# Mafia - Game in progress \[Edited title\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [January 9, 2013, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635 "2013-01-09T16:03:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 67
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2013, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1321 "2013-02-19T23:40:01Z")
Oops. \*\*\*\*Vote Babale Vote Skeezix\*\*\*\* ---
**Author:** ![orthohedron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ba8739/32.png) [@orthohedron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orthohedron)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2013, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1322 "2013-02-20T01:33:15Z")
> [@USCDiver](#): > > It’s cool man, but it sucks that it took a couple of votes to get you to post and (promise to) vote. Can you tell us all why you didn’t vote for the last two Days? I honestly don’t go for the inconclusive, often wrong infighting. I’m still waiting for someone to come up with a logical (well explained) argument as to who the scum is/are and why. Capricious and arbitrary… Cosmo Kramer, it was a Seinfeld reference that seemed to have slipped past you the way you jumped on me for saying it. I haven’t voted or added anything because I have no powers, and I have no valid information other than my assigned role. I didn’t jump on the Stan bandwagon, and frankly I’m surprised that he turned out to really be scum with our Town to Scum death ratio. vote USC Driver vote DiggitCamera Town is currently losing, we have to do better. vote Red Skeezix vote Babale If we are clearing out the lurkers, then so be it. BTW I’m here, I’m not invisible. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2013, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1323 "2013-02-20T02:01:42Z")
Just out of curiosity, were you aware Diggit has claimed mason, and there has been no counter-claim? ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2013, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1324 "2013-02-20T02:12:57Z")
> [@orthohedron](#): > > I haven’t voted or added anything because I have no powers, and I have no valid information other than my assigned role. I didn’t jump on the Stan bandwagon, and frankly I’m surprised that he turned out to really be scum with our Town to Scum death ratio. Bandwagon? The Barn freaking said he was scum. What town-scum ratio were you hoping for in a mafia game? Lots of scum? ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2013, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1325 "2013-02-20T02:30:26Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > As for using flips against people… TexCat accused me of defending Stanislaus too much yesterday. It’s a fair claim, and a reasonable justification for a vote. I do find it interesting TexCat hasn’t renewed that vote, as she would be more “right” than ever; from her perspective, a [?]-aligned Astral defended Stanislaus pretty strongly. If it was scummy when we didn’t know Stan’s alignment, surely it should be twice as scummy now? > > For that reason, I’d like to > **Vote TexCat** > > Add in all of the other reasons I’ve voted for TexCat on top of this. Playing from my phone, so I can’t link to them right now. > > It’s been a fairly quiet day. I’d be willing to lynch wombat99 or orthohedron if that’s our lynch, but I’d still really prefer TexCat. I accused you of trying to get the investigator to claim and voted you to emphasize my point that the investigator should not claim. You denied trying to get the investigator to claim and that eased my mind, but I did not unvote. I’ve actually been thinking that what scum would be more likely to do yesterDay would be to waffle around, hoping that Stanislaus could escape the noose. And if his claim had been a little better that’s exactly what might have happened. > [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > The only problem I have with this theory is the “but not the Alpha” part. This indicates that the message-writer has a way to determine a) if a player is \*a \*Wolf, and b) if a player is _the Alpha_ Wolf. That seems like more information than one player would generally get in a single investigation. > > It is possible that we have a Detective with an ‘escalating’ power…maybe someone got lucky with a ‘Wolf’ result on \*\*Stanislaus \*\*on Night 1, and was able to follow up with a second investigation on Night 2 which returned an ‘Alpha/not Alpha’ result. > [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > I wouldn’t call it 'common, but it’s certainly not unheard of. I don’t personally see any evidence suggesting such a role here, but I wouldn’t count it out completely. > > Discussion is fine, but I think the general consensus is that Investigators pick their own targets. At least, that’s my position. > > Duh… > > In that light, I’m even less confident that the message is genuine. It seems to require two pieces of knowledge (“Stanislaus is a Wolf” and “Stanislaus is not an Alpha Wolf”), but I see only one opportunity to have acquired them. > [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > I suppose that it’s possible that someone has an Investigative power that explicitly can not be fooled by an Alpha Wolf. In that case, the message content makes sense…but the wording is still “off”. > > In that case, I would have said “\*and \*not the Alpha” rather than “\*but \*not the Alpha”. Also, since it seems that \*\*Pleonast \*\*signed his message on Night 1, I’d think that subsequent posters would follow that precedent. > [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > **vote Stanislaus** > > My wincon is also the same as that posted by **Mahaloth** , begining with “You are Town.” Normally I’m not a big fan of voting based on inconsistencies in role PMs, but we seem to have 4 people claiming to have identical Win Conditions, which differ slightly from the ‘sample wincon’ in the rules…unless someone else speaks up and tells us they have a Town Win Condition that’s worded differently from what has been given, I’ve got to believe that **Stanislaus** copied it from the Rules post and thus got it ‘wrong’. Suburban argued all day that the message was fake, and then finally voted for Stan. **Vote: Suburban Plankton** ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2013, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1326 "2013-02-20T02:34:35Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > Also, Babale hasn’t voted at all on Days 2 and 3? What’s up with that? > > Unless my voting chart missed him (unlikely but possible), he’s lurking pretty hardcore. I second Johnny Bravo’s request for more info from him, and I’d consider murderizing him via lynch as well. > > (snipped) And, of course, that would be the obligatory third lurker I hadn’t voted for. **Vote Babale** ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2013, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1327 "2013-02-20T02:39:24Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > **DiggitCamara** , > > Do you have anything to offer us Today except for “lynch the lurker”? As the closest thing we have to a confirmed Town, your thoughts on players might be useful…so far all you’ve done today is provide the Scum a list of “probably not Masons”. How am I supposed to have thoughts on people who have hardly played at all? ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2013, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1328 "2013-02-20T02:42:03Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > That sparked a thought. Diggit, can you post your role PM but exclude anything that would reveal the identity of your teammate? To be honest, I’m loathe to edit my role PM at all. And I want to reveal my complete role PM even less, at least for now. There’s information in it which would help my fellow mason identify him/herself after all… ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Skeezix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/aca169/32.png) [@Red\_Skeezix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Skeezix)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2013, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1329 "2013-02-20T02:58:59Z")
Well we are on lynch the lurker heh. That’s a winning strategy for sure. I just don’t post a lot, mea culpa. I’ve at least voted multiple times (I think every Day?). If you want to make a case, my opinions have been plain. Plus, diggit i might not be posting, but at least i’m not voting for dead people. Quality over quantity, and all that. Next up. Why is othro voting for a claimed mason, with no counter claim, and the existence of masons firmly established? Plus the comment “Town is losing, we have to do better.” This reeks of false commiseration. Also why didn’t you say “We are losing”. **vote Ortho** With choie coming up in blue, mahaloth’s switch to her after the Diggit claim looks even worse. Especially with the too fatalistic to be town argument. Hey and some bandwagon votes today. **vote Mahaloth** For the malarkey about masons confirming each other not providing any knowledge. Of course they do: they confirm each other, we then know as opposed to suspect them of being town. And they should take that into account when deciding whether or not to claim. **Astral Rejection** : Defending scum doesn’t make one scummy. It’s a null tell: Either you genuinely believed that the barn message was incorrect or you were scum and were trying to get him off the hook. Based on your defense, I’m leaning former. I tend to think that insinuating that it might be incorrect would be more damning than flat out denying it. But why does you being wrong make texcat more scummy? ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2013, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1330 "2013-02-20T03:00:48Z")
Are you implying your teammate doesn’t know he/she is a mason with you? Why does your remaining fellow mason need help identifying himself? ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2013, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1331 "2013-02-20T03:08:27Z")
> [@Red\_Skeezix](#): > > But why does you being wrong make texcat more scummy? At the time I made that vote, I believed that TexCat had implied I was scum defending scum. With Stanislaus flipping scum, that should add credence to that belief. That being said… > [@TexCat](#): > > I accused you of trying to get the investigator to claim and voted you to emphasize my point that the investigator should not claim. You denied trying to get the investigator to claim and that eased my mind, but I did not unvote. TexCat, I owe you an apology and an unvote. **Unvote TexCat.** It was wombat99 that voted for me because of my defense of Stan, not you. I goofed that up pretty good. > [@wombat99](#): > > I also think that Astral has crossed the line from “presenting an argument for why Stan might be Town” to “trying to save a teammate.” > > **Vote Astral** So, now I’m going to go see if wombat99 also has avoided mentioning me, and then vote accordingly. ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2013, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1332 "2013-02-20T03:09:36Z")
> [@orthohedron](#): > > I honestly don’t go for the inconclusive, often wrong infighting. I’m still waiting for someone to come up with a logical (well explained) argument as to who the scum is/are and why. Capricious and arbitrary… Cosmo Kramer, it was a Seinfeld reference that seemed to have slipped past you the way you jumped on me for saying it. > > I haven’t voted or added anything because I have no powers, and I have no valid information other than my assigned role. I didn’t jump on the Stan bandwagon, and frankly I’m surprised that he turned out to really be scum with our Town to Scum death ratio. You do understand that the point of the game is to make cases and vote for other players right? I can understand if you don’t agree with the cases being made, but the answer to that is not to sit idly by, but to stand up and make a case, convince others you are right. If you are content to sit back, not post and not vote then how can we evaluate your own alignment except by lynching you? (The same goes for all lurkers of course, but \*\*ortho \*\*is the only one who has actually responded to the charge.) Also, the Town to Scum death ratio is pretty much par for the course. There should be MANY more Town players than Scum players for the game to be balanced. To have caught one Scum and only lost two Power roles by Day 4 is actually pretty awesome! ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2013, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1333 "2013-02-20T03:10:16Z")
Check done. No wombat99 posts. I guess this will prove less fruitful than I thought. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2013, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1334 "2013-02-20T03:21:05Z")
My unofficial vote count: \*\*orthohedron \*\*(4): Diggit(1271), USCDiver (1299), Dizzymrslizzy (1300), Red Skeezix (1329) \*\*Babale \*\*(4): Johnny Bravo (1274), Mahaloth (1321), orthohedron (1322), Diggit (1326) **Red Skeezix** (3): Diggit (1311), Mahaloth (1321), orthohedron (1322) \*\*USCDiver \*\*(3): TexCat (1276), Dizzymrslizzy (1300), orthohedron (1322) \*\*gnarlycharlie \*\*(1): Johnny Bravo (1274) \*\*Meeko \*\*(1): Mahaloth (1289) \*\*wombat99 \*\*(1): Diggit (1308) \*\*Diggit \*\*(1): orthohedron (1322) \*\*Suburban \*\*(1): TexCat (1325) \*\*Mahaloth \*\*(1): Red Skeezix (1329) \*\*TexCat \*\*(0): [del]Astral (1310, 1331)[/del] ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2013, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1335 "2013-02-20T03:22:34Z")
And I’d just like to point out that when \*\*orthohedron \*\*finally deigned to make a post with votes, he managed to make a 4-way tie (with himself) for the lead. Unbelievable. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2013, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1336 "2013-02-20T03:26:15Z")
Man, forget that. **Vote orthohedron.** “Consider that tie… _terminated._” No, wait! "I guess that vote count couldn’t be… _tied down._ I’m no good at 80s action movie puns. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2013, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1337 "2013-02-20T03:28:34Z")
I’d also be okay with a Babale lynch, by the way. Shoulda mentioned that in the previous post. But ortho gets my vote for just about all of his Day’s postings so far. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2013, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1338 "2013-02-20T03:34:23Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > I’ve actually been thinking that what scum would be more likely to do yesterDay would be to waffle around, hoping that Stanislaus could escape the noose. And if his claim had been a little better that’s exactly what might have happened. I think you have a solid vote on Suburban, but I wanted to single out this bit. Town, in our wonderful haze of paranoia, mistrust, and more paranoia, often forget how clear things are for scum. A scum once remarked (and it was Stanislaus himself, in fact, on the spoiler boards for De’endee mafia) that scum are often amazed at how town talk themselves out of the “right” move. For them, things are clear. A message on the barn says Stan is a wolf. Stan really IS a wolf. For the scum team, he’s obviously dead. A cop left that message, since they know they didn’t. I wouldn’t be surprised in the least if one or two scummers jumped onto the Stan lynch immediately. Which is not to say you’re wrong, TexCat. Scum don’t want to be too obvious. I think a mix of scum jumping early and hanging back is most likely. But there are some very quick (and lazy) votes for Stan early on, and that’s where I’m gonna look next. ---
**Author:** ![orthohedron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ba8739/32.png) [@orthohedron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orthohedron)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2013, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1339 "2013-02-20T03:36:10Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > Bandwagon? The Barn freaking said he was scum. What town-scum ratio were you hoping for in a mafia game? Lots of scum? Is that the anonymous barn that anyone can write anything on (including Scum writing anonymous lies) or is this the barn of truth you are talking about? I didn’t see what the barn of truth said, did it name Stan as Scum too? Bandwagon. Skeezix let’s go back to English Class. \*“ **We** are losing, we have to do better.” \* In this case, who is **we**? _“Town is losing, we have to do better.”_ The second sentence is a lot clearer than the first. I identified the subject of the sentence before I introduced a subject pronoun. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2013, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1340 "2013-02-20T03:42:19Z")
ortho, I’d still like to know: are you aware that Diggit has claimed to be a mason, and so far nobody has counterclaimed him? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635.md?page=66) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635.md?page=68)