# Mafia - Game in progress \[Edited title\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [January 9, 2013, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635 "2013-01-09T16:03:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 68
**Author:** ![orthohedron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ba8739/32.png) [@orthohedron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orthohedron)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2013, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1341 "2013-02-20T03:58:31Z")
Astral, maybe I missed the Diggit mason thing, but is there a point to reversing myself now? Last I recall someone reversed their vote on day two (?) and got lynched over it. I earn votes for saying I’m a noob, I earn random votes for pancakes, I earn votes for being quiet, I earn votes for posting. You tell me what I am supposed to do. unvote DiggitCamera Hurr durr he just unvoted the mason, he’s scum for sure. smdh ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2013, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1342 "2013-02-20T04:08:30Z")
Man, what is with all the fatalism in this game? I don’t understand how you can vote for someone who is by all accounts most likely to be town out of anyone playing the game, and then get angry when we point it out. ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2013, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1343 "2013-02-20T04:13:24Z")
> [@orthohedron](#): > > Astral, maybe I missed the Diggit mason thing :eek: :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2013, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1344 "2013-02-20T04:18:56Z")
> [@orthohedron](#): > > Astral, maybe I missed the Diggit mason thing, but is there a point to reversing myself now? Last I recall someone reversed their vote on day two (?) and got lynched over it. In any case, it was DiggitCamara himself who was almost lynched on Day 2 before revealing himself as a mason, and then Chucara wore the noose instead. You never voted on Day 2. ---
**Author:** ![orthohedron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ba8739/32.png) [@orthohedron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orthohedron)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2013, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1345 "2013-02-20T04:41:44Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > In any case, it was DiggitCamara himself who was almost lynched on Day 2 before revealing himself as a mason, and then Chucara wore the noose instead. You never voted on Day 2. I never said I voted on day two. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2013, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1346 "2013-02-20T04:49:16Z")
I know you didn’t. You did, however, indicate you were following along on Day 2, but you missed Diggit’s claim and didn’t get a vote in. That kinda pinged me. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2013, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1347 "2013-02-20T04:52:27Z")
Anyway, regarding the early Stan voters. Tentative findings time. The first batch of early votes for Stanislaus were Cometothedarksidewehavecookies, Dizzymrslizzy, Mahaloth, and TexCat. Guiri and Choie also jumped on board in this time period, but I’ve ruled them out as scum for _reasons._ 😃 Cookies kicked off the wagon with a quick snap vote. I questioned her yesterDay and found nothing warranting a vote, and she had been birddogging Stanislaus for a while anyway, so tacking on a quick vote for the barn message isn’t weird. A-OK here. Dizzymrslizzy is where things get cooking. Here is the entirety of her vote: > [@Dizzymrslizzy](#): > > I also see no harm in voting Stan and seeing if the barn writing is true. > > **Vote: Stan** This bothers me for a number of reasons. My handy-dandy vote chart indicates that Dizzy never voted for Stan before, and I don’t remember Dizzy ever intimating suspicions towards Stanislaus either. Dizzy, if I’ve missed any post that you mention suspecting Stan, please point it out to me. Given that, and especially given that Dizzy makes no effort to explore the ramifications of the barn message, leads me to believe Dizzy is jumping on an opportunistic wagon for town cred. It also betrays a backwards attitude towards the barn message… as I said elsewhere, the point of the game isn’t to prove or disprove barn messages. Mahaloth is next with this vote: > [@Mahaloth](#): > > I know, but I think that it is likely that someone who is > a detective made a lucky early find and posted it. What bothers me about this post is that Mahaloth is consistently undeterred about the accuracy of the barn message. Throughout the day, his resolve towards seeing Stanislaus dead is never shaken. Further, Mahaloth is not a new player to Mafia, so one of his justifications for voting Stanislaus (“We have to find out if the barn is accurate.”) doesn’t sit right with me. That leads me to two possible conclusions (which, to be fair, are not the _only_ possibilities). I’ve gone back and forth on whether or not to post this following paragraph, but have ultimately decided its in town’s interest if I’m right. So… If I were scum and Mahaloth wasn’t on my team, I’d seriously consider him as a good candidate for detective, and I’d nightkill him. Please note, this is **not** a fishing exercise, and Mahaloth, you should feel free to stay silent on this issue if you want. However, I believe it’s in town’s best interest to point out what I see as a potential power role. If it seems possible to me, it’s likely scum have noticed it too. They didn’t kill you last night (obviously :)), but they might strike tonight. The other possibility, and one I’d consider strongly if Mahaloth is not the detective, is that he’s scum and looking for town cred. I find it hard to believe Mahaloth could be so sure about Stanislaus without special information one way or the other. Or I’m totally wrong about this, which would be about par for the course for this game. 😃 TexCat is last, and still as troubling for me toDay as it was yesterDay. > [@TexCat](#): > > Unfortunately, the only way I know to prove it is to lynch Stanislaus. Why do you seem convinced that it is not the truth? Do you propose that we just ignore it? This bothers me, but I reread my original case on TexCat, and it pretty much entirely hinged on Stan being town. TexCat still reads as enticing the wagon without putting her imprimatur on it, but I’m not as sold on this being scummy as I was yesterDay. Her other comments seem to indicate she’s willing to lynch Stan, and he response to Meeko is forceful enough, but… I can’t shake the feeling that I’m still right about her, just for the wrong reasons. It doesn’t _feel_ legit, I guess? But my gut’s been just about terrible thus far, so I won’t justify a vote on it. My call: **Vote Dizzymrslizzy.** Lazy vote, lazy gameplay afterwards, no real attempts to find more scum. Dizzy has consistently pegged my scumometer, and my voting will continue to reflect that. I’ll vote Mahaloth if claims/deaths indicate he’s not our cop. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2013, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1348 "2013-02-20T04:59:19Z")
Now that I’ve worked my way through my feelings on dizzy, I’m not as comfortable with my orthohedron vote as I was before. I find dizzymrslizzy to be scummy, and that makes me nervous about sharing a vote with her on orthohedron. Red Skeezix is another lurker I don’t trust, and USCDiver I’m neutral on. The prudent action, then, is votes on Babale and Dizzy, as I’m most comfortable seeing them lynched, and ortho dropping to third. **Unvote orthohedron.** **Vote Babale.** If ortho is lynched, I won’t lose any sleep over it. Just updating my current thoughts on the game. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2013, 8:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1349 "2013-02-20T08:05:16Z")
Better late than never= I have a problem getting in here from work I made my case on \*\* babale \*\* yesterday and fully intended t o return the vote this Day Since a dust up recently occurred about me not being a fan of joining wagons I don’t want to start another mess by breaking the pattern ( I don’t think you’ll need me to lynch them today ) - that and I think there is a tie and I can’t choose just one- at this time \* \*\* vote: Suburban \*\* For ( as previously noted by myself and others ) his confusion? About “ not the alpha”- he knows better than that And then eventually voting for Stan when the lynch was inevitable Detailed cases with linkies are more difficult on this board --I’ll just point back to the quotes that \*\* TexCat \*\* made [post 1325](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=16025243&postcount=1325) IIRC \*\* cookies \*\* had the same problem but I can’t remember where that vote went= off to check ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2013, 8:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1350 "2013-02-20T08:10:26Z")
> [@orthohedron](#): > > I honestly don’t go for the inconclusive, often wrong infighting. I’m still waiting for someone to come up with a logical (well explained) argument as to who the scum is/are and why. Capricious and arbitrary… Cosmo Kramer, it was a Seinfeld reference that seemed to have slipped past you the way you jumped on me for saying it. > > I haven’t voted or added anything because I have no powers, and I have no valid information other than my assigned role. I didn’t jump on the Stan bandwagon, and frankly I’m surprised that he turned out to really be scum with our Town to Scum death ratio. > > ~~snipped~~ You are waiting for a ‘power role’ to claim and tell you where to vote? Most of us have only the game thread to gain information- the game is best played that way with the other bits as icing- now I really can’t choose between the top two ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2013, 8:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1351 "2013-02-20T08:42:15Z")
> [@DiggitCamara](#): > > To be honest, I’m loathe to edit my role PM at all. > > And I want to reveal my complete role PM even less, at least for now. There’s information in it which would help my fellow mason identify him/herself after all… can you restate this ( as asked before- it’s sideways a tad) ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2013, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1352 "2013-02-20T12:51:04Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > can you restate this ( as asked before- it’s sideways a tad) I’m sorry if you don’t understand it but I thought I was pretty clear: I don’t want to reveal my role PM for now because it contains information which, in case of my demise, would make it pretty easy for Scum to fake they’re masons. This way, my fellow mason can use his/her role PM to reveal him/herself. We’re having a pretty close race between ortho and Babale right now. The way I see it, **Babale** has been pretty clear as to why he hasn’t participated until now: he’s been having some hectic days at work. Now, even though it’s an easy excuse to wield, I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. ortho, on the other hand has been kind of all over the place: not having any insight on anything as a reason not to participate (or even vote). Voting on me and offering as an excuse not having noticed my claim as a mason (and all the surrounding discussions)? That’s skimming. That’s a scum tell. Also: the last “flurry” of posts from him/her has been exclusively an effort to defend him/herself. No analysis of anything, nothing of substance if you look at it. Red Skeezix has at least pointed out that he’s been voting during past Days. That at least is leaving some trail to follow. So, for now: **Unvote Babale Unvote Red Skeezix** ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2013, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1353 "2013-02-20T14:21:52Z")
Diggit, scum probably won’t want to fake being a mason. Even if you have them an airtight claim to fake, they’d still be counterclaimed by your remaining mason buddy. Even if they DID claim, the eventual counterclaim means that we’re trading a mason for a scum in the _worst-case scenario._ Do you have any further objections to claiming? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2013, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1354 "2013-02-20T14:31:30Z")
Eh… what I’m seeing from Ortho is mainly a lot of ineffective flailing around as he tries to compensate for basically not playing the last few weeks. Not knowing about MasonGate™ is more or less proof positive that he wasn’t paying attention. I’m willing to attribute any scum whiffs to that. Having said that, there are four players who have been lurking more. I’d rather see 'em lynched. I’m not going to spend the rest of the day defending him, but nor will I be surprised if he flips town. tl;dr **Diggit,** I don’t think Ortho should be lynched as punishment for trying (poorly, awkwardly) to begin participating while lurkers who continue to lurk get passes. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2013, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1355 "2013-02-20T15:41:53Z")
Fair waning to anyone composing big posts, I’ve had a few network timeouts from the board this morning. Copy your text before hitting “submit!” Practice safe internets today! ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2013, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1356 "2013-02-20T17:44:22Z")
I can support an Ortho death. He’s flailing. **Vote Ortho** ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2013, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1357 "2013-02-20T17:45:39Z")
Astral, you are quite wrong in your recent analysis about me. I have nothing further to add at this time other than I was not sure about the Barn, but felt the odds were in its favor. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2013, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1358 "2013-02-20T17:46:59Z")
This low-discussion push to lynch ortho makes me extremely skittish of actually lynching him. Mahaloth, who else do you believe could be scum? ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2013, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1359 "2013-02-20T17:48:02Z")
Simulpost. Okay, if you say you aren’t the cop… **Vote Mahaloth.** ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2013, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1360 "2013-02-20T18:01:14Z")
Here are Mahaloth’s first few posts of the Day: > [@Mahaloth](#): > > I’m voting Stan once I’m not mobile. Having a terrible time coding on taps tapatalk. **We have to find out if the barn is accurate.** > [@Mahaloth](#): > > I know, but I think that it is likely that someone who is a detective made a lucky early find and posted it. > \*\* > Vote Stan\*\* > [@Mahaloth](#): > > Well, I would if I found a wolf. No doubt. He totally glosses over Guiri’s correction of his statement. In fact, the closest he came to expressing any doubt that I saw was this post: > [@Mahaloth](#): > > If you explained your reasonings, forgive me, I must have missed it. Why don’t you believe it? It’s a bold move and I think too bold to be fake. Or at least way more likely to be real than fake. Which, again, is pretty sure. It bothers me that he then practically stopped playing. No further votes on any other players. It really seems to me that he got in early, went for the town cred, and then sat back. Most of the rest of his conversation was spent reiterating his vote. Today, too, I’m not buying his vote. One other bit of weirdness that really wasn’t commented on yesterday. When discussing Stan’s win condition, how did Mahaloth miss that _the very first sentence_ was missing? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635.md?page=67) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635.md?page=69)