), RedSkeezix (619) [/ul][/li] 3 Votes [ul][li] **orthohedron** – DiggitCamara (244), Chucara (327), Askthepizzaguy (328)[/ul][/li] 2 Votes [ul][li] **Johnny Bravo** –Askthepizzaguy (389), Mahaloth (407)[/li][li] **fubbleskag** – Dizzymrslizzy (439), Meeko (493)[/li][li] **RedSkeezix** - Askthepizzaguy (215), Enderw24 (233)[/li][li] **GuiriEnEspana** – choie (332), Texcat (583)[/ul][/li] 1 Vote [ul][li] **choie** - GuiriEnEspana (220)[/li][li] **Mahaloth** – wombat99 (238)[/li][li] **Enderw24** – RedSkeezix (245)[/li][li] **wombat99** – Cookies (301)[/li][li] **Stanislaus** – Cookies (301)[/li][li] **DiggitCamara** – Texcat (334)[/li][li] **Val Salva** – RyJae (466)[/li][li] **Silver Jan** – GuiriEnEspana (553)[/li][li] **texcat** - GuiriEnEspana (553)[/li] **Cookies** –Meeko (472)[/ul] ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2013, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/634 "2013-01-30T18:11:41Z")
You just can’t get votes on **Pleonast** right, can you? ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2013, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/635 "2013-01-30T18:16:53Z")
I’ve got the count now 12-8 **pizza** over \*\*Chucura]. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2013, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/636 "2013-01-30T18:25:53Z")
> [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](#): > > Ninja’d by Astral. 😛 You did it better. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2013, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/637 "2013-01-30T18:25:58Z")
> [@USCDiver](#): > > I’ve got the count now 12-8 **pizza** over \*\*Chucura]. Chucara – Lightfoot (300), Texcat (334), Mahaloth (337), Silver Jan (351), fubbleskag (361), orthohedron (434), wombat99 (612), RedSkeezix (619), Pleonast (625) Which of those votes has been unvoted? The only difference between **story** ’s and my vote counts is **Sub** ’s vote on **Pleo** in post 629. ---
**Author:** ![Chucara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Chucara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chucara)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2013, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/638 "2013-01-30T18:47:05Z")
Just to reiterate in case I die: I know I’m town. I think Pizza is also town, but I’m obviously not sure. It makes perfect sense for me to push pizza to the gallows over me, as there at the very least is a chance I’m reading him wrong and he might be scum. Since he hasn’t claimed, I’m assuming he is also vanilla. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2013, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/639 "2013-01-30T18:51:40Z")
Didn’t Pizza claim vanilla? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2013, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/640 "2013-01-30T18:53:04Z")
He claimed vanilla in post 507. > [@](#): > > \*\*Askthepizzaguy \*\*is townie. I will not vote to spare myself this game due to being vanilla townie, the alternative might be a town power role. So my role is no more useful than any other, and as such, it’s not wise to vote for someone just to save me. Not worth saving. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635.md?page=31) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635.md?page=33)