# Mafia - Game in progress \[Edited title\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [January 9, 2013, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635 "2013-01-09T16:03:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 36
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2013, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/701 "2013-02-02T03:18:11Z")
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagggggggh! So due to factors outside the control of management, Dawn of Day Two is delayed until tomorrow morning. We apologize for any inconvenience, but urge the participants to take advantage of the many fine dining establishments located on the second floor of the shopping mall that will occupy the same spot as this village in 500 years. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2013, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/702 "2013-02-02T03:20:06Z")
> [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](#): > > We’re going to have to put our pitch forks and torches down and to into search party mode. Tell you what - I’ll just hold onto your weapon and lightsource while you wander off into the woods. ---
**Author:** ![Dizzymrslizzy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Dizzymrslizzy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dizzymrslizzy)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2013, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/703 "2013-02-02T03:31:49Z")
Should we send out the dogs to find him? ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2013, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/704 "2013-02-02T03:32:26Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > Tell you what - I’ll just hold onto your weapon and lightsource while you wander off into the woods. snicker ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2013, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/705 "2013-02-02T03:33:56Z")
> [@Dizzymrslizzy](#): > > Should we send out the dogs to find him? SO-- YOU are going to let the dogs out? at least that question will be answered then ---
**Author:** ![Dizzymrslizzy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Dizzymrslizzy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dizzymrslizzy)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2013, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/706 "2013-02-02T13:37:06Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > SO-- YOU are going to let the dogs out? > at least that question will be answered then Oh dear no…I’m deathly allergic to dogs! LOL ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2013, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/707 "2013-02-02T13:50:23Z")
Dawn, Day Two _EXT: Overlooking the Town. LONG SHOT – the sun rising over the old barn. The camera closes slowly on the barn as Danny Elfman-ripoff music, ominous yet playful, plays. By and by we see a message painted at the top of the barn in white paint._ It says this: **”The Serial Killer will win if not dead. –- The Butcher"** _After a pause, the camera slides down. Another message is here, this one scrawled in a different shade of paint._ **"OWT – Let’s reveal ourselves – TTW Discuss!"** _The final message is at the bottom. A distinctly different hand has written:_ **"the wolf’s cannot kill the Serial killer."** _The camera pans down to the base of the barn, where a raven sits, picking at some unidentifiable carcass. It glances once at the camera, croaks balefully, and flies off – right over the heads of the gathered throng, who stare up at the barn._ RYJAE What does it mean? COOKIES Are we in danger? STANISLAUS Where did someone find blue paint in medieval Craptown? VAL SALVA _Says nothing, because she’s dead._ **Val Salva,** a Peasant Redshirt, has been Night killed. ASTRAL REJECTION Look, over there, it’s another one! _The crowd hurries over to a small cottage near the tavern. Outside there is a heavy wooden table, and the remnants of a sheep, quite dead, sit upon it. Slumped against the table is what’s left of a large, sweaty man in a white, stained apron. Clutched between his fingers is a very large knife, with blood clotted and dried along the blade._ **Pleonast** , who was the Butcher, a Town Vigilante, has also been Night killed. _FADE TO: The center of Town, some time later. The group gathers, and calls roll. One by one we hear them, some nervous, some determined, some sleepy, call out “present.” After it is done:_ BABALE Right, that’s everyone. ENDERW24 25 strong. JOHNNY BRAVO Wait – 25? We started with 27. ENDER24 Yes. JOHNNY BRAVO And three have died. ENDERW24 Right. JOHNNY BRAVO And 27 minus three is… is… _A long pause, as they count it out on their fingers. Then:_ ENDER24 Twenty four! LIGHTFOOT So who’s the extra? _From off, a voice, surprisingly chipper, all things considered._ ASKTHEPIZZAGUY That’d be me! _The camera pans over to **Askthepizzaguy** , indisputably dead but surprisingly chatty. His flesh is gray. His face is scaly, and his eyes bulge. Where one there were teeth now sit two rows of sharp debris. He wears a T-shirt that says “Team Town.” He grins – it’s horrific._ ASKTHEPIZZAGUY So can we talk about my plan? _His left thumb falls off. Fade to black._ * * * Day Two begins here, and will end on Thursday, February 7, at 2:00PM EST. **Askthepizzaguy** has returned to the game, in a manner of speaking. He cannot vote (well, he CAN, but it won’t be counted), or be voted for. He doesn’t count toward any win condition. He has no Night or Day actions. He _is_ permitted to speak freely and participate in discussion, as he desires. If you have to ask whether you can target him with a Night action, you can’t. Pleo, I swear I didn’t copy you on this 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2013, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/708 "2013-02-02T15:05:18Z")
Well written, **storyteller**. Of course the scariest thing was the Danny Elfman music. I’m really curious to know if **pizza** ’s return is some kind of mod sop to **pizza** ’s ego, or if all townies are going to be zombified and get to participate if we’re lynched unfairly. 'Cause if it’s just a **pizza** thing because he’s **pizza** , that’s kind of… well, unfair. I’m glad to have him back on our side, as long as he doesn’t distract, but why not **Val** or especially **Pleo**? (Although **Pleo** probably wouldn’t be zombified considering he was a power role. A fact he basically outted by himself with his first freaking post. Smooth move, Francis. Sigh.) Now to the barn notes. _”The Serial Killer will win if not dead. –- The Butcher"_ So **Pleonast** thought, or knew, that there might be a Serial Killer? Is that usual for Vigilantes? I thought they just took potshots blindly rather than having any investigative skills? Or was he posting this to fake out the scum? The last note seems to indicate otherwise. _“OWT – Let’s reveal ourselves – TTW Discuss!”_ Not a freakin’ clue. I’ve looked at the player list and I can’t see any usernames that could match these initial codes. But I’m probably way too thick to guess it, and anyway it’s almost certainly not aimed at me. _“the wolf’s cannot kill the Serial killer.”_ Finally!! A real clue! Assuming this is the Serial Killer, we know how to find his/her identity. We just have to find the person who sucks at punctuation. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2013, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/709 "2013-02-02T15:54:09Z")
@Choie 1. Pizza’s return is an in-game phenomenon, not a storyteller-imposed concession to Pizza. I’m baffled as to why you would think otherwise. **Moderators are not players and do not affect the game state once a game is in motion.** Assuming it’s not a scum power, Pleo and Val Salva were not zombiefied because whichever power can do this did not know they were dying. When night actions were allowed to be placed, Pizza was the only dead player. That’s one :dubious: to you. 2. Why at all are you casting doubt on Pleo’s note in this way? An argument might be made that “Pleo might not have written that note,” since we can’t prove otherwise, but you seem to be casting doubt on Pleo’s honesty. When you have a dead Butcher and a message from “the Butcher,” the simplest explanation is that they’re linked. Accepting that _and doubting the message anyway_ gets another :dubious: for you. 3. re: the final message. Why do you assume the serial killer left that note? What gain would the serial killer have in wasting their one message on a one-liner that does nothing to help their win-condition? I actually find it more likely a wolf left that message, because if the SK is forced to claim or is found out, SKs always offer to chain themselves to town and offer to “just kill scum.” Town often agrees and says “it’s scum’s problem now.” This solves that mess for them. Of course, with Pleo’s (likely) note, we would have killed 'em anyway, but scum couldn’t know that was coming. I’m reminded of your play in Phere mafia, where you continually questioned TexCat’s no-reveal, Mosier’s zombie scummyness, whether Pizza himself was playing along and picking actions, Weedy’s fake reveal, and so on. This whole post feels incredibly similar in tone to your play in that game. And you were scum. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2013, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/710 "2013-02-02T15:56:51Z")
Hmm, to be fair I can think of a reason the SK would say that. You know, if it wasn’t true. ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2013, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/711 "2013-02-02T16:03:24Z")
Lol. The Pizza Rule: if you’re playing a game of mafia and your name is Askthepizzaguy, you can’t ever ever ever die. Ever. It’s a narrow rule but surprisingly consistent. ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2013, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/712 "2013-02-02T16:19:48Z")
Farewell Pleo and ValSalva. If there’s a serial killer and a scum kill in addition to the vigilante, either someone held off last night or a kill was blocked/protected. ValSalva looks like a vig (or SK pretending to be a vig) kill - she had just three posts, one to confirm, one to explain her absence, and another excuse for not playing. As for the messages, I agree the first one was presumably by Pleo. The second one looks like a message between lovers, masons or other hidden group who don’t have off board communication, I suspect a very short but drawn out discussion will follow. The third one could be misinformation by scum or the SK. More than the punctuation - as if anyone writes so poorly - referring to scum as wolves could be more telling although it fits this game’s color more than others. Welcome back Pizza, no brains here, sorry. **Vote Choie Vote SilverJan Vote Texcat** ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2013, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/713 "2013-02-02T16:25:34Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > @Choie > > 1. Pizza’s return is an in-game phenomenon, not a storyteller-imposed concession to Pizza. I’m baffled as to why you would think otherwise. **Moderators are not players and do not affect the game state once a game is in motion.** Assuming it’s not a scum power, Pleo and Val Salva were not zombiefied because whichever power can do this did not know they were dying. When night actions were allowed to be placed, Pizza was the only dead player. That’s one :dubious: to you. Oy veh. Well, you’re not going to believe this, but I literally did not even consider that it might have been a power role who brought him back to life. Seriously. And _I was a resurrectionist_ (or at least had that power) in the last game! I thought this was basically a vanilla game and don’t remember anything about zombies in vanilla games. So I just assumed mod intervention. Really really stupid of me. Vote for me for being an idiot. If you’re Town, I probably won’t be of much use anyway. If you’re Scum, you probably should leave me in since I’m a good distraction. > [@](#): > > 1. Why at all are you casting doubt on Pleo’s note in this way? An argument might be made that “Pleo might not have written that note,” since we can’t prove otherwise, but you seem to be casting doubt on Pleo’s honesty. Wait, what? No I wasn’t. I was genuinely asking how a vigilante would know about a serial killer. The fact that I trust that **Pleo** was a vigilante (and Town) is visible in the fact that I’m pissed off at him (as I was when he originally posted) for painting a fucking neon sign on his back that said HEY LOOK AT ME I’M A POWER ROLE with his very first post. I’m frustrated with him, and also confused by how a vigilante works. > [@](#): > > When you have a dead Butcher and a message from “the Butcher,” the simplest explanation is that they’re linked. Accepting that _and doubting the message anyway_ gets another :dubious: for you. Again, I never doubted the message. I’m giving _you_ a :dubious: for inventing doubt where there is none. Total misreading of my curiosity. > [@](#): > > 1. re: the final message. Why do you assume the serial killer left that note? What gain would the serial killer have in wasting their one message on a one-liner that does nothing to help their win-condition? I actually find it more likely a wolf left that message, because if the SK is forced to claim or is found out, SKs always offer to chain themselves to town and offer to “just kill scum.” Town often agrees and says “it’s scum’s problem now.” This solves that mess for them. Of course, with Pleo’s (likely) note, we would have killed 'em anyway, but scum couldn’t know that was coming. Dude… it was a _joke_. The apostrophe in “wolf’s” is a mistake. (And I’m a professional editor so it bugs.) However, the point is that for some reason both **Pleo** and at least a wolf or someone else with bad punctuation skills :D, believes, or is aware, that there’s a Serial Killer. In none of the games I’ve played has anyone except the SK known for certain that there was a Serial Killer in the game until after a couple of Nights. Unless I missed something in **story** ’s color. > [@](#): > > I’m reminded of your play in Phere mafia, where you continually questioned TexCat’s no-reveal, Mosier’s zombie scummyness, whether Pizza himself was playing along and picking actions, Weedy’s fake reveal, and so on. This whole post feels incredibly similar in tone to your play in that game. And you were scum. It’s also similar in tone to my earlier two games. And I was town. In any event I really don’t see how being stupid and not even considering that there’s a resurrector (or whatever role creates zombies) rather than a mod – and again, having 1/3 of my experience being with a **pizza** -moderated game where he absolutely would’ve done all kinds of weird shit like this and thus, so as far as I know, mods do this kinda stuff all the time – as well as being pissed off with **Pleo** ’s anti-Town self-reveal, not understanding how a vigilante knows there’s a Serial Killer, and making a joke about an unnecessary apostrophe, is all that :dubious:. Frankly I’m the first to admit I’m not a very smart player\*. Lucky, yes. Instinctive at times, sure. But not smart and definitely not strategic. Anyone who’s played with me can verify that! - Though I still sure as hell wouldn’t do what **Pleo** did. Criminies. Is there such a thing as a suicidal vigilante? Edited to add: Annnnnd **Guiri** continues his inability to post without mentioning my name. That’s it, I’m hiring a bodyguard. Guy’s a stalker. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2013, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/714 "2013-02-02T16:57:53Z")
Comments on barn notes= late I see I find it unlikely that Scum would guess that there was a butcher- so that comment on the barn holds water as being from him I think the second comment is noise-I’m not up on all the internet/text shorthand but/and the shorthand in this I have no reference points for. ( on preview I see one has suggested it was a partner type team with no off board- not impossible-) Third graffiti- poor syntax is not a crime but it’s killing me- and I think intended to mislead Since writing on the Barn is a one shot deal I am a bit surprised that there were 3 this first Night as I am curious why a player would waste the one shot this early- in my head they are more likely truthful – as Scum would – perhaps- save theirs ---- unless we have a Scum that was under some pressure and thought they would be lynched today so they used it before death \*\* If a player is “ resurrected” and have not written on the Barn- can they do so after death? \*\* ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2013, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/715 "2013-02-02T17:10:19Z")
\*\* ”The Serial Killer will win if not dead. –- The Butcher"\*\* - I guess that’s worth us knowing. Thanks, Pleo. The final message is at the bottom. A distinctly different hand has written: \*\* “the wolf’s cannot kill the Serial killer.”\*\* Combine this with Pleo’s and the sk has gained some good info. Assuming he didn’t have it. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2013, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/716 "2013-02-02T17:30:34Z")
On iPhone so I will be brief. My wag on the second barn message is maybe ‘Other WT (Watcher/Tracker?) - Let’s reveal ourselves. - This TW (Tracker/Watcher?)’ But I think that would be a bad idea if I parsed the acronym correctly. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2013, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/717 "2013-02-02T17:35:03Z")
> [@Enderw24](#): > > Lol. > > The Pizza Rule: if you’re playing a game of mafia and your name is Askthepizzaguy, you can’t ever ever ever die. Ever. > > It’s a narrow rule but surprisingly consistent. I refuse to thank you for that flash back ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2013, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/718 "2013-02-02T18:49:13Z")
Let me note, by masons I actually was thinking of the “brothers” kind of role I’ve used. I did a thing where Fred and George Weasley(in Harry Potter mafia) knew each other…but I think could not talk. They knew each others identities, but had no message board. In my game, they had consequences if the other died, too. This would explain the need to post on the Barn. ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2013, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/719 "2013-02-02T18:52:01Z")
> [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](#): > > On iPhone so I will be brief. My wag on the second barn message is maybe ‘Other WT (Watcher/Tracker?) - Let’s reveal ourselves. - This TW (Tracker/Watcher?)’ > > But I think that would be a bad idea if I parsed the acronym correctly. It sounds like a really bad idea for anyone to reveal him/herself at this stage. If I had a role I wouldn’t trust anyone who told me to reveal it at this stage of the game. Sounds too easy to create a trap in this manner. (Unless they’re Masons, where each knows the other is definitely Town, I guess that wouldn’t be a trap. But either way it seems dangerous to reveal roles so early for no earthly reason.) ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2013, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/720 "2013-02-02T19:06:12Z")
As for the Barn, I am comfortable that the first message is genuinely from Pleo, but how did he know there was a SK? And what’s up with the message anyway, of course a SK wins if they don’t die. Isn’t tha the point of third parties? Story has told us that there are Masons in this game to I thinks it s a fair assumption that is what the second message is about. As for the third…hmm this is more tricky. The Scum team has the advantage of coordinating their messages. Instead of thinking of it as one per Scum, we think of it as n messages for Scum team (n being number of scum). It doesn’t seem so unusual they’d burn one on Night 1. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635.md?page=35) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635.md?page=37)