# Mafia - Game in progress \[Edited title\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [January 9, 2013, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635 "2013-01-09T16:03:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 51
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2013, 7:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1001 "2013-02-10T07:15:30Z")
And you seem to have completely missed my point that, a Town investigator who actually manages to find a scum would want to get that information out to Town ASAP, ergo, be motivated to ‘waste’ their barn note on doing so while staying hidden to hopefully investigate some more. Which I said in direct response to your completely perplexing idea that there is no Town motivation you can think of. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2013, 7:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1002 "2013-02-10T07:19:15Z")
> [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](#): > > You do realize how rare hitting a scum with an investigation is, don’t you? At the end of day 1 we had 26 living players. Assuming our investigator isn’t also a mason or something, and that s/he was randomly choosing from among the other 25 players (and also that there’s only one SK or other “bad guy”): 3 scum/1 SK = 16% 4 scum/1 SK = 20% 5 scum/1 SK = 24% 6 scum/1 SK = 28% +4% for each additional scum or third-party bad guy. And if we’re assuming that the message is true, then I think we also have to assume that it was a random choice, since I can’t really see any motivation to investigate Stanlisaus at the end of Day 1 unless the investigator is **Cookies.** Nobody else seemed at all concerned with him. ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2013, 11:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1003 "2013-02-10T11:18:38Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > I can support Chucara’s lynch for the same reasons as yesterDay. I’ll break the tie. > > Vote Chucara Mahaloth, could you explain your thought process here, was your goal to break the tie? ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2013, 11:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1004 "2013-02-10T11:50:14Z")
> [@choie](#): > > **Meeko** , I wish you’d post more. I’ve read and heard so many games involving you that it seems a real shame not to get my chance to play with a veritable celebrity. You and that chap **peeker** have made many an archived game interesting to read, in… many ways… and I hoped to be able to see you strut your stuff “live,” so to speak. 🙂 If I’m the only one who’s convinced that choie is being spitefully sarcastic in this paragraph, I’ll be forced to admit that her post style is just rubbing me the wrong way. > [@wombat99](#): > > vote Guiri > > Yesterday, we spent a lot of time debating and discussing **Pizza** , the Plan, his play style, and his motivations, leading to his lynch. Who started that discussion? **Guiri**. > > Today, we’re spending a lot of time on \*\*Choie \*\*and she’ll probably be lynched. Who started that discussion? **Guiri**. > > I think he knew that both of them would generate a lot of discussion and votes, so he lobbed both grenades into the middle of Town and stood back to see what would happen. And now one’s been lynched and the other is on the way to being lynched. We cross-posted when I apologised for yesterDay’s absence, I made my case on choie on D1 and saw it through to D2. And if you read D1 you’ll see that I did not simply suggest the idea and stand back, I supported the plan, participated and disagreed with the votes on Pizza based on the plan. Seriously weak vote here. > [@Red\_Skeezix](#): > > Of course not. It would say the same about you that choie’s says about her. Absolutely nothing. What did you mean by this then? > [@Red\_Skeezix](#): > > Sorry, but I cannot recall a scum player self voting in a case where they were not also claiming to be scum. > [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > The obvious conclusion is that the game may be balanced to end on D5 in a worst-case scenario, and that there is nothing wrong with that message. Assuming slightly less than 1/4th of the 27 players are scum (which I think is balanced with 3 deaths a night) would look like this: > > All numbers are at the START of that round. > Day 1 - 20 town, 6 scum, 1 SK - mislynch > Night 1 - 19 town, 6 scum, 1 SK - 3 town kills > Day 2 - 16 town, 6 scum, 1 SK - mislynch > Night 2 - 15 town, 6 scum, 1 SK - 3 town kills > Day 3 - 12 town, 6 scum, 1 SK - mislynch > Night 3 - 11 town, 6 scum, 1 SK - 3 town kills > Day 4 - 8 town, 6 scum, 1 SK - mislynch > Night 4 - 7 town, 6 scum, 1 SK - 3 town kills (game over here?) > Day 5 - 4 town, 6 scum, 1 SK (game over?) > > As that quick run down shows, the balance doesn’t quite work out. But I don’t think the messages necessarily conflict, just that I haven’t accounted for something. I think I was saying that there was something wrong with that message because it didn’t actually say much, there’s an SK, they need to survive to win, and so? ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2013, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1005 "2013-02-10T12:22:24Z")
I hate waking up dead 🙂 Spoilers please. ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2013, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1006 "2013-02-10T13:08:10Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > At the end of day 1 we had 26 living players. Assuming our investigator isn’t also a mason or something, and that s/he was randomly choosing from among the other 25 players (and also that there’s only one SK or other “bad guy”): > > 3 scum/1 SK = 16% > 4 scum/1 SK = 20% > 5 scum/1 SK = 24% > 6 scum/1 SK = 28% > +4% for each additional scum or third-party bad guy. > > And if we’re assuming that the message is true, then I think we also have to assume that it was a random choice, since I can’t really see any motivation to investigate Stanlisaus at the end of Day 1 unless the investigator is **Cookies.** Nobody else seemed at all concerned with him. Did you really just try to out the Town investigator? ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2013, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1007 "2013-02-10T14:50:51Z")
> [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](#): > > And you seem to have completely missed my point that, a Town investigator who actually manages to find a scum would want to get that information out to Town ASAP, ergo, be motivated to ‘waste’ their barn note on doing so while staying hidden to hopefully investigate some more. Which I said in direct response to your completely perplexing idea that there is no Town motivation you can think of. And you miss the point that it can’t be proven. Do you know that the given “investigation” isn’t the result of throwing spaghetti on the wall, seeing what sticks, or reading tea leaves? Why are you convinced that the "investigation"is the truth? ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2013, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1008 "2013-02-10T15:34:37Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > And you miss the point that it can’t be proven. Do you know that the given “investigation” isn’t the result of throwing spaghetti on the wall, seeing what sticks, or reading tea leaves? > > Why are you convinced that the "investigation"is the truth? Unfortunately, the only way I know to prove it is to lynch Stanislaus. Why do you seem convinced that it is not the truth? Do you propose that we just ignore it? ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2013, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1009 "2013-02-10T15:37:52Z")
> [@choie](#): > > Although I’ll tell you this. If somehow, someway, I ever create a game? Y’all better freakin’ read the color carefully. I don’t write mysteries without clues. My online fiction serial’s got plot twists that were foreshadowed in the first year, and it’s 15 years old now. 🙂 /in And I meant add above, **Vote: Stanislaus** ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2013, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1010 "2013-02-10T16:01:59Z")
> [@USCDiver](#): > > Did you really just try to out the Town investigator? That’s the exact opposite of what I just said. I was saying that the odds of randomly hitting scum without any kind of motivation aren’t all that astronomical. > [@Johnny Bravo](#): > > And if we’re assuming that the message is true, then I think \*\*we also have to assume that it was a random choice, \*\*since I can’t really see any motivation to investigate Stanlisaus at the end of Day 1 unless the investigator is Cookies. ---
**Author:** ![fubbleskag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fubbleskag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fubbleskag)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2013, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1011 "2013-02-10T16:28:57Z")
> [@Dizzymrslizzy](#): > > I also see no harm in voting Stan and seeing if the barn writing is true. > > Vote: Stan > [@Mahaloth](#): > > I’m voting Stan once I’m not mobile. Having a terrible time coding on taps tapatalk. We have to find out if the barn is accurate. > [@TexCat](#): > > Unfortunately, the only way I know to prove it is to lynch Stanislaus. Why do you seem convinced that it is not the truth? Do you propose that we just ignore it? unless I’m completely overlooking something, there are only two possibilities of the barn message: 1. town investigator got lucky, sharing the info anonymously 2. scum fucking with us obviously, the only way to find out which is to lynch **Stanislaus** - but knowing which doesn’t provide us any additional information, so I can’t condone lynching him simply on the existence of this message. if we lynch him and he flips town, anyone voting purely to find out if the barn message is true will immediately be very high on my radar. > [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > > [@Mahaloth](#): > > > > I can support Chucara’s lynch for the same reasons as yesterDay. I’ll break the tie. > > > > Vote Chucara > > Mahaloth, could you explain your thought process here, was your goal to break the tie? are you being purposely obtuse or am I being accidentally so? ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2013, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1012 "2013-02-10T16:32:25Z")
Housekeeping… 1. Playerlist[spoiler] **The living** 2. Suburban Plankton 3. orthohedron 4. fubbleskag 5. Mahaloth 6. Johnny Bravo 7. Babale 8. Astral Rejection 9. Meeko 10. USCDiver 11. texcat 12. RedSkeezix 13. GuiriEnEspana 14. DiggitCamara 15. wombat99 16. gnarlycharly 17. stanislaus 18. Dizzymrslizzy 19. Cometothe…Cookies 20. Lightfoot 21. Choie **The dead** 13. [Askthepizzaguy, a Peasant Redshirt](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15953956&postcount=644), lynched D1 24. [Val Salva, a Peasant Redshirt](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15963372&postcount=707), killed N1 3. [Pleonast, a Town Vigilante](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15963372&postcount=707), killed N1 26. [Chucara, a Peasant Redshirt](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15981577&postcount=935), lynched D2 15. [Silver Jan, a Peasant Redshirt](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15988386&postcount=958), killed N2 4. [Enderw24, a Peasant Redshirt](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15988386&postcount=958), killed N2 20. [RyJae, a Peasant Redshirt](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15988386&postcount=958), killed N2[/spoiler]2. Color coded vote counts:[spoiler] **Day 1** **Askthepizzaguy** (12): choie(312), Texcat(334), SilverJan(351), JohnnyBravo(392), Ryjae(508), AstralRejection(514), orthohedron(524), USCDiver(544), Dizzymrslizzy(546), Pleonast(557), Chucara(615), SuburbanPlankton(629) **Chucara** (9): Lightfoot(300), Texcat(334), Mahaloth(337), SilverJan(351), fubbleskag(361), orthohedron(434), wombat99(612), RedSkeezix(619), Pleonast(625) **Ryjae** (6): GuiriEnEspana(220), Cookies(301), Askthepizzaguy(505), SuburbanPlankton(549), Pleonast(557), Chucara(559) **Babale** (5): Stanislaus(236), SuburbanPlankton(369), gnarlycharly(373), wombat99(612), RedSkeezix(619) **orthohedron** (3): DiggitCamara(244), Chucara(327), Askthepizzaguy(328) **JohnnyBravo** (2): Askthepizzaguy(389), Mahaloth(407) **fubbleskag** (2): Dizzymrslizzy(439), Meeko(493) **RedSkeezix** (2): Askthepizzaguy(215), Enderw24(233) **GuiriEnEspana** (2): choie(332), Texcat(583) **choie** (1): GuiriEnEspana(220) **Mahaloth** (1): wombat99(238) **Enderw24** (1): RedSkeezix(245) **wombat99** (1): Cookies(301) **Stanislaus** (1): Cookies(301) **DiggitCamara** (1): Texcat(334) **ValSalva** (1): RyJae(466) **SilverJan** (1): GuiriEnEspana(553) **Texcat** (1): GuiriEnEspana(553) **Cookies** (1): Meeko(472) **Day 2** **Chucara** (9): Texcat(733), DiggitCamara(804), Choie(805), LightFoot(835), Wombat99(851), USCDiver(852), Mahaloth(863), AstralRejection(891), Dizzy(918) **choie** : guiri(712), Stanislaus(786), Enderw24(788), Mahaloth(799), Meeko(817), SuburbanPlankton(890) **texcat** (4): guiri(712), Chucara(815), AstralRejection(874), SuburbanPlankton(894) **fubbleskag** (3): DiggitCamara(836), Enderw24(846), AstralRejection(876) guiri(3): choie(795), SilverJan(822), Wombat99(851) **Babale** (2): Stanislaus(786), Wombat99(851) **Wombat99** (2): fubbleaskag(882), JohnnyBravo(900) **Enderw24** : Choie(905) **JohnnyBravo** (1): Choie(867) **|LightFoot** (1): RedSkeezix(864) **Mahaloth** (1): RedSkeezix(864) **RedSkeezix** (1): JohnnyBravo(866) **SilverJan** : guiri(712) **Stanislaus** (1): DarkCookies(816) **SuburbanPlankton** (1): DiggitCamara(759)[/spoiler] ---
**Author:** ![fubbleskag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fubbleskag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fubbleskag)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2013, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1013 "2013-02-10T16:35:24Z")
> [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](#): > > How new are you to the game of Mafia? Serious question. Your posts regarding the Mason claim do definitely ping my fish-o-meter (speaking of which, I’m surprised Meeko hasn’t accused you of fishing yet as he is quite fond of that particular accusation), but I’ve been giving you some room assuming you haven’t played a lot as it is a null tell between scummers/pfks, or eager information-hungry newbies, or information-hungry power roles to go fishing for information. > > Another little nugget of advice that many experienced players will give you is to let Power roles play their role and you play yours. Whether it is Suburban who is actually a Townie Mason as he claims with some sort of perfect information that has him advocating an early reveal, or a stealthy band of Townie Masons staying quiet in spite of a scummy Suburban baiting them to claim and they are not taking the bait, it is often a good idea to give them some room to do so. They’re making informed decisions about their roles. It sucks when you can’t see into magic bags and black boxes, but that’s the game. Satisfying your burning curiosities shouldn’t be a high priority for anyone else. this is something like my 4th or 5th game. [del]how does Suburban fit into this?[/del] ETA: nm, I see this was confusion cleared up in a later post. I’m not sure how my questions can be perceived as fishing for information about any unclaimed masons - I’ve been asking the claimed mason about the reasoning behind their anonymous message followed by a claim because I’m still not 100% convinced at the veracity of the claim. I’m trying to understand -why- they went about it the way that they did. if there’s something about the game mechanic that I’m overlooking, I’d appreciate the enlightenment (feel free to wait until after the game if explaining it to me now would only make it worse) ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2013, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1014 "2013-02-10T16:36:49Z")
> [@fubbleskag](#): > > are you being purposely obtuse or am I being accidentally so? I’m being purposely obtuse, Mahaloth was voting choie (#799) but then voted chucara (#863) to break the tie, WTF? I’m guessing both votes were simple bandwagon votes he gave little or no thought to as he was so unmoved by his own case on choie that he forgot it when voting chucara. But I’d like him to explain why he voted both lynch leaders… ---
**Author:** ![fubbleskag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fubbleskag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fubbleskag)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2013, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1015 "2013-02-10T16:37:23Z")
is some type of ‘poisoner’ role common in a standard setup? ---
**Author:** ![fubbleskag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fubbleskag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fubbleskag)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2013, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1016 "2013-02-10T16:45:40Z")
> [@fubbleskag](#): > > you’ve been awfully quiet and aside from your observation about “CatalizadorEnEspana” these are some very lazy votes > > vote wombat99 I’m going to re-place this vote for the time being: **vote wombat99** I’m not comfortable voting for **Stanislaus** based on the barn message alone at this point but hope to review his post history and come to a decision based on the content alone - barring that, maybe there’s some type of game-theory-esque calculation one of you math wizzes can share ---
**Author:** ![fubbleskag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fubbleskag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fubbleskag)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2013, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1017 "2013-02-10T16:48:22Z")
is it generally recommended that we let our investigator pick/choose their targets themselves, or discuss potential targets for them? ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2013, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1018 "2013-02-10T16:56:06Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > And you miss the point that it can’t be proven. Do you know that the given “investigation” isn’t the result of throwing spaghetti on the wall, seeing what sticks, or reading tea leaves? > > Why are you convinced that the "investigation"is the truth? I’m not convinced, but I’ve voted for Stan for two days, and apparent investigation results that back up my opinion is not something that has caused me to change my mind. Your ‘point’ applies to everything in the game of Mafia up until the moment that it is revealed by the Mod, ergo you have no point. ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2013, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1019 "2013-02-10T17:05:36Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > That’s the exact opposite of what I just said. I was saying that the odds of randomly hitting scum without any kind of motivation aren’t all that astronomical. Maybe I’m misunderstanding your point then. Your little numbers list doesn’t make sense to me either. If we presume for a moment that the message is true AND written by our Town investigator, then we can subtract any third party players AND the Alpha since the investigator didn’t get those results. At this point we aren’t talking about the odds of finding a non-town (which you calculated), we are looking at the odds of finding a non-alpha Scum. So the probability becomes N-1/total players where N=total number of Scum (minus Alpha). Now the value of N is up for debate, but I think 4-6 is a reasonable guess at this point. So then your range of probabilities become 12-19%. Math aside, what I understand to be your point is that either our investigator is **Cookies** (due to her documented suspicion of **Stan** ) or some other random player who randomly chose a player name out of a hat? ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2013, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1020 "2013-02-10T17:09:34Z")
I’ll try not to be too annoying in this post. For the record, I was not sarcastic when I wanted to see more of **Meeko’s** posts. He’s been referred to in every game I’ve played but I’ve never seen him in the wild. Now I’m getting a chance, so that’s cool. BTW, for those who are part-amnesiacs like I am, here are some useful links. **TexCat** did this some time ago, but I thought I’d update it, as well as include final vote count posts: [ul] [li][The Official Rules](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15912694&postcount=67)[/li][li][The Player List (note: **Chacura** and I are missing from that list).](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15912708&postcount=68)[/li][li][The Barn Info](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15922630&postcount=107)[/li][li][Night Zero](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15923035&postcount=118) (And I realize all along I’ve been using the wrong terminology, calling this N1 and so on. Sorry.)[/li][li][Day 1 Starts](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15925639&postcount=156)[/li][li][Final Vote Count for Day 1](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15953696&postcount=633) (Note: although there was a slight error in that **Surburban** ’s vote on **Pleo** wasn’t counted, **Suburban** subsequently slipped in a last unvote of **Pleo** anyway, so the count ended up being right after all.)[/li][li][Day 1 Ends / Night 1 Starts](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15953956&postcount=644)[/li][li][Day 2 Starts / Night 1 Ends](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15963372&postcount=707)[/li][li][Final Vote Count for Day 2](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15981230&postcount=923)[/li][li][Day 2 Ends / Night 2 Starts](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15981577&postcount=935)[/li][li][Day 3 Starts / Night 2 Ends](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15988386&postcount=958)[/li][/ul] Hope that helps, FWIW. > [@USCDiver](#): > > If the Town investigator decided to burn their one Barn post why wouldn’t they include both Night’s investigation results? At least they could confirm one additional Town player. Well, as you mentioned later, confirming a Town player is hard if an Alpha can fake Towniness. A real investigator, assuming we have one (and honestly I _totally forgot_ about that role, for God’s sake), can’t really _confirm_ Town, but s/he can certainly confirm a Werewolf. Unless a Third Party player has some ability to fake being Scum, or to manipulate the investigator’s results in some way. That sounds really convoluted and unfair, and my limited knowledge doesn’t include any roles like that. > [@Meeko](#): > > I don’t see how we can prove / know who wrote the barn reveal on Stan. You’re right. We can’t. We can’t every prove / know _anything_ until death comes for us, one way or another. (Wow, that sounds deep.) There are reasons I’m not thrilled with voting for **Stanislaus** even though I placed a prelim vote on him early, but there’s no point in my sharing them again. Nevertheless, it does seem that the only way to see if we have an investigator, and the only way to see if the investigator is the one who wrote on the board–assuming we have one–is by either lynching **Stanislaus** or seeing if he’s ever killed at Night. That seems like a dangerous proposition. Obviously if **Stanislaus** has never pinged you in any way, shape or form, and you really feel he’s being railroaded, then I have to say it’s probably a bad idea to vote _just_ to confirm a Barn message. On the other hand, it also serves to confirm the existance of… well, some pro-Town force, either an Investigator or a Third Party who for some reason is revealing roles. Maybe two reasons are enough. I don’t know, that’s for you to decide. But let me ask you this, **Meeko** : what message can we _ever_ believe from the Barn? I completely agree with you that taking it as legit without questioning it at all is madness. But then what do we do with messages that are there? Do we ignore them? What if you were the investigator and you found a Werewolf on one of your early Night searches, but obviously didn’t want to reveal yourself. How would you get this info across? To reiterate: I do strongly think we shouldn’t act on this, when all is said and done, without examining everything about the message, and possible motivations thereof. > [@Meeko](#): > > If town can’t gain beyond the message in and of itself (and how can it, if we can’t prove a damn thing about it?) why waste the real estate? But–but-- (splutters) What _else_ should go on the Barn? What, to you, is a _good_ use of this real estate? The only issue I have with the use of real estate, as you put it, is the same reason I’m on the fence, at least the one I’m willing to discuss again. It’s what others have mentioned: If this message is from the investigator, why just one investigation result? Was there no investigation on Night 1? Or did s/he get no result? And if so, why not mention that? Can’t just be the 10-word limit. Hypothetical 2-result message: “Pleonast scans as Town; Stanislaus is Wolf but not Alpha.” Boom, ten words. Could even shorten it if necessary. So what happened N1? Even if s/he was blocked, couldn’t that have been part of the message? For now, because of this reason and other doubts I have, and because I _do_ worry that this bandwagon is unstoppable and I think it needs to slow down a bit, I’m going to **unvote Stanislaus** [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635.md?page=50) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635.md?page=52)