# Mafia - Game in progress \[Edited title\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [January 9, 2013, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635 "2013-01-09T16:03:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 46
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2013, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/901 "2013-02-07T16:28:49Z")
> [@choie](#): > > No we didn’t. For the second time, someone’s confused me with **Chucara**! I was _never_ certain **Pizza** was Town–well, until he flipped, obviously–and not only was I the first person to vote for him, but I pretty much didn’t waver, except I did think that he seemed more scummy than **Chucara** , ironically enough. > > Jesus. If I’m going to be lynched, for God’s sake at least lynch me for the right reason. My apologies for the misstatement, though it doesn’t change the point of what I was saying in that post. The fact is that there were a number of votes against you early in the Day, and once \*\*Diggit \*\*claimed Mason you became the only viable candidate…until \*\*TexCat \*\*‘reminded’ us that we should vote for \*\*Chucara \*\*again. And for the record, I am not voting for you because I thought you had PIS regarding **Pizza** ; I voted for you because I didn’t like your ‘straddling the fence’ with your votes, and because I’m suspicious of what looks like an effort going on to ‘save you’. And yes, by saying that I am aware that I’m smudging everyone who has voted for \*\*Chucara \*\*Today. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2013, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/902 "2013-02-07T16:31:45Z")
Anybody have a current vote count handy? ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2013, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/903 "2013-02-07T16:34:08Z")
of FFS choie, you’ve been playing this game long enough to know that Town win by killing scum. Town don’t win by killing off the least useful Townies. That you’ve been (apparently) playing under this delusion for the better part of a week now is…bah, I don’t know. But my vote on you is staying. If you flip scum (which I’m thinking is a strong possibility) I get to dance upon your grave. If you flip Town, I’ll just shake my head, wonder what failed gambit you were up to, and keep playing the best game I can. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2013, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/904 "2013-02-07T16:34:38Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > And yes, by saying that I am aware that I’m smudging everyone who has voted for \*\*Chucara \*\*Today. S’all cool, some of us likely deserve it. 😃 Speaking of TexCat, I think you hit the nail on the head. She’s been cheer leading Chucara’s lynch. Anybody feel like joining my vote on her? I’d move off Chucara to lynch her, as my vote on him mostly reflects my larger town lean on Choie. ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2013, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/905 "2013-02-07T16:51:37Z")
**Astral** , as I said. I can’t win in this scenario. You claim you’ve never seen anyone immediately pounced on for saving themself in the last hours? Seriously?? Every single game I’ve played… okay, all 2 of them, apparently… has featured this dynamic. There is absolutely no way people will not be convinced this was just a martyr gambit. See **Enderw24** , for example. He’ll still think it’s a gambit _even when I flip Town_! > [@Enderw24](#): > > of FFS choie, you’ve been playing this game long enough to know that Town win by killing scum. Town don’t win by killing off the least useful Townies. That you’ve been (apparently) playing under this delusion for the better part of a week now is…bah, I don’t know. But my vote on you is staying. > > If you flip scum (which I’m thinking is a strong possibility) I get to dance upon your grave. If you flip Town, I’ll just shake my head, wonder what failed gambit you were up to, and keep playing the best game I can. \*What the everliving heck? \* What a bizarre reaction. Now _that_ seems scummy. **vote Enderw24** just because if I can’t OMGUS at this point, when can I? Plus, come on, that reaction is _ridiculous_. My bona fides should be absolutely intact once I die; that’s just insulting. I can’t believe you people don’t see i’m stuck in a corner here. The paint’s dripping and the brush is in my own hand, but here I stand, nevertheless. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2013, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/906 "2013-02-07T16:55:14Z")
> [@choie](#): > > **Astral** , as I said. I can’t win in this scenario. You claim you’ve never seen anyone immediately pounced on for saving themself in the last hours? Seriously?? Every single game I’ve played… okay, all 2 of them, apparently… has featured this dynamic. To be totally honest, I’ve never actually seen this circumstance before. A self-defense vote that also breaks a tie and involves unvoting _yourself?_ Mafia, you’re a fickle mistress. Anyway. You say you’re town. You advance town’s interests best by unvoting yourself if that’s true. So unvote yourself. It shouldn’t require this much soul-searching. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2013, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/907 "2013-02-07T17:00:14Z")
Let me put the situation to you this way, then **choie**. This is looking at the situation from your perspective (ie you know you are Town and do not know the alignment of **Chucura** ) Suppose you die today (and flip Town as you say), then there’s a good chance we’d lynch **Chucura** Tomorrow. Suppose for the sake of argument that he flips Scum then, is it better for a Scum to live through an extra Night? What if he’s the Godfather or Roleblocker? In your mind isn’t it better to lynch a “possible” scum Today? ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2013, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/908 "2013-02-07T17:04:01Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > S’all cool, some of us likely deserve it. 😃 > > Speaking of TexCat, I think you hit the nail on the head. She’s been cheer leading Chucara’s lynch. Anybody feel like joining my vote on her? I’d move off Chucara to lynch her, as my vote on him mostly reflects my larger town lean on Choie. My vote count as of Post 906: **choie (8)**: GuiriEnEspana (712), DiggitCamara del[/del], Stanislaus (786), EnderW24 (788), choie (795), Mahaloth (799), [del]USCDiver (800-852)[/del], Meeko (817), Johnny Bravo (866), [del]Astral Rejection (871-887)[/del], Suburban Plankton (890) **Chucara (8)**: TexCat (733), DiggitCamara (804), choie (805), LightFoot (835), wombat99 (851), USCDiver (852), Mahaloth (863), Astral Rejection (891) **TexCat (4)**: GuiriEnEspana (712), Chucara (815), Astral Rejection (874), Suburban Plankton (894) **GuiriEnEspana (3)**: choie (795), Silver Jan (822), wombat99 (851) **fubbleskag (3)**: DiggitCamara (836), EnderW24 (846), Astral Rejection (876) **Babale (2)**: Stanislaus (786), wombat99 (851) **Silver Jan (1)**: GuiriEnEspana (712) **Suburban Plankton (1)**: DiggitCamara (759) **Stanislaus (1)**: Cookies (816) **LightFoot (1)**: Red Skeezix (864) **Mahaloth (1)**: Red Skeezix (864) **Red Skeezix (1)**: Johnny Bravo (866) **Johnny Bravo (1)**: choie (867) **Wombat99 (1)**: fubbleskag (882), Johnny Bravo (900) **EnderW24 (1)**: choie (905) **DiggitCamara (0)**: [del]Silver Jan (761-818)[/del], [del]Mahaloth (763-794)[/del], [del]TexCat (764-801)[/del], [del]Dizzymrslizzy (765-838)[/del], [del]Johnny Bravo (787-866)[/del] **USCDiver (0)**: [del]Red Skeezix (864-868)[/del] ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2013, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/909 "2013-02-07T17:10:11Z")
I note Chucara hasn’t voted for Choie. If somebody else unvotes Choie, and he then votes for her, we’re back at a tie. ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2013, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/910 "2013-02-07T17:11:38Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > To be totally honest, I’ve never actually seen this circumstance before. A self-defense vote that also breaks a tie and involves unvoting _yourself?_ Mafia, you’re a fickle mistress. LOL, okay, well, maybe not the unvoting oneself part. I’m probably one of a masochistic few who’ve gone this route, which is not something I’m a proud of. But certainly being one of the deciding factors by voting in a way that will hopefully save oneself is absolutely seen as a “you must be scum to self-preserve” move. > [@](#): > > Anyway. You say you’re town. You advance town’s interests best by unvoting yourself if that’s true. So unvote yourself. It shouldn’t require this much soul-searching. 😃 \ He don’t know me vewwy well, do he?\ I never _require_ soul-searching! Please read the thread where I bemoaned my inability to kill bugs. > [@USCDiver](#): > > Let me put the situation to you this way, then **choie**. This is looking at the situation from your perspective (ie you know you are Town and do not know the alignment of **Chucura** ) > > Suppose you die today (and flip Town as you say), then there’s a good chance we’d lynch **Chucura** Tomorrow. Suppose for the sake of argument that he flips Scum then, is it better for a Scum to live through an extra Night? What if he’s the Godfather or Roleblocker? > > In your mind isn’t it better to lynch a “possible” scum Today? Oh crap. Well now this is an argument that is swaying me. I don’t think it will help at this point, though. I don’t think any of the people telling me to unvote myself are actually voting for me. And if I do, I just know at least one of you is gonna turn this right back in my face. Well. If I’m willing to die, I guess I’m willing to die. Now it’s beginning to feel that I might as well unvote because if I’m killed for it, I should accept that fate. All right. You win. Damn it to hell. **Unvote the nimrod who put herself in this dumbass position.** **Story, presumably you know that means me.** ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2013, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/911 "2013-02-07T17:17:12Z")
**Vote Choie** for her late-day self defense vote. I kid! I kid! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2013, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/912 "2013-02-07T17:18:25Z")
This is the actual vote count as at post 906. **Chucara (8)**: TexCat (733), DiggitCamara (804), choie (805), LightFoot (835), wombat99 (851), USCDiver (852), **choie (7)**: GuiriEnEspana (712), DiggitCamara del[/del], Stanislaus (786), EnderW24 (788), choie (795), Mahaloth (799), [del]USCDiver (800-852)[/del], Meeko (817), Johnny Bravo del[/del], [del]Astral Rejection (871-887)[/del], Suburban Plankton (890) Mahaloth (863), Astral Rejection (891) **TexCat (4)**: GuiriEnEspana (712), Chucara (815), Astral Rejection (874), Suburban Plankton (894) **GuiriEnEspana (3)**: choie (795), Silver Jan (822), wombat99 (851) **fubbleskag (3)**: DiggitCamara (836), EnderW24 (846), Astral Rejection (876) **Babale (2)**: Stanislaus (786), wombat99 (851) **Wombat99 (2)**: fubbleskag (882), Johnny Bravo (900) **Silver Jan (1)**: GuiriEnEspana (712) **Suburban Plankton (1)**: DiggitCamara (759) **Stanislaus (1)**: Cookies (816) **LightFoot (1)**: Red Skeezix (864) **Mahaloth (1)**: Red Skeezix (864) **Red Skeezix (1)**: Johnny Bravo (866) **Johnny Bravo (1)**: choie (867) **EnderW24 (1)**: choie (905) **DiggitCamara (0)**: [del]Silver Jan (761-818)[/del], [del]Mahaloth (763-794)[/del], [del]TexCat (764-801)[/del], [del]Dizzymrslizzy (765-838)[/del], [del]Johnny Bravo (787-866)[/del] **USCDiver (0)**: [del]Red Skeezix (864-868)[/del] The main differences from Suburban Plankton’s are (i) Wombat99 has two votes not 1, and (ii) Choie has 7 votes, not 8. (You’re all missing Johnny Bravo’s unvote in post 870.) I’ll do a reformatted one before I go for tea. ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2013, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/913 "2013-02-07T17:20:21Z")
Methinks you got a cut’n’paste error there, my friend… ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2013, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/914 "2013-02-07T17:27:00Z")
Now I’m being confused with **Diggit**. > [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > **Vote Choie** for her late-day self defense vote. > > I kid! I kid! 😃 Bastard. 🙂 Now I’m really tempted to unvote **Chucara**. I hope you people appreciate that I’ve been up for _another_ 24-hour job and am still relatively lucid. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2013, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/915 "2013-02-07T17:30:40Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > **Vote Choie** for her late-day self defense vote. > > I kid! I kid! 😃 You got there before I did 😃 And I note that \*\*MHaye’s \*\*count does not reflect \*\*choie’s \*\*self-unvote in Post 910. Assuming it’s valid, the count is now **Chucara** -8 **choie** -6 so she’s protected against an incoming Chucara-self-preservation vote. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2013, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/916 "2013-02-07T17:42:39Z")
Unrelated comment: 11% of the posts in this thread have been by me. Good luck WoWing my on future days, folks! ---
**Author:** ![Chucara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Chucara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chucara)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2013, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/917 "2013-02-07T17:45:29Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > You got there before I did 😃 > > And I note that \*\*MHaye’s \*\*count does not reflect \*\*choie’s \*\*self-unvote in Post 910. Assuming it’s valid, the count is now > > **Chucara** -8 > **choie** -6 > > so she’s protected against an incoming Chucara-self-preservation vote. I won’t vote. You guys seems so set on lynching me that there is no reason for me to try to keep myself alive. I don’t have any tips to offer at this point other than to start looking at who is actively trying to look active yet not actually putting anything controversial out there. No hard feelings, Happy gaming! ---
**Author:** ![Dizzymrslizzy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Dizzymrslizzy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dizzymrslizzy)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2013, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/918 "2013-02-07T17:46:15Z")
**vote: Chucara** I don’t agree with the Choie lynch…He/She, really seems too genuine for me at this point…As well, I don’t like how Chucara was a vote leader yesterday and we were all quiet on her first thing today. You don’t go from almost being lynched to not being talked about at all today. Depending on how Chucara flips, I am going to be looking into the Choie voters tomorrow. /OOG Sorry I haven’t been very active today, My daughter’s birthday was yesterday, and we’ve been super busy prepping and planning for her party. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2013, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/919 "2013-02-07T17:51:33Z")
> [@Chucara](#): > > I won’t vote. You guys seems so set on lynching me that there is no reason for me to try to keep myself alive. > > I don’t have any tips to offer at this point other than to start looking at who is actively trying to look active yet not actually putting anything controversial out there. > > No hard feelings, Happy gaming! it’s customary for a player- ’ specially Town - to share their suspicions/thoughts on their way to the gallows ( and it can be helpful ) Scum do it too for miss-information of course You are choosing to lay down and roll over? ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2013, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/920 "2013-02-07T17:52:30Z")
> [@Chucara](#): > > No hard feelings, Happy gaming! Thanks for the pleasant send-off! See you next game, Chucara! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635.md?page=45) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635.md?page=47)