# Mafia - Game in progress \[Edited title\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [January 9, 2013, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635 "2013-01-09T16:03:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 41
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2013, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/801 "2013-02-05T18:54:30Z")
Unless Diggit is counterclaimed, **Unvote: Diggit** **Diggit** , Are there 3 masons? Or do you all just have three/third in your names/role names? Votes (9) for Chucara Yesterday: Lightfoot (300), Texcat (334), Mahaloth (337), Silver Jan (351), fubbleskag (361), orthohedron (434), wombat99 (612), RedSkeezix (619), Pleonast (625) Did something happen to make the other 8 of you think that Chucara is not scum toDay? If anything, I think narrowly losing to town Pizza makes it more likely that Chucara is scum. After coming close to the lynch yesterDay, he appears to be much quieter toDay, not posting at all yet toDay. ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2013, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/802 "2013-02-05T19:04:11Z")
I’ve seen the self vote in a previous storyteller game. Turned out to be a guy who could save himself from the noose while flipping Town. I don’t think that’s what’s going on here. But humor me, choie. You’ve got almost 50 hours to end of Day. You weren’t the lynch leader. You probably still aren’t lynch leader. Over half the players haven’t even voted yet. What led you to believe your lynch was so inevitable you were left no choice but to run up to the gallows and put the noose around your own neck? ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2013, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/803 "2013-02-05T19:04:58Z")
You know there are some versions of the multi-vote system that retain votes from one Day to the next unless you specifically unvote. Without an official vote count for Today, I’m not sure if **storyteller** is using that system or not. ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2013, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/804 "2013-02-05T19:25:22Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > Unless Diggit is counterclaimed, > (SNIP) > > **Diggit** , Are there 3 masons? Or do you all just have three/third in your names/role names? > > Votes (9) for Chucara Yesterday: > Lightfoot (300), Texcat (334), Mahaloth (337), Silver Jan (351), fubbleskag (361), orthohedron (434), wombat99 (612), RedSkeezix (619), Pleonast (625) > > Did something happen to make the other 8 of you think that Chucara is not scum toDay? If anything, I think narrowly losing to town Pizza makes it more likely that Chucara is scum. After coming close to the lynch yesterDay, he appears to be much quieter toDay, not posting at all yet toDay. There are 3 masons indeed. Like I said before (whilst commingling \*\*choie \*\*with **Chucara** ) I think that commenting “I think pizza’s town” while voting against him, added to pizza’s flipping town is enough to: **Vote Chucara** ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2013, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/805 "2013-02-05T19:53:25Z")
> [@Enderw24](#): > > I’ve seen the self vote in a previous storyteller game. Turned out to be a guy who could save himself from the noose while flipping Town. I don’t think that’s what’s going on here. > > But humor me, choie. You’ve got almost 50 hours to end of Day. You weren’t the lynch leader. You probably still aren’t lynch leader. Over half the players haven’t even voted yet. What led you to believe your lynch was so inevitable you were left no choice but to run up to the gallows and put the noose around your own neck? Of course I knew I’d be the lynch leader once **Diggit** claimed s/he was a Mason; everyone would back off of him/her and I was in second place, with a few people bitching at me for a) posting too much and b) posting too little and c) talking about the Barn–y’know, the only thing everyone’s been talking about since last Night–and d) not understanding the color thing and e) overthinking and f) being honest by acknowledging that I might be overthinking and g) joking about the bad punctuation and h) saying the punctuation didn’t matter (because apparently it doesn’t but it’s bad for me to say so). And all this is _before_ **Guiri** shows up. The mind boggles. I’m just not in the mood. I’m a Redshirt and useless to Town, apparently contributing nothing but distraction, so might as well get it over with. In short, my head was already in the noose. Unlike **pizza** , I don’t see the point in arguing anymore since it’s better for Town to lynch a vanilla than accidentally strike out at someone useful. Whatevs. Don’t get me wrong, you’re making a mistake. But this early on it’s a relatively harmless mistake for Town, so since I care more about Town than some of you guys who are undoubtedly scum, I’m just getting it over with so you can maybe concentrate on, y’know, lynching actual scum instead of someone who was trying to learn more about the game by asking questions. By the way, I do think it’s interesting **Chucara** has completely dropped off the radar despite being the 2nd place lynch leader yesterday. So while I’m at it, **vote Chucara** So once I’m lynched, I recommend you go back to pondering the votes (and any unvotes) on him/her Yesterday. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2013, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/806 "2013-02-05T20:03:20Z")
> [@USCDiver](#): > > You know there are some versions of the multi-vote system that retain votes from one Day to the next unless you specifically unvote. Without an official vote count for Today, I’m not sure if **storyteller** is using that system or not. I’m going to withhold any further votes or potential unvotes until we get an official count, then. Paging storyteller. ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2013, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/807 "2013-02-05T20:34:27Z")
> [@choie](#): > > Don’t get me wrong, you’re making a mistake. But this early on it’s a relatively harmless mistake for Town, so since I care more about Town than some of you guys who are undoubtedly scum, So your argument boils down to “I care so much about Town, I’m willing to just roll over and die.”? Because that’s pretty much what you’ve said. You could argue against Stanislaus’s case on you. You could legitimately hunt scum with the two full Days you have left. Or you could build a funeral pyre, throw yourself atop it screaming “you’ll all rue the day. RUUUUUUUUUUUEEEEEE!!!” Yeah. My vote still stands. ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2013, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/808 "2013-02-05T22:25:34Z")
> [@Enderw24](#): > > So your argument boils down to “I care so much about Town, I’m willing to just roll over and die.”? Because that’s pretty much what you’ve said. > > You could argue against Stanislaus’s case on you. You could legitimately hunt scum with the two full Days you have left. Or you could build a funeral pyre, throw yourself atop it screaming “you’ll all rue the day. RUUUUUUUUUUUEEEEEE!!!” > > Yeah. My vote still stands. It’s kind of hard to argue a case that says basically “you’re talking too much about the _only new information we’ve received_, and also the only information **anyone** is talking about.” I have no idea how to hunt scum when no one is talking about anything but me, and now a few questions about the triple masons. I’ve already said I’m not a good strategizer. I’ve done well in past games on instinct primarily by not posting much until the middle of the game, by which time there’s actual evidence against people and voting records and whatnot. (And actually the only game I won was because I was vastly overpowered thanks to **pizza**.) On Day 2 all we have had to talk about was the Barn, and that’s apparently not a subject I’m allowed to discuss too much. Then everyone’s jumped on me and I’m seeing myself as being useless to Town. You tell me to hunt scum. With what info, precisely? Am I supposed to OMGUS everyone? I’d pretty much have to, because again, the topics of conversation Today have been: 1. The Barn messages. I’m not allowed to discuss them though, so that’s out. 2. Me. No point in discussing myself. Any defense I offer has been twisted; damned if I do, damned if I don’t. Seems a waste of time. 3. Someone claims being a Mason. Okay. That’s nice. And? Obviously s/he’s untouchable. 4. **Chucara** ’s going from nearly being lynched yesterday to suddenly no one wants to talk about him/her. Well, that’s weird. I didn’t see what was so scummy about **Chucara** Yesterday but the sudden reluctance of anyone to maintain their suspicions of him/her makes me wonder about them more than **Chucara**. But what am I going to do, accuse all of the **Chucara** voters? That seems silly to me. They could just as easily have been wrong as the **pizza** voters, and the **choie** voters now. The only thing that strikes me as interesting is that we apparently have three Masons. I mean, that’s good, the more the merrier. But actually it’s almost too good. Too overpowered. Why have three mutually certain Townies? That’s putting a lot of power on our side. Same with the Vigilante who somehow knew there’s a serial killer. Why is **story** giving Town players so much information when we’re supposed to be the side that’s coming to this _tabula rasa_? That’s worrisome, if only because to my mind it means that Team Scum may have some really powerful mechanic on their side too. But that’s probably not useful, I’ll be accused of more overthinking (oops and now I’ll be accused of saying I’m overthinking, and now I’ll be accused of saying I’m saying I’m overthinking. And _now_ I’ll be accused of… oh, fill in the rest yourself). ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2013, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/809 "2013-02-05T22:29:34Z")
Catching up now… ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2013, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/810 "2013-02-05T22:38:14Z")
Once again, sorry I’ve been away. My show is due Friday, and I’ve been fairly busy. One quick question, and apologies if it’s been answered elsewhere… Diggit, why did you want your mason team to be revealed toDay? ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2013, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/811 "2013-02-05T22:51:10Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > Once again, sorry I’ve been away. My show is due Friday, and I’ve been fairly busy. > > One quick question, and apologies if it’s been answered elsewhere… Diggit, why did you want your mason team to be revealed toDay? My main point (which I made before) still stands: I think it’s pretty good information for Town to have. Think of it like an Investigator who had solid information on 3 Town folk. But, like my Barn message implied, I’m not unaware that others might think otherwise (including my fellow masons). Which is why I thought we should discuss it before any (or all) of us should reveal our roles. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2013, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/812 "2013-02-05T23:11:54Z")
> [@fubbleskag](#): > > “wolf’s” v “wolves” - I have trouble imagining that a SDMB regular would make this mistake genuinely, Just what are you trying to say their? ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2013, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/813 "2013-02-05T23:12:56Z")
🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2013, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/814 "2013-02-05T23:14:24Z")
Choie, it is my opinion that town should fight to the bitter end to avoid mislynch. Don’t you agree? ---
**Author:** ![Chucara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Chucara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chucara)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2013, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/815 "2013-02-05T23:19:30Z")
Wait what? I’m being voted for defending pizza? This makes even less sense than voting me for my pancakes vote. I was correctly convinced that pizza was town. Pizza was also correctly convinced that I was town. By your logic, both myself and pizza must be town. **vote Texcat** For his/her one-minded focus on voting me. IMO Personal vendettas is a very easy way for scum to hide. Why Texcat has become so sure that I am scum to actually encourage people to vote for me, twice now, I simply don’t understand. On the other hand, as I am already claimed vanilla, I don’t see why scum would focus so much on me. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2013, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/816 "2013-02-05T23:30:17Z")
On Diggit: If no counter-claims ensue, I will be looking very closely at everyone who voted for him. On choie: Burby was, I believe, the first one to openly state concern about the white paint vs blue text, and he continued to express that concern over multiple posts. I don’t personally find that really suspicious myself, and I do wonder how choie became the lynch leader for basically the same concerns while Burby has gotten a pass. Burby got some attention for his mysterious message reveal, but no one has taken him to task for his questions about the paint. This begs examination of the choie voters in my book. Her self-vote doesn’t help things, but it seems more like a null tell to me because Townies can get frustrated and say/do not so helpful things. As for the lack of traction on yesterday’s vote recipients, that doesn’t really bother me either. Day 1 is often not a source for insightful cases that stick. I’m not really inclined to vote for Ryjae again at this point. I think there’s more likely to be scum in the choie voters. Case in point, Stanislaus, and just to make things interesting and sort of contradict myself, I do actually have some carry-over from yesterDay on him as well, specifically his justification on his vote for Babale, which I see he’s carrying over to Today. He hasn’t liked my questioning that justification and he parked a vote on me yesterDay for my trouble. He said that vote for me was due in part to not changing my mind when it was pointed out that I had misinterpreted some posts, but the fact of the matter is that misinterpretation didn’t have any effect on my thesis, which is that I fail to see a scum motivation for Babale trying to sew confusion/paranoia about the barn mechanic being vulnerable to some sort of role being able to figure out who wrote what because it seems quite clear to me that there is no way for the scum to manipulate anything with respect to the Barn other than the phrasing of the individual messages they post. Townies don’t need a motivation to be paranoid though, as it is what Townies do, and Babale strikes me as a paranoid Townie in her play yesterday. He’s also couching his vote on Babale in some sort of meta policy about trying to stick to his previous suspicions consistently. This makes no sense to me and is a bad policy, even if that makes me sound like a hypocrite since I am carrying my vote for him over from yesterDay. “Because I voted for them yesterday” is not going to persuade anyone to share your point of view, so why include it as if it is an additional justification? **Vote Stanislaus** ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2013, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/817 "2013-02-05T23:30:28Z")
> [@choie](#): > > For _pity’s_ sake, it was a JOKE. And if that was the scum gambit then they’re unbelievably stupid, or they think we are. > > By the way, as a pro tip to y’all who may not have noticed this phenomenon, forum mods and admins know that one of the most common things sockpuppets do, when they try to create alternate personas, is write as if they’re barely literate. It’s a way of covering their real writing style. So you get a lot of people writing like e.e. cummings or using L33T or teen textspeak or they use lots of emoticons/LOLspeak and so on. **VOTE CHOIE** I Didn’t get past the first line here, to have this ping. It just doesn’t sit right, there is something off with the reaction here. The second paragraph, and wall of text after (Did you really name drop e.e. cummings?!) 1337 speak and the rest takes this stretched response and knocks it into outer space. Choie overdoes the distancing from scum in the first line. The second paragraph is a mix of condescension, red herring, laughing behind our back, and who knows what else. Talk of sock puppet - an act of desperation. Full disclosure, it took me arguing that one player in a previous game, years back was a sock, to find out how … “You just don’t do that!” It was. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2013, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/818 "2013-02-05T23:32:15Z")
> [@DiggitCamara](#): > > So, since Thursday is the deadline for this Day’s lynch, I guess I have to make an effort to stop my lynching bandwagon and give us time to discuss other candidates. > > I am the author of the second message. I am a member of a masonic group. I obviously know the meaning of the acronyms but I think they’re a pretty good way to identify the other masons. I’ll tell you this: the T in OWT stands for “Three”. The second T in TTW stands for “third”. > > I’ll gladly answer any questions you have about my role. Well the second “T” must stand for twit lol **Unvote DiggitCamara** ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2013, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/819 "2013-02-05T23:39:02Z")
> [@DiggitCamara](#): > > There are 3 masons indeed. > > Like I said before (whilst commingling \*\*choie \*\*with **Chucara** ) I think that commenting “I think pizza’s town” while voting against him, added to pizza’s flipping town is enough to: > > **Vote Chucara** Does commingling with Choie and Chucara mean the they are your co masons? That’s what it looks like to me. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2013, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/820 "2013-02-05T23:43:33Z")
Catching up but Choie, why the bleep did you vote for you:only scum do that 🙂 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635.md?page=40) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635.md?page=42)