# Mafia - Game in progress \[Edited title\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [January 9, 2013, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635 "2013-01-09T16:03:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 82
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2013, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1621 "2013-02-27T18:04:11Z")
I’m concerned that the current “revelations” are actually some kind of pre-arranged scenario by our furry friends… Like, for instance, they’d prefer we do not lynch \*\*Cookies \*\*toDay for some reason and thus lead us to lynch \*\*USCDiver \*\*first… Like I said: **Suburban** ’s role PM seems edited to me. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2013, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1622 "2013-02-27T18:12:09Z")
We all (well, most of us) have good reason to get some 3rd parties good and dead, and our chances of doing that can only get better with more information getting onto the table. That is the primary reason for my claim. Rather than continue to horde the scum’s intel while trying to bob and weave around suspicions that would only be growing thicker with time. It was a very quickly made gut call on my part, but that was the motivation behind it. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2013, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1623 "2013-02-27T18:13:52Z")
Neither Diver nor Suburban are wolves, and Town should be looking at them quite carefully while at least entertaining the possibility that I am not lying about that. ---
**Author:** ![Dizzymrslizzy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Dizzymrslizzy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dizzymrslizzy)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2013, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1624 "2013-02-27T18:23:12Z")
/oog/ Story as a fairly new mom for the second time, I completely understand where you are at right now. Congrats, and I wish a quick, healthy, easy labor vibes for your DW and Dear Newborn. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2013, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1625 "2013-02-27T18:29:04Z")
My unofficial count: \*\* Five Votes\*\* _ **USCDiver** _ (Suburban Plankton 1523) (Texcat 1604) (cookies 1608) (wombat 1615) (Johnny Bravo 1620) \*\*\*ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies \*\*\*(dizzylizzy 1553) (wombat99 1569/1615) (Diggit 1574) (USCDiver 1580) (TexCat 1582/1604) (Johnny Bravo 1583/1620) (Lightfoot 1585) (Suburban Plankton 1587) **Four Votes** _ **Lightfoot** _ (Suburban Plankton 1523) (dizzylizzy 1553) (cookies 1573) (wombat 1578) \*\*\*Dizzymrslizzy \*\*\*(gnarlycharlie 1534)(cookies 1537) (wombat 1578) (Lightfoot 1585) **One Vote** \*\*\*Babale \*\*\*(Johnny Bravo 1521/1563) (gnarlycharlie 1534) (cookies 1537/1559) (Lightfoot 1551/1585) (dizzylizzy 1553/1564) \*\*_Suburban **Plankton** _ (Lightfoot 1551) (TexCat 1554/1604) ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2013, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1626 "2013-02-27T18:31:20Z")
I like that you folks didn’t make runaway irreversible wagons on candidates. Kudos to the town for playing smart. How long until round end? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2013, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1627 "2013-02-27T18:32:05Z")
24.5 hours. ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2013, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1628 "2013-02-27T18:33:56Z")
> [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](#): > > Neither Diver nor Suburban are wolves, and Town should be looking at them quite carefully while at least entertaining the possibility that I am not lying about that. Would you mind publishing your PM? For comparison purposes, I mean. ---
**Author:** ![wombat99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b782af/32.png) [@wombat99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wombat99)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2013, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1629 "2013-02-27T18:42:11Z")
\*\* Unvote Lightfoot\*\* Definitely prefer a **Diver** lynch Today. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2013, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1630 "2013-02-27T18:45:21Z")
I already rolled over and gave y’all lots of goodies, but I suppose one more can’t hurt. [QUOTE=storyteller0910] WIN CONDITION: You are Scum. You win when the number of Scum players is greater than or equal to the total number of living non-Scum players, if and only if no third party win condition triggers before or simultaneously with yours. [/QUOTE] ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2013, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1631 "2013-02-27T18:57:19Z")
OK, fair enough. I’ll go ahead and fully claim but in the end I think you will see why I thought it was a good idea to keep things at least a little under wraps. > [@storyteller0910](#): > > Welcome to the game; you are **The Librarian**. > > You are not the typical movie librarian. You are not an attractive female with glasses and a ponytail. No, you are a wrinkled old man. You have been the bookkeeper in town for as long as anyone can remember. In your youth you were a voracious reader and know most of your tomes by heart. In your old age, however, your eyesight has dimmed and you can no longer read. But no worries, you still know where all the books are and you can guide your patrons to their selections. Of course, no one comes to the library anymore, but you could help them if they did. > > WIN CONDITION: > You are Town. You win when all Scum are dead, if and only if no third party win condition triggers before or simultaneously with yours. > > SPECIAL ABILITIES: Licking your finger to turn pages, shushing people who talk too much, looking over the rim of your glasses in a disapproving way, etc. Typical librarian stuff. > > Oh. > > Wait. > > There’s one other matter. Last night, when you went to sleep, your desk was empty. This morning, there is a book on it. It’s a thick book, bound in what is emphatically probably maybe not human flesh. A symbol that you do not recognize is the only label; it is written in what you have convinced yourself is red ink. When you touch the cover, you seem to hear thousands of voices chanting in a terrible dead language; your vision fills with fire and smoke and you smell lilies and decay. > > At this instant, the book is of no moment. You can’t do anything with it; there’s a lynch to plan. But you do have to decide if you will keep it. You may give the book up at any moment. If you do this, it will exit your life and you will never possess it again… but you will have no control over where it will next land. If you keep it, you will learn more about its impact on you, in good time. > > No one knows you have the Book; indeed, no one but you seems even to know it exists. I breadcrumbed this information. Please go back and look at the first letter of my posts from #126-#202. They spell out NECRONOMICON. At Dawn on Day 2 I got the following: > [@storyteller0910](#): > > There are zombies in town! Like most zombies, they wander around aimlessly without any conscious thought. But these zombies are looking for something. Maybe braaaaiiiinsss… or maybe booookkkkkssss. I didn’t get any additional information until Dawn of Day 4 when I got this message: > [@storyteller0910](#): > > As you awaken, you are suddenly aware that there is something amiss. A Demon has come to this Town. You don’t know anything else except it is searching for the Book. Unfortunately, due to your close proximity to the Book over the last several nights, you will appear to be associated with the Demon if someone should investigate you. You may no longer give the Book up. So my interpretation based on this and \*\*Suburban’s \*\*information is that someone has turned into a Demon and is searching for The Book. Presumably they will gain powers above and beyond resurrecting Zombies once they have it. Now that they know where The Book is, I assume it is only a matter of time (like Tonight) before they come to my house searching for it. You can also see why I thought I may have been a “Third Party Miller”. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2013, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1632 "2013-02-27T19:01:58Z")
Why did you want to wait to do a full claim? What’s the benefit of waiting 'till tomorrow? ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2013, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1633 "2013-02-27T19:09:45Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > Why did you want to wait to do a full claim? What’s the benefit of waiting 'till tomorrow? Because now the Demon knows where the Book is. ETA and I was hoping someone would kill his ass Tonight and I could claim without jeopardizing the Town Tomorrow. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2013, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1634 "2013-02-27T19:13:24Z")
Except that we don’t know who the demon is, so the odds of nightkilling him are pretty low. Here’s the real question: if we lynch you, do we prevent the book from falling into 3rd party hands? ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2013, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1635 "2013-02-27T19:16:23Z")
> [@DiggitCamara](#): > > I’m concerned that the current “revelations” are actually some kind of pre-arranged scenario by our furry friends… > > Like, for instance, they’d prefer we do not lynch \*\*Cookies \*\*toDay for some reason and thus lead us to lynch \*\*USCDiver \*\*first… Like I said: **Suburban** ’s role PM seems edited to me. This does not make any sense to me. If the wolves did not want us to lynch Cookies toDay, why did Cookies claim? ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2013, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1636 "2013-02-27T19:21:56Z")
ok, I fully support a lynch of USCDiver now. **unvote Cookies** vote USCDiver Why? Because: if his PM is correct, he has the Book (which if I recall the Evil Dead stories is a VERY IMPORTANT McGUFFIN). The Demon is very likely looking for it as part (if not his whole) win condition. **USCDiver** can’t give it up now, so by toNight the Demon will have the book. I think our only hope is that, by dying, the Book flies away into someone else’s hands (and not the Demon’s). ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2013, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1637 "2013-02-27T19:24:18Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > This does not make any sense to me. If the wolves did not want us to lynch Cookies toDay, why did Cookies claim? It’s possible that \*\*Cookies \*\*has some immunity to the lynch, or that the Wolves have some other method by which her lynch Today would be blocked, redirected, etc. But I don’t see what would stop us from killing her Tomorrow (or Tonight if we have a Vig still), so I don’t know that this makes sense… Or it could be that \*\*Cookies \*\*is a ‘Vanilla’ Wolf and since she was starting to pick up votes they decided to sacrifice her in order to get our help to kill the Serial Killer, since they can’t do that themselves. But if this is the case, I don’t know why Cookies didn’t come out and say “Player X is the Serial Killer, please deal with them for us”…except, of course, that we wouldn’t believe her anyway… ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2013, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1638 "2013-02-27T19:24:54Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > This does not make any sense to me. If the wolves did not want us to lynch Cookies toDay, why did Cookies claim? Maybe that’s the start signal for their plan? 1. Cookies’ sees herself in real danger of being lynched 2. She claims 3. It triggers convoluted plan by wolves Like I said: the point is moot, by now. **USCDiver** ’s claim seems right to me. Unfortunately, for that very same reason, he needs to be lynched… ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2013, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1639 "2013-02-27T19:30:12Z")
> [@DiggitCamara](#): > > ok, I fully support a lynch of USCDiver now. > > **unvote Cookies** > > vote USCDiver > > Why? Because: if his PM is correct, he has the Book (which if I recall the Evil Dead stories is a VERY IMPORTANT McGUFFIN). > > The Demon is very likely looking for it as part (if not his whole) win condition. > > **USCDiver** can’t give it up now, so by toNight the Demon will have the book. I think our only hope is that, by dying, the Book flies away into someone else’s hands (and not the Demon’s). I can’t find a flaw with this reasoning. That’s not to say that everything will be hunky-dory if we lynch \*\*USCDiver \*\*Today, but I’m not sure we have another course of action. And that’s assuming that Diver is telling the truth about his Role and the Book, of course. But if he’s lying, then he’s still a good lynch because he’s no longer Town. ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2013, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/1640 "2013-02-27T19:40:56Z")
Well, if Suburban hadn’t found my apparent Demon stench I might have remained hidden long enough for us to Lynch or Nightkill the Demon. It’s possible that the zombies have to stumble into my House at random in order for the Demon to get the Book. That seems to jive with the Day 2 PM I got. Maybe the Demon is not able to acquire the Book himself. I don’t know what happens to the Book if I am lynched. It may fall into the hands of another Random player (possibly Scum) and the zombies just continue on their merry way. I would guess that is why Suburban has been given the ability to kill of Zombies; to prevent the Demon from ever getting the Book. Why would we risk the chance of the Book being in the hands of an unknown, possibly Non-Town player? We can lynch our known scum Today and Suburban can kill a Zombie Tonight. I think that’s our best option. Killing a Townie and leaving a claimed Scum just doesn’t seem right for some reason! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635.md?page=81) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635.md?page=83)