# Mafia - Game in progress \[Edited title\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [January 9, 2013, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635 "2013-01-09T16:03:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 54
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1061 "2013-02-11T00:44:13Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > **vote: Astral** > His insistence that the barn message cannot be trusted until the writer claims it, seems like a scum ploy to out the investigator. 1. I could not be more explicit in saying I believe the message is fake, and will not believe it. Most likely, even if someone _does_ claim it, I’m going to have another “dubious” smiley ready to go. 2. I believe my insistance has been on signing your barn messages so that if you die, we can link them to you. I never once advocated for someone to claim their messages. What specifically do you object to in that advice? Is this primarily an OMGUS vote because I’m voting for you? ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1062 "2013-02-11T01:18:18Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > 1. I could not be more explicit in saying I believe the message is fake, and will not believe it. If you explained your reasonings, forgive me, I must have missed it. Why don’t you believe it? It’s a bold move and I think too bold to be fake. Or at least way more likely to be real than fake. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1063 "2013-02-11T01:31:41Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > 1. I could not be more explicit in saying I believe the message is fake, and will not believe it. Most likely, even if someone _does_ claim it, I’m going to have another “dubious” smiley ready to go. > > 2. I believe my insistance has been on signing your barn messages so that if you die, we can link them to you. I never once advocated for someone to claim their messages. What specifically do you object to in that advice? Is this primarily an OMGUS vote because I’m voting for you? I don’t disagree with your advice to sign your barn messages, but it’s obviously too late for whoever left the message last night to sign it. And would you have believed it if it had been signed – The Cop? Couldn’t the scum just as easily signed it The Cop as the actual investigator? I just don’t understand why you are so sure that scum sent it. It smells like PIS to me, like you _know_ the scum sent it and are going to try to take huge town cred when Stanislaus flips town. And are trying to get the investigator to disclaim it in the bargain. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1064 "2013-02-11T01:38:39Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > I don’t disagree with your advice to sign your barn messages, but it’s obviously too late for whoever left the message last night to sign it. And would you have believed it if it had been signed – The Cop? Couldn’t the scum just as easily signed it The Cop as the actual investigator? I just don’t understand why you are so sure that scum sent it. It smells like PIS to me, like you _know_ the scum sent it and are going to try to take huge town cred when Stanislaus flips town. And are trying to get the investigator to disclaim it in the bargain. The way I read his #2 is IF the message were signed- with a character name- when/if that character name was revealed we’d THEN know who sent the message ( but I could be incorrect here) ---
**Author:** ![fubbleskag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fubbleskag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fubbleskag)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1065 "2013-02-11T02:52:44Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > @ fubbleskag, what conclusion did you come to from your review of Stanislaus’ posts? the _very_ abbreviated notes of my review: 218 - multi-voting (against for lynching) 222 - pizza’s plan (isn’t this just ‘playing mafia’?) 236 - pizza’s plan (pros and cons); VOTE BABALE (over-explanation of mistake) 352 - VOTE COOKIES (voting him for voting Babale) 353 - multi-voting 363 - OOG 364 - multi-voting 530 - pizza’s plan 539 - Chucara (random D1 vote = null tell; faint scum lean); ATPG (believes genuine); VOTE RYJAE (“skimming is a scum tell, except when I do it”) 545 - places vote from 539 officially 616 - UNVOTE COOKIES, UNVOTE RYJAE (Babale is preferred lynch candidate) 652 - ATPG condolences (scum gloat?) 670 - fluff 746 - barn messages (worry about it later) 786 - VOTE BABALE (carry-over); VOTE CHOIE (lengthy - posting a lot, no cases, pre-emptive defense) 790 - vote count correction 839 - defends against case by Cookies 884 - defends vote against Choie 945 - fluff 975 - claim town 976 - defends against case by Guiri nothing here pinging me enough for a vote, so I’m not comfortable putting one up over an anonymous message. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 7:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1066 "2013-02-11T07:28:57Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > @ Meeko, do you consider the barn some sort of potato? Do you have reason to believe the message is false? Do you have reason to believe the message is true? ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 8:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1067 "2013-02-11T08:42:27Z")
> [@fubbleskag](#): > > nothing here pinging me enough for a vote, so I’m not comfortable putting one up over an anonymous message. For some reason I am so not surprised by this conclusion. Did you agree that Texcat would go 100% pro-lynch, you’d do the opposite, and choie would flip-flop, to distance yourselves once Stanislaus flips scum? **Vote fubbleskag Vote choie Vote TexCat Vote Mahaloth** > [@Meeko](#): > > Do you have reason to believe the message is true? No, but I’m not going to ignore it completely. I didn’t jump to the conclusion that it was 100% true nor 100% false, there’s a chance it’s true and after taking a look at Stanislaus’ posts so far in the game, I think he’s a good lynch candidate. His defense has been to deny the accusation (of course), accuse me of misrepresenting him, and then promptly disappear - no vote, no claim. Now I ask myself if a cop intentionally left the message anonymous, to see how people react. A cop with a scum result on N1 and presumably another result after last Night has already done a great job and may be willing to claim if needed but could be content to just sit back and see how people react to the message. ---
**Author:** ![gnarlycharlie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/5f9b8f/32.png) [@gnarlycharlie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnarlycharlie)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 11:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1068 "2013-02-11T11:59:16Z")
i’m caught up as much as i think i possibly can. the tablet is not working for me (at least for forums) so i’m going to the time-tested internet cafe. i was planning to vote **Ryjae** for his reasoning on voting for \*\*Pizza \*\*but that’s moot now. some thoughts: 1. there may be a second Town vigilante. the color says **Pleo** is _a_ not _the_ vig. that could explain the extra kills. 2. the barn message about **Stanislaus** obviously can’t be verified so i’m suspicious of those voting for him based solely on the message. also, he was more vocal and helpful when he was scum so i’m leaning Town on him at the moment. 3. scum, in general, play safe and don’t make “blatantly” anti-town posts so those who have made anti-town posts i usually think are Town. that said: **Vote Babale** - a continuation of my D1 vote for him **Vote Dizzymrslizzy** for her vote on **Stanislaus** solely on the basis of the message on the barn **Vote Lightfoot** for not being her usual misunderstood townie self **Vote Meeko** for NOT being **Meeko** **Vote GuiriEnEspana** for also not being himself, asking questions (he has belatedly only) and keep pressing and biting like a dog with a bone ---
**Author:** ![fubbleskag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fubbleskag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fubbleskag)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 12:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1069 "2013-02-11T12:27:05Z")
unofficial vote count - did I miss anyone? Stanislaus [5]: Cookies (963), Dizzy (967), [del]choie (970)[/del], Guiri (971), Mahaloth (982), TexCat (1009) TexCat [3]: Astral Rejection (1032), Cookies (1043), Guiri (1067) Dizzy [3]: Astral Rejection (1032), Cookies (1043), gnarlycharlie (1068) choie [2]: fubbleskag (1042), Guiri (1067) Mahaloth [2]: Cookies (1043), Guiri (1067) wombat99 [1]: fubbleskag (1016) Johnny Bravo [1]: Cookies (1043) Astral Rejection [1]: TexCat (1059) Cookies [1]: TexCat (1059) fubbleskag [1]: Guiri (1067) Babale [1]: gnarlycharlie (1068) Lightfoot [1]: gnarlycharlie (1068) Meeko [1]: gnarlycharlie (1068) Guiri [1]: gnarlycharlie (1068) ETA: for some reason I’m thinking there’s a shortcut to linking the post #s to the posts but can’t remember it? ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1070 "2013-02-11T14:03:48Z")
fubbleskag, I use the “post” tag. [noparse][post=15992973]post 1068[/post][/noparse] =\> [post=15992973]post 1068[/post], which is the post immediately before yours. You can get the post ID by quoting the post, which gives the post ID after the poster name, or by right-clicking the underlined post number at the top right of the thread and choosing "copy link location (or whatever your browser uses for the action of copying the full post URL to the clipboard) and edit the URL down to the post ID. It saves character count in post and (more to the point) in sigs. It also loads more than just the single post, so you can scroll up and down to get the immediate context. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1071 "2013-02-11T15:29:44Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > If you explained your reasonings, forgive me, I must have missed it. Why don’t you believe it? It’s a bold move and I think too bold to be fake. Or at least way more likely to be real than fake. [You can find my reasoning here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15990913&postcount=1032). Also, I know it’s my move on Letterpress, I’ll do that soon! 🙂 > [@TexCat](#): > > And would you have believed it if it had been signed – The Cop? Couldn’t the scum just as easily signed it The Cop as the actual investigator? I just don’t understand why you are so sure that scum sent it. No, I specifically said it should be signed with your **role name,** which scum are unlikely to know. It’s fair to accuse me of PIS in all of this, but at least get my posts right. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1072 "2013-02-11T17:24:49Z")
Sorry for not being very participatory toDay but I was only sporadically online during the weekend. \*\*_Stanislaus and the Barn Message_-If it’s a Scum ploy, it’s doomed to be very short lived. I don’t think the Investigator should have wasted his/her Barn Message but… who am I to talk? 😉 **Vote Stanislaus** ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1073 "2013-02-11T17:27:48Z")
Hey peeps what’re voting Stan. If you’re absolutely determined to lynch him, can you at least make a second case on someone else? ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1074 "2013-02-11T17:38:58Z")
> [@choie](#): > > (snip) > First **Val Salva** ’s body is described as unidentifiable. Normally I’d assume Werewolf, but the crow’s been picking at it, so all bets are off. Now, others have said it’s only “likely” that she was killed by our vig. But I just realized (in looking back at the post-Night comments) that no one mentioned the obvious clue that this was pretty definitely our vig. (And that includes me.) > > **Pleonast** ’s method of death isn’t described at all, intriguingly. _But_ the text says that “Clutched between his fingers is a very large knife, with blood clotted and dried along the blade.” > > (snipped) > [@storyteller0910](#): > > (snip) > > VAL SALVA > _Says nothing, because she’s dead._ > > **Val Salva,** a Peasant Redshirt, has been Night killed. > > ASTRAL REJECTION > Look, over there, it’s another one! > > _The crowd hurries over to a small cottage near the tavern. Outside there is a heavy wooden table, and the remnants of a sheep, quite dead, sit upon it. Slumped against the table is what’s left of a large, sweaty man in a white, stained apron. Clutched between his fingers is a very large knife, with blood clotted and dried along the blade._ > > **Pleonast** , who was the Butcher, a Town Vigilante, has also been Night killed. > > (snipped) **_choie_ and the Narrator** –More and more, **choie** ’s endless comments about the significance of the narration make me see her in scummy red. Especially when the comment is strangely divergent from the actual narration. Case in point: where is\*\* Val Salva\*\*'s body described as unidentifiable? Why single out **Pleonast** ’s method of death when, actually, neither of Night One’s victims mode of death has been described _at all_? **Vote choie** ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1075 "2013-02-11T18:08:18Z")
Votes go in blue. ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1076 "2013-02-11T18:24:14Z")
**Vote choie** I \*swear \*one of these Days I’ll get it right. ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1077 "2013-02-11T20:26:13Z")
> [@gnarlycharlie](#): > > Vote GuiriEnEspana for also not being himself, asking questions (he has belatedly only) and keep pressing and biting like a dog with a bone Just for clarity, are you voting me for not asking questions and for not biting like a dog? Or because I am asking questions and biting like a dog? ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1078 "2013-02-11T21:09:09Z")
> [@fubbleskag](#): > > is some type of ‘poisoner’ role common in a standard setup? I wouldn’t call it 'common, but it’s certainly not unheard of. I don’t personally see any evidence suggesting such a role here, but I wouldn’t count it out completely. > [@fubbleskag](#): > > is it generally recommended that we let our investigator pick/choose their targets themselves, or discuss potential targets for them? Discussion is fine, but I think the general consensus is that Investigators pick their own targets. At least, that’s my position. > [@TexCat](#): > > Last Night, Night 2, when the barn writer submitted the message, the investigator would presumably only have 1 result from Night 1. I don’t understand all this confusion about a 2nd investigation. Duh… In that light, I’m even less confident that the message is genuine. It seems to require two pieces of knowledge (“Stanislaus is a Wolf” and “Stanislaus is not an Alpha Wolf”), but I see only one opportunity to have acquired them. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1079 "2013-02-11T21:15:47Z")
> [@choie](#): > > OTOH that seems like such an elementary giveaway that I don’t know if it means anything. I’ll just ask: **Suburban** , why _did_ you waste an unvote on a guy with only one vote on him? Quite frankly, I don’t recall what my thought process was almost 2 weeks ago, but based on what I wrote in that post, I think it was something like this: I had accused **Pleonast** of being Scum and trying to save **Pizza** , who I also thought was Scum. Pleo pointed out that if he were trying to save Pizza, he wouldn’t also be voting for him. That sorta ruined my hypothesis, and since that’s the only reason I was voting Pleo in the first place, I unvoted. I think the number of votes on \*\*Pleonast \*\*at the time is completely irrelevant. I don’t consider it a “wasted” unvote. Why do you? ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1080 "2013-02-11T21:18:10Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > ~~snipped~~ > In that light, I’m even less confident that the message is genuine. It seems to require two pieces of knowledge (“Stanislaus is a Wolf” and “Stanislaus is not an Alpha Wolf”), but I see only one opportunity to have acquired them. I mentioned this earlier.. The only way to get a Wolf positive result is IF they are not the Alpha ( but why was it mentioned at all? ) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635.md?page=53) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635.md?page=55)