# Mafia - Game in progress \[Edited title\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [January 9, 2013, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635 "2013-01-09T16:03:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 72
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2013, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1421 "2013-02-21T15:17:01Z")
Fair enough. Thanks for commenting! By the way, Diggit… if you’re around, are you still opposed to showing town your role PM? I’m a _tiny bit_ bothered by how you just kinda pushed that aside with no further comment. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2013, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1422 "2013-02-21T15:25:14Z")
No reason to be coy, I guess. Here’s why I’m asking: There’s an _outside_ chance we could have a scum mason, as we discussed a few days ago. It’s remote, but not worth ignoring when we can easily try to check for it. I wanted you to post your PM so that if there was anything that indicated you had edited it for nefarious purposes, our other mason could claim and out you. Now a better thought occurs to me. It would be more advantageous if you claimed most but not all of your role PM. Then, when your other mason claims (and if you’re still alive), that person can claim the other portion of the PM. Then you can examine each other’s claims, and town can pretty much rest easy. Unless Story wrote divergently different PMs to you guys, this should work, and your earlier comments indicate you think your PM is standard. Now, really, I’d put the odds of us having a scum mason at much less than 10%, but I honestly don’t see any potential harm to town or benefit to scum, so… here I am, proposing it! ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2013, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1423 "2013-02-21T15:27:31Z")
> [@storyteller0910](#): > > ## Vote Count, Day Four 4 votes [ul][li] Suburban Plankton – TexCat (1325), Lightfoot (1349), Mahaloth (1364), USCDiver (1366)[/ul][/li] 2 votes [ul][li]Mahaloth - Red Skeezix (1329), Astral Rejection (1359)[/ul][/li] > > Day to end today at 2:00PM Eastern, or in just over five hours. **Correction needed here.** Post 1364 is **Suburban Plankton** voting for **Mahaloth** , not the other way around. And post 1366 is \*\*USCDiver \*\*voting for **Mahaloth** , not **Suburban**. Also, \*\*LightFoot’s \*\*vote was Post 1349, not 1359…though I don’t know if that makes any difference. The count should read: 4 votes [ul][li]Mahaloth - Red Skeezix (1329), Astral Rejection (1359), Mahaloth (1364), USCDiver (1366)[/ul][/li] 2 votes [ul][\*]Suburban Plankton – TexCat (1325), Lightfoot (1349)[/ul] ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2013, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1424 "2013-02-21T15:30:44Z")
You’ve got \*\*Mahaloth \*\*voting for himself on #1364. You mean **Suburban Plankton**. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2013, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1425 "2013-02-21T15:31:42Z")
You might want to revise your revised count… 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2013, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1426 "2013-02-21T15:31:42Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > In the five remaining hours, can we get a little more discussion of dizzy and Mahaloth? At least put your feelings on them in the thread. I’ve given my feelings on **Mahaloth** , but I’ll admit I don’t have a read on **Dizzy** …I blame my relative inattention to the game over the past couple of weeks. Is that case based mainly on her reaction to the Barn message and **Stanislaus**? Can someone give me a brief rundown so I know where to go back and look? ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2013, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1427 "2013-02-21T15:32:42Z")
Johnny, what are your thoughts on Babale, orthohedron, Mahaloth, and dizzy? ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2013, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1428 "2013-02-21T15:35:43Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > You’ve got \*\*Mahaloth \*\*voting for himself on #1364. You mean **Suburban Plankton**. > [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > You might want to revise your revised count… 🙂 Grrrrr…see kids, this is why copy/paste is \*not \*always your best friend… :mad: How’s this look? 4 votes [ul][li]Mahaloth - Red Skeezix (1329), Astral Rejection (1359), Suburban Plankton (1364), USCDiver (1366)[/ul][/li] 2 votes [ul][li]Suburban Plankton – TexCat (1325), Lightfoot (1349)[/ul][/li]I’m of to get my second cup of coffee now. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2013, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1429 "2013-02-21T15:43:35Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > I’ve given my feelings on **Mahaloth** , but I’ll admit I don’t have a read on **Dizzy** …I blame my relative inattention to the game over the past couple of weeks. Is that case based mainly on her reaction to the Barn message and **Stanislaus**? Can someone give me a brief rundown so I know where to go back and look? I dinged her in 1032 for her weak vote on Stan, and Cookies brought up her weak vote for Diggit in 1043. Of course, she also voted Choie after Choie died. You’d think scum would know who died each night, but with multiple kills, there’s no reason to assume scum were necessarily responsible, so that’s a null tell. At the very least, voting for a dead person indicates some level of dishonest case-making, as dizzy didnt particularly research too deeply into Choie before placing that vote. On the OTHER other hand, I’ve done that once before as town. :smack: It all comes down to how you read her, as she hasn’t given us much to go on. Short, weak votes, little casemaking, and a lot of going with the flow. For all my faults, you guys know exactly where I stand on most issues, and I’m a little iffy on people who aren’t as forthcoming. ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2013, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1430 "2013-02-21T15:51:22Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > No reason to be coy, I guess. Here’s why I’m asking: > > There’s an _outside_ chance we could have a scum mason, as we discussed a few days ago. It’s remote, but not worth ignoring when we can easily try to check for it. I wanted you to post your PM so that if there was anything that indicated you had edited it for nefarious purposes, our other mason could claim and out you. > > Now a better thought occurs to me. It would be more advantageous if you claimed most but not all of your role PM. Then, when your other mason claims (and if you’re still alive), that person can claim the other portion of the PM. Then you can examine each other’s claims, and town can pretty much rest easy. Unless Story wrote divergently different PMs to you guys, this should work, and your earlier comments indicate you think your PM is standard. > > Now, really, I’d put the odds of us having a scum mason at much less than 10%, but I honestly don’t see any potential harm to town or benefit to scum, so… here I am, proposing it! **storyteller** guarantees there ain’t no scum masons around, but here goes anyway: > [@edited PM](#): > > Welcome to the game; you are (snipped) (The Third Witch). > > You know the trope: a circle of three, cautiously experimenting with Powers Beyond the Understanding of Mortal Men, meet in the woods to perform secret rites and play whatever the medieval version of Words With Friends happened to be. You are played by (snipped). On the plus side, your work will probably be the main outlet for the film’s tiny CGI budget, and at least you’ll have someone to talk with between takes. > WIN CONDITION: > You are Town. You win when all Scum are dead, if and only if no third party win condition triggers before or simultaneously with yours. > > SPECIAL ABILITIES: > Well, for starters, you are Masons. (snipped list of masons). All of you can be assured that the others are definitively and permanently Town, and no power in the game will change that. Now, you’re not the chatty kind of Masons – have to keep indoors when there are killers about, after all – so there’s no Night talking for you, and your only Day talk will have to be in the game thread. > > Other than that? Well, you have access to a number of lesser spells, but little that will be of use against killers such as those you now face. > (snip) I snipped pretty selectively, but I guess there are two parts which on a fully disclosed PM would make or break recognition (if I’m absent, of course). Mostly because I think that **storyteller** ’s story telling style is pretty much inimitable 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2013, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1431 "2013-02-21T15:54:51Z")
I’ve given my thoughts on \*\*Babale \*\*and Ortho. Out of the two of them, I’d prefer to lynch the former. The fact that Babale hasn’t voted since Day One, and that he withdraw both his votes on that day, pings me as incredibly suspicious. I’ve got no read on Dizzy. Sorry. I probably need to backtrack through the thread and review the votes currently on her, but I may not have time before the end of the day. Mahaloth’s role slip is bad news and he probably deserves to be lynched for it, though I feel more strongly about taking care of lurkers right now. If I were the investigator I would probably want to check him out tonight. If he’s a townie, he’s a good vocal one and we’ve already lost several vanillas who were valuable because they contributed heavily. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2013, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1432 "2013-02-21T15:55:32Z")
I didn’t (couldn’t!) know about that guarantee, sorry. I guess my tiny shred of reserved suspicion for you was unwarranted. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2013, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1433 "2013-02-21T16:00:42Z")
Here’s the biggest issue with a Babale lynch: we are no closer whatsoever to finding scum. We can’t use his lynch record, because he has none. We can’t use his comments, because he hasn’t posted in 16 days. It’s a total null day for town, and I didn’t realize how bad it was until I just went and checked. I would **absolutely** prefer to lynch someone with a record we can examine. We’ve done very little looking at who our now-known town has suspected. I’m gonna do better about that toMorrow. Babale’s lynch, to kinda quote the bard, shall yield us little. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2013, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1434 "2013-02-21T17:00:49Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > Mahaloth’s role slip is bad news and he probably deserves to be lynched for it, though I feel more strongly about taking care of lurkers right now. If I were the investigator I would probably want to check him out tonight. If he’s a townie, he’s a good vocal one and we’ve already lost several vanillas who were valuable because they contributed heavily. This pinged me, because one of the reasons I was thinking of voting \*\*Mahaloth \*\*just before his slip was that I thought he was \*\*\*not \*\*\*being a “good, vocal Townie”. So I went back and reviewed all his posts: ``` DAY 1 ``` 204 - fluff 209 - asks for link to “pizza plan” 230 - follow up to 209 231 - vote ryjae for making a stupid point 299 - comment on pizza plan 337 - unvote ryjae, vote chucara for “pancakes” 407 - vote johnny bravo for squabbling with pizza 423 - fluff 429 - comment to johnny bravo about his vote 458 - comment to johnny bravo about his vote 489 - comment about meeko being confusing 511 - fluff 512 - fluff 583 - doesn’t see the case on pizza 610 - comment on voting strategies ``` DAY 2 ``` 715 - comments on barn messages 718 - followup to 715 747 - comment on coding of barn messages 763 - vote diggit for wanting masons to claim 767 - fluff 794 - unvote (after diggit’s mason claim) 799 - vote choie for her tone of frustration 814 - comment to choie 834 - comment to fubbleskag about misquote 863 - vote chucara to break tie ``` DAY 3 ``` 972 - will vote stan once not mobile, to fins out if barn is accurate 982 - vote stan 985 - would use barn post if he found a wolf 1030 - comment about investigators 1062 - asks astral why he doesn’t believe the barn message 1090 - comments about barn message, we should lynch stan 1096 - comment about barn message 1097 - disagrees with astral about barn message 1108 - thinks stans’ claim is fake, but his wincon matches 1111 - posts wincon 1115 - comment go guiri 1129 - realises stan’s wincon doesn’t match his 1132 - comment go guiri 1141 - apology for a comment about meeko 1163 - defends day 2 vote 1167 - defends day 2 vote 1216 - fluff comment about red skeezix vote 1220 - fluff comment about uscdiver’s signature 1224 - fluff ``` NIGHT 3 ``` 1242 - fluff 1247 - fluff comment on stanislaus thought process on day 3 DAY 4 1269 - Barn is interesting, Masons should remain quiet for now 1270 - fluff 1282 - mason should not claim 1288 - question to meeko 1289 - vote meeko for dropping participation level 1295 - comment to meeko about vote 1315 - vote babale and skeezix for non-participation (mis-formatted) 1321 - repost of 1315, correctly formatted 1324 - comment on stanislaus bandwagon 1356 - vote orthohedron for “flailing” 1357 - defends himself to astral, comment on barn message 1363 - claims Vanilla Town, “movie extra” 1375 - corrects claim, posts PM 1401 - fluff 1413 - fluff I guess he’s been “vocal” enough, but it doesn’t seem like he’s really had all that much to say, and his votes don’t seem to have much, if anything, to back them up in nearly every case. ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2013, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1435 "2013-02-21T17:32:49Z")
Yeah, I’d be fine with an **ortho** or **Mahaloth** lynch. Ortho’s lurking and not voting is unhelpful to Town, but really it was his reaction to his first couple of votes (a flurry of posts and poorly reasoned votes) that have cemented his lynch in my mind. As for **Mahaloth** , twice he has been mistaken about Role PMs. Once he didn’t recognize Stan’s WinCon discrepancy (or purposefully acted like it was adequate) and Today didn’t know the Vanilla Role name while claiming to be Vanilla. He admitted he was mistaken but only after there had been discussion and then he had only to cut and paste our Mod provided Vanilla PM. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2013, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1436 "2013-02-21T17:38:23Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > What does “softing” mean, anyway? Voting for? soft claiming assuming you have the same PM as posted myself- I never give any role an identical PM ( even vanilla ) - and story is a storyteller my initial comment was with that mind set If I was Scum - I would be damn familiar with the sample PM and would not have started this ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2013, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1437 "2013-02-21T17:47:22Z")
I think you’ve misunderstood. Storyteller posted “the” town vanilla PM. If _you_ were vanilla, you’d have the same one. If Story provided separate PMs to every player, he’d have no reason to post a sample. Scum couldn’t use it for false claims, and couldn’t use it as protection against a handshake or mass claim. Further, all of our dead vanilla townies have been “Peasant Redshirts.” Mahaloth (eventually) claimed Peasant Redshirt. You said the claim looked good, and expressed no familiarity of any part of it, thus outing yourself as someone who did not receieve that PM. You can’t draw conclusions from Cookies and I about anything further than what’s publicly available. So, let’s say you’re the cop, or town who otherwise has access to information. I’d say post it now, because you’re certainly a target if you’re not scum. Which, to be fair, is how I’m leaning on you. This soft defense of Mahaloth and irritation at Cookies and I for paying attention to the game is odd. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2013, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1438 "2013-02-21T17:48:27Z")
Clarifying: I meant to state I now find LightFoot suspicious, which (while stated) was not clear. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2013, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1439 "2013-02-21T17:51:13Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > soft claiming > assuming you have the same PM as posted > > myself- I never give any role an identical PM ( even vanilla ) - and story is a storyteller > > my initial comment was with that mind set > If I was Scum - I would be damn familiar with the sample PM and would not have started this OK, fine. You’re not Scum; you’re a Power Townie. I still don’t know what you got so worked up about. It was blatantly obvious from your reaction that you had no idea that \*\*Mahaloth’s \*\*PM was identical to the sample, from which it was barely any effort at all to conclude that you didn’t have a Vanilla Town PM. I don’t see what harm it did for **Astral** , **Johnny** , or anyone else to mention that fact “out loud”. I always play under the assumption that if _I’v_e noticed something in the game (a slip someone’s made, an unintentional reveal, etc.), then the Scum have also noticed it, if for no other reason than they have multiple sets of eyes looking at things. And for that reason, it’s best to publicly reveal whatever it is that you find, so that it will become ‘common knowledge’. Nobody asked you for a claim. Nobody accused you of being Scum. They just pointed out that you appear to have revealed yourself as being something other than Vanilla Town, which most of us probably would have figured out anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2013, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1440 "2013-02-21T17:55:09Z")
Well, I’m _kinda_ leaning scum on LightFoot now, but otherwise Subs is spot on. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635.md?page=71) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635.md?page=73)