# Mafia - Game in progress \[Edited title\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [January 9, 2013, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635 "2013-01-09T16:03:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 77
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2013, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1521 "2013-02-24T00:26:13Z")
By the way: **Vote Babale** My reasons haven’t changed from yesterday. His last post that wasn’t “sorry I’m not here!” was on the 23rd of last month. If he’s just not playing, then he should be replaced, but I’m happy to push for a lynchin’. A worse scenario is that he’s just been quietly lurking during the day and peforming SK kills at night. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2013, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1522 "2013-02-24T00:38:25Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > A worse scenario is that he’s just been quietly lurking during the day and peforming SK kills at night. My obsessive re-reading of my own posts (damn the edit window!) made me realize that my implication here is that **Babale** could be the SK but not scum. The author did not intend such an implication, though I suppose it strikes me as less plausible that any single scum, who has to work with a team and try to sway our actions, would lurk for this long. Anyhow, carry on. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2013, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1523 "2013-02-24T00:58:34Z")
**vote USCDiver** YesterDay came down to a three person race between **orthohedron** , **Mahaloth** , and **Babale**. \*\*USCDiver \*\*was the only person voting for two of the three. I find it suspicious in multi-vote games when people don’t make a choice in such situations. It’s one thing to have a vote on one of the leaders and also votes on non-contenders, as a way of saying “I think these people might be Scum too”, but voting for multiple lynch candidates suggests that you’re really OK no matter who goes to the gallows. Also, one of our “Confirmed Townies” thinks he’s suspicious. And as long as I’m following the instructions of dead people, **vote LightFoot** Her reaction to being ‘outed’ yesterDay was just too much. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2013, 7:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1524 "2013-02-24T07:47:50Z")
My knee jerk reaction was to ignore \*\* choie \*\* to a certain extent- as in not respond much to her / their theories — being a zombie and all But She claims to have not been sent a PM with the “ zombie rules”\* let alone be notified that she was undead—and then adds > [@](#): > > Only other thing I can add, or at least guess, is that I’m assuming people who were returned to life, aka me, Pizza and ortho, were allowed back in because we didn’t sign up for the spoiler board, assuming there is a spoiler board. Do our zombies know more than they are telling? ( not that we can do much about it anyway- except bring salt ) Note at the beginning of this day the mod said “If you have to ask whether you can target them with a Night action, you can’t “ — could this mean that some players can- and have been told so? - - wouldn’t there have to be zombie rules? \* ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2013, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1525 "2013-02-24T14:53:29Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > Note at the beginning of this day the mod said “If you have to ask whether you can target them with a Night action, you can’t “ — could this mean that some players can- and have been told so? > \* I originally read that as a kind of tongue-in-cheek joke, like “if you have to ask, you can’t afford it.” Your interpretation makes a lot more sense. It could be that we have a third party who has to raise zombies and maybe a separate third party who has to kill them? The latter seems unlikely, though, since Pizzaguy’s been around since Day 2. Either way, the barn post would be a lot more believable without the \*\*pizzaguy \*\*note. The specific note from **storyteller** that Pizzaguy _cannot act_ makes it difficult to consider how ‘involved’ could mean anything more than having knowledge, but what does he care? Even if it turns out that he’s a bad guy now it’s not like we can lynch him or even shut him up. Without further information, today’s barn post seems like a wash. ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2013, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1526 "2013-02-24T16:40:07Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > My knee jerk reaction was to ignore \*\* choie \*\* to a certain extent- as in not respond much to her / their theories — being a zombie and all Yeah, that’s pretty much what people did when I wasn’t a zombie, so why should it change now? But it’s natural you wouldn’t want to respond to me, because you’d rather ignore the implications of your incredibly obvious slip. > [@](#): > > She claims to have not been sent a PM with the “ zombie rules”\* let alone be notified that she was undead—and then adds {snip} > > Do our zombies know more than they are telling? ( not that we can do much about it anyway- except bring salt ) Um… how do you get that I know more than I’m telling when I just explicitly said, or at least guessed, that the only reason the specific people who’ve been zombified have been allowed back in is probably because we’re not spoiled? For example, I remember **Silver Jan** asked to be spoiled right after her death, and I don’t see her shuffling around here looking for brains, do you? I’m also assuming **Guiri** was spoiled, because why on earth would anyone bring me or barely-participitory **ortho** back over him? I wonder if whoever is bringing people back–whether it’s Town or Third Party (I don’t see why Scum would do this, but who knows)–maybe gets a choice of whom they can resurrect from a list of people who aren’t spoiled. Maybe that’s why there’ve been no zombies since **Pizza** ; perhaps all the rest signed up to get spoilers. All I know is, since I know _I_ have no spoilers–and because there had been a discussion about the thread I started in here–I wanted to reassure people that nope, I’m as utterly ignorant as I was when I was killed. And I extrapolated the rest from this fact, because it just wouldn’t be fair to let spoiled people back in the game. The only real value I have is that Town should know my motives are pure. That doesn’t mean I have any other special knowledge. I’ve been wrong about **Guiri** , **Astral** and **Stanislaus** (well, I kinda changed my mind about him after his claim but didn’t bother to re-vote for him because by that point I just didn’t give a damn) so heaven knows no one should automatically trust my feelings just because I’m confirmed Town. But you made a big screw-up, **LightFoot** , basically revealing you’d never seen (or didn’t even recognize) the Town PM–apparently you don’t even remember **story** posting it. At first I thought it was scummy for **Astral** and **Cookies** to leap on you like white on rice for that slip, because it seemed they were fishing about a Town power role. But that was before Dawn arrived and you were still alive. While I’ve got no special knowledge about anything, or quite frankly even any regular knowledge as is evident by my voting record, even I’m not stupid enough to ignore the potential implications of you surviving the Night. > [@](#): > > - wouldn’t there have to be zombie rules? \* According to what **story** said in this thread, zombies can’t do anything except talk. No voting and no actions. It’s amazing, I offer up all the info I know and have guessed, I’m known Town, and _still_ people don’t trust me. Why would I bother to mention that there was no PM? What would be the point of offering up that piece of info if it weren’t true? It’s possible **story** just forgot to send me something, but I really doubt it. There are so few zombies that it doesn’t seem likely this type of thing would fly under his radar. Maybe the utter lack of information is intended to mimic the fact that we don’t really matter and just like a “real” zombie, we have no clue as to why we were brought back. I do think it’s bizarre that I didn’t even get a heads-up message, even just a shortie that said something like “hey, you’ve been brought back as a zombie. If you want to participate go right ahead, just know you can’t vote.” But I didn’t. And I thought that was a data point that Town should have. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2013, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1527 "2013-02-24T22:46:35Z")
> [@choie](#): > > Yeah, that’s pretty much what people did when I wasn’t a zombie, so why should it change now? > > But it’s natural you wouldn’t want to respond to me, because you’d rather ignore the implications of your incredibly obvious slip. > > Um… how do you get that I know more than I’m telling when I just explicitly said, or at least guessed, that the only reason the specific people who’ve been zombified have been allowed back in is probably because we’re not spoiled? For example, I remember **Silver Jan** asked to be spoiled right after her death, and I don’t see her shuffling around here looking for brains, do you? > > I’m also assuming **Guiri** was spoiled, because why on earth would anyone bring me or barely-participitory **ortho** back over him? I wonder if whoever is bringing people back–whether it’s Town or Third Party (I don’t see why Scum would do this, but who knows)–maybe gets a choice of whom they can resurrect from a list of people who aren’t spoiled. Maybe that’s why there’ve been no zombies since **Pizza** ; perhaps all the rest signed up to get spoilers. > > All I know is, since I know _I_ have no spoilers–and because there had been a discussion about the thread I started in here–I wanted to reassure people that nope, I’m as utterly ignorant as I was when I was killed. And I extrapolated the rest from this fact, because it just wouldn’t be fair to let spoiled people back in the game. > > The only real value I have is that Town should know my motives are pure. That doesn’t mean I have any other special knowledge. I’ve been wrong about **Guiri** , **Astral** and **Stanislaus** (well, I kinda changed my mind about him after his claim but didn’t bother to re-vote for him because by that point I just didn’t give a damn) so heaven knows no one should automatically trust my feelings just because I’m confirmed Town. > > But you made a big screw-up, **LightFoot** , basically revealing you’d never seen (or didn’t even recognize) the Town PM–apparently you don’t even remember **story** posting it. > > At first I thought it was scummy for **Astral** and **Cookies** to leap on you like white on rice for that slip, because it seemed they were fishing about a Town power role. But that was before Dawn arrived and you were still alive. While I’ve got no special knowledge about anything, or quite frankly even any regular knowledge as is evident by my voting record, even I’m not stupid enough to ignore the potential implications of you surviving the Night. > > According to what **story** said in this thread, zombies can’t do anything except talk. No voting and no actions. > > It’s amazing, I offer up all the info I know and have guessed, I’m known Town, and _still_ people don’t trust me. Why would I bother to mention that there was no PM? What would be the point of offering up that piece of info if it weren’t true? > > It’s possible **story** just forgot to send me something, but I really doubt it. There are so few zombies that it doesn’t seem likely this type of thing would fly under his radar. > > Maybe the utter lack of information is intended to mimic the fact that we don’t really matter and just like a “real” zombie, we have no clue as to why we were brought back. I do think it’s bizarre that I didn’t even get a heads-up message, even just a shortie that said something like “hey, you’ve been brought back as a zombie. If you want to participate go right ahead, just know you can’t vote.” But I didn’t. And I thought that was a data point that Town should have. Not everyone comes back- and by your comments they are only told by the colour you have the same questions about zombies that I do- so no reason for that to be a negative towards me ---
**Author:** ![Dizzymrslizzy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Dizzymrslizzy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dizzymrslizzy)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2013, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1528 "2013-02-25T01:35:58Z")
So **Lightfoot** Care to address the whole Vanilla PM debacle? Do you have a firm answer as to why you aren’t familiar with the standard PM? ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2013, 6:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1529 "2013-02-25T06:32:01Z")
My attempts to get on top of this game seem to always hit a brick wall. We have undead players in earnest now? Sick and tired of people playing an entirely different game than me. Perhaps the adage of “it’s vanilla’s job to die” is jest said in truth. If only it had been It is vanilla’s job to play. Then we might be winning this one. ---
**Author:** ![fubbleskag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fubbleskag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fubbleskag)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2013, 12:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1530 "2013-02-25T12:29:52Z")
sorry guys, but I’ve requested a sub via PM to storyteller. I hate to do this so far into the game, but it’s been well over a week since I’ve been able to pay more than 5 minutes attention to the game and the last thing town needs at this stage is another inactive player. I’ll do what I can to get caught up and weigh in until the sub appears, but I can almost guarantee that won’t happen today. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2013, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1531 "2013-02-25T12:57:28Z")
**Choie** , you’re going way too metagame here. It’s the same problem as with trying to analyze **Storyteller’s** color. Mafia is a game about creating a set of rules and conditions and letting the players interact with them. Storyteller’s job is purely administrative. He deals with modkilling, subbing, and adjudicating the resolution of powers. Players are rising from the dead. The mechanic raising them must be something within the game itself. Either there’s a player operating under a set of rules that involves delays of some kind, or there’s a predetermined set of circumstances that determines if and when a killed player rises as a zombie. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2013, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1532 "2013-02-25T14:23:24Z")
As a sidenote, do games ever shorten the length of the day as the total number of players shrink? ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2013, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1533 "2013-02-25T14:30:08Z")
\*Some games do. OoOoOoOoO! /chain rattles\* ---
**Author:** ![gnarlycharlie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/5f9b8f/32.png) [@gnarlycharlie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnarlycharlie)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2013, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1534 "2013-02-25T16:50:54Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > I’m guessing that \*\*Mahaloth \*\*was not a Scum kill, since I’d think they’d try to just get him lynched Today after his awkward claim yesterDay. > > \*\*Astral \*\*was in my ‘probable Town’ column…but that’s about all I had on him, and I didn’t really have much of a read on \*\*Red \*\*at all; if he left any obvious ‘I’m a Cop’ signs, I didn’t see them. i concur. \*\*Mahaloth \*\*was in hot water so scum would have let him live. perhaps a backup vig is present. > [@TexCat](#): > > Ouch! Way too much carnage last Night. I’m a little surprised to see that Lightfoot survived the night after her slip. > > I hope Pizza checks in soon to shed some light on the barn. I’m not sure I understand why it talks about Demons instead of Wolves or Wolf’s :). And it appears to be directed to the wolves, although we also had a message that the wolves could not kill the serial killer. It is odd that we have an increase in zombies at the same time the barn says we have an increase in 3rd party. I am thinking that they must be related some way, but I can’t come up with a theory that makes sense. My only other thought is that the Demon Hunter needs to hunt more Demons. Those people are wearing red shirts for a reason – so they don’t look like wolves or demons in the woods. seems we have a 3rd party demon whose goal is to zombify a certain number of players as hinted by the demon hunter. as to why \*\*choie \*\*and **ortho** , i’m guessing the demon didn’t want **guiri** joining the discussion. the absence of zombies in other Dawns is worrisome. perhaps the demon gets to zombify in batches, increasing as Days go by. in the meantime, **Vote Babale** **Vote Dizzymrslizzy** for the same reasons as before. i’m looking over the case on **Lightfoot** to see if she deserves a vote. ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2013, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1535 "2013-02-25T17:07:13Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > **Choie** , you’re going way too metagame here. It’s the same problem as with trying to analyze **Storyteller’s** color. Okay. This is the last time I’m participating in this or any other Mafia game because I am _really_ fucking sick and tired of people telling me how it’s played and how I just don’t understand and _blah blah blah condescension_. Meta? This whole game is meta! “Scum players always skim!” “Scum players don’t lurk, unless they do!” At least 50% of so-called “reasoning” in this game involves assessing how Scum behaves based on how you’ve seen Scum act in previous games, or what Received Knowledge says about Scum vs. Town. If it weren’t no one would ever be accused unless they happened to make bad slips like **Stanislaus** and **Mahaloth** – and **Mahaloth** was wrongly accused and nearly lynched for it, you’ll note, so much for your own brilliant deductive reasoning, people. I know there’s an in-game mechanic by which someone or someones unknown is raising the dead. However, **LightFoot** opined that we zombies know more than we’re telling, and I countered that with nope, I know precisely no more than I knew when I died. And because there had been discussion about the stupid thread I started being spoiler-laden, because heaven forefend some little delicate geniuses _not_ look into a thread they know they shouldn’t or do vanity searches for your names while playing Mafia, I repeated that not only were there no spoilers in that thread, but I really really doubt that **storyteller** would allow the raising of anyone who’s spoiled. I mean that’s bleedin’ elementary, don’t you think? Do you seriously think someone who’s been reading a spoiler board would be let back into the game? Meanwhile, I assert strongly that any halfway strategically smart Scum, Town or 3rd Party player would have raised **Guiri**. That’s what I did in my last game after he was killed, when I was _the_ Scum. And no, I’m not saying I’m smart, believe me, but that just shows you how good a move it is, because it makes you look damn good to raise the (seemingly) best player killed – and thus if you’re found out as the resurrector, you can claim Town and a purely noble reasoning. Sure enough, that’s exactly what happened, as people like **Astral** and **Silver Jan** can attest (or could if they were alive). I raised everyone who would be worthwhile to Town and the people who knew I was the resurrector fell right into my trap of cred. Meanwhile a _real_ Town player wouldn’t think twice about raising him rather than two worthless players like me and **ortho**. (No offense intended, **ortho** , but your participation was pretty nil; but you’re new and I’m sure you’ll take maybe one or two games before you’re up to speed, unlike me.) So since **Guiri** _wasn’t_ raised, I figure there has to be a damn good reason. Either the resurrector is either a) a not-very-experienced or not-very-good player who didn’t think of this strategy and had no teammates who would’ve helped him/her make this obvious decision–which means 3rd party–or b) **Guiri** is not allowed back in the game. If it’s the latter, I gave my opinion why that might be. Unfortunately if that’s true, we have a more difficult task in figuring out motives. Or I should say _you_ have a more difficult task, because at this point I totally couldn’t give a damn. For one idiotic moment I thought I again had some investment and even maybe usefulness in the game because I’d been raised so I might as well participate and let Town know what little _I_ know about how I was raised (that is, without any special instructions or WinCon or any notification at all) and possibly _why_ I was raised rather than someone else whom you’d all actually be happy to have back. While I highly doubt it matters if zombie players participate at all, since we’re almost certainly pawns in someone nefarious’s WinCon, I thought I could add some value despite this. Yeah, not so much. Bye. ---
**Author:** ![wombat99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b782af/32.png) [@wombat99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wombat99)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2013, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1536 "2013-02-25T17:16:43Z")
Initial thought about the Dawn color - everyone else who has died has been “killed,” but \*\*Red \*\*was purposely described as just “dead.” That may mean nothing. Regarding \*\*Lightfoot \*\*- having a non-vanilla PM shouldn’t be immediately damning, given that so many vanilla Town have died, how many vanillas can be left? I’m suspicious that she may be being forced into a claim if she is a power role. I don’t get the zombie/demon situation either, or the barn message. Idea: Are the SK’s kills the ones being zombified, and the Wolf kills aren’t? Or vice versa? ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2013, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1537 "2013-02-25T18:11:42Z")
I’m decidedly ambivalent about Lightfoot. My hunch is that scum/3rd party would be less likely to make such a slip due to the hyper-awareness factor, but the same logic would apply to Town power roles too. Everything she’s said since the slip is a null tell that I parse as frustration about the slip and having it pointed out. Any player of any faction could reasonably be frustrated. I’ve had Babale low on my list of likely scum since Day 1, but s/he has been pretty much a non-entity since the early posts about misgivings on the barn. I’m willing to burn a multi-vote to prod for participation at this point. **Vote Babale** I am comfortable with putting a vote again on **Vote Dizzy** She was an early voter on the pre-claiming Diggit. So was Townie Mahaloth, but I still think the logic is sound that scum would be likely to jump on an early wagon forming against anyone who was of a different faction. Texcat and Johnny are the other two that make up the original four of my multi-votes back when I first floated the idea, but they’ve both moved off of my radar over the last cycle, whereas Dizzy has remained. She cried foul at not getting a pass from me for being new, when that wasn’t accurate or relevant. And most recently, she seems to have inverted perceptions from mine about the possible mechanics of zombies that make me suspect that she’s directly involved in those mechanics. choie - It doesn’t sound like your enjoying yourself, and that is unfortunate. All I can say from where I’m sitting is that I don’t sense the personal attacks that you seem to perceive. The only other things I could say are anecdotes about the game based on years (and years, and years) of playing with many of these fine folks that I fear will be interpreted as condescension, so I’ll just leave it at that. Meeko still seems to be swimming upstream towards spawning grounds that I’m not familiar with. Doesn’t mean they don’t exist. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2013, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1538 "2013-02-25T18:12:44Z")
Whoops. **Vote Dizzy** ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2013, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1539 "2013-02-25T18:24:30Z")
> [@wombat99](#): > > I don’t get the zombie/demon situation either, or the barn message. Idea: Are the SK’s kills the ones being zombified, and the Wolf kills aren’t? Or vice versa? **Ortho** and **Pizzaguy** were both lynches. **Choie** was killed at night. The only thing that they have in common, that I can see right now, is that they were all vanilla townies. **Choie** : I’m sorry you’re not having fun. Nothing that I’ve said to you or regarding you was meant with any amount of venom. ---
**Author:** ![Dizzymrslizzy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Dizzymrslizzy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dizzymrslizzy)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2013, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1540 "2013-02-25T18:36:39Z")
> [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](#): > > **Vote Dizzy** > > She was an early voter on the pre-claiming Diggit. So was Townie Mahaloth, but I still think the logic is sound that scum would be likely to jump on an early wagon forming against anyone who was of a different faction. Texcat and Johnny are the other two that make up the original four of my multi-votes back when I first floated the idea, but they’ve both moved off of my radar over the last cycle, whereas Dizzy has remained. She cried foul at not getting a pass from me for being new, when that wasn’t accurate or relevant. And most recently, she seems to have inverted perceptions from mine about the possible mechanics of zombies that make me suspect that she’s directly involved in those mechanics. Actually you are misreading me yet again. I honestly don’t have ANY real perceptions about the mechanics of the zombies. I’m throwing out ideas, if you see I had multiple reasons as to what happened, I didn’t come out and say OMG IT MUST BE XYZ… Isn’t that the point of this game, to bounce ideas off of each other and figure out what the heck is going on? I feel much like Choie right now…I’m damned if I do, damned if I don’t. I’m damned if I’m lost and not posting a lot of volume. I’m damned if I share my thoughts and ideas about what happened. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635.md?page=76) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635.md?page=78)