# \[Mafia game\] The Realm of Phere **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 1, 2012, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480 "2012-04-01T15:04:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 102
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2021 "2012-04-26T00:33:31Z")
> [@Weedy](#): > > Gad, more reads, please. I’ve been lax in my read-giving. I probably won’t be giving many reads tonight, but I’ll try to do better as of tomorrow. I like the inconsistencies that were pointed out about BobArrgh’s post about me, though. ---
**Author:** ![Visorslash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/ee59a6/32.png) [@Visorslash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Visorslash)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2022 "2012-04-26T00:34:48Z")
@ People asking if I’m a double voter I already told you all earlier. Go back and read. @ Toejam or that guy that said something about absolutes. > [@](#): > > In the end it comes down to one thing- if you think of absolutes, you WILL get burned. > If you want my personal Mafia Playing Opinion: > Only Sith deal in Absolutes. Scum will do anything and everything that isn’t expected of them or assumed to be that “scum would never do that” and use that to their advantage. I never said that all people who did it were scum, I said that it was a scum tactic, I probably should’ve added the (my) to it. Because it is, and I don’t trust it. I find it fair grounds to lynch you for it. That’s my 2 cents, and take it or leave it, I don’t particularly care. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2023 "2012-04-26T00:35:14Z")
> [@Weedy](#): > > I think ‘angels’ are called ‘docs’ here, but saying someone was docced didn’t sound right! > > These are my base assumptions, which are pulled completely out of my arse: > There is a Scum team of 3-7 Scum (I think 4-5). The traitor is a godfather and investigates as Town. The Scum team control the Demon’s actions, or to put it another way, the Demon is the colour/in-game description of the Scum team’s actions. They discuss amongst themselves and send in orders, according to their abilites: triple vote Astral, NK Guiri, or whatever, and the Demon acts it out. > > To confound this: > a) ATPG balances games very differently to what I’m used to, and has a lot of creative mechanics twists that are hard to guess at. > > b) The Scum team described above seems over-powered to me, since they practically control the lynch, and have two NKs as well. > > So my assumptions are wrong, but I don’t know where. > > I think all players can attack and defend, and possibly do other stuff, as Day actions. This includes Scum. I don’t think HP matters for the Scum NK, or a vig kill or anything like that. Some people might attack or defend or whatever as Night actions, and hit points may come into play there. > So that’s a lot of assumptions, and could be wrong on every point, but that’s the way I’m thinking at the moment. I like all of this. I don’t think you’re likely to be Scum any more. Toneread. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Visorslash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/ee59a6/32.png) [@Visorslash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Visorslash)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2024 "2012-04-26T00:35:59Z")
> [@](#): > > If we have off-board players who are scum, they might play with your “absolute” view points and may be more simpler minded and foolish. You’re wrong there. ---
**Author:** ![ToeJam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/dfb087/32.png) [@ToeJam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ToeJam)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2025 "2012-04-26T01:47:13Z")
> [@Visorslash](#): > > You’re wrong there. Oh ok. My bad. Here’s your two cents back. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2026 "2012-04-26T02:30:45Z")
> [@Weedy](#): > > I think ‘angels’ are called ‘docs’ here, but saying someone was docced didn’t sound right! > > These are my base assumptions, which are pulled completely out of my arse: > There is a Scum team of 3-7 Scum (I think 4-5). The traitor is a godfather and investigates as Town. The Scum team control the Demon’s actions, or to put it another way, the Demon is the colour/in-game description of the Scum team’s actions. They discuss amongst themselves and send in orders, according to their abilites: triple vote Astral, NK Guiri, or whatever, and the Demon acts it out. > > To confound this: > a) ATPG balances games very differently to what I’m used to, and has a lot of creative mechanics twists that are hard to guess at. > > b) The Scum team described above seems over-powered to me, since they practically control the lynch, and have two NKs as well. > > So my assumptions are wrong, but I don’t know where. > > I think all players can attack and defend, and possibly do other stuff, as Day actions. This includes Scum. I don’t think HP matters for the Scum NK, or a vig kill or anything like that. Some people might attack or defend or whatever as Night actions, and hit points may come into play there. > So that’s a lot of assumptions, and could be wrong on every point, but that’s the way I’m thinking at the moment. you’ve got Town points for this post ( not that I have a bucket of them = and when I catch up it will probably have beeen said better) ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2027 "2012-04-26T02:37:43Z")
> [@Visorslash](#): > > @ People asking if I’m a double voter > > I already told you all earlier. Go back and read. > > @ Toejam or that guy that said something about absolutes. > > I never said that all people who did it were scum, I said that it was a scum tactic, I probably should’ve added the (my) to it. Because it is, and I don’t trust it. I find it fair grounds to lynch you for it. That’s my 2 cents, and take it or leave it, I don’t particularly care. the response to the double vote is a cop- out. I did not see where you addressed it. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2028 "2012-04-26T02:44:31Z")
> [@Visorslash](#): > > You’re wrong there. Who are you quoting here, please Because the “off-boarders” comment torques my tennis shoes. And I want to throw a rock at them. ---
**Author:** ![Visorslash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/ee59a6/32.png) [@Visorslash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Visorslash)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2029 "2012-04-26T03:51:01Z")
I already said I have a double vote. And I was quoting ToeJam. ---
**Author:** ![gnarlycharlie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/5f9b8f/32.png) [@gnarlycharlie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnarlycharlie)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2030 "2012-04-26T05:23:52Z")
> [@Weedy](#): > > If we have a one person Scum team, then this isn’t really a Mafia game. Which I am willing to believe is the case, but how on earth are we supposed to catch a single Scum? What kind of traces would they leave in their posts, what kind of strategy would they have? > > If there is a multi-person ‘neutral’ team with an anti-Town wincon, then they are the Scum team, and the ‘lone Scum’ is a PFK. of course not. haven’t you ever seen a game with one scum? that’s the benefit i get from playing in several boards. it keeps your mind open. i’ve been in games where private communication is not only allowed, it is encouraged. in fact if you don’t you’re considered suspicious. i’ve seen games that started with one scum, OMGUS is not taboo, players are encouraged to vote for a wagon, there is pot stirring and vote loading. there isn’t one correct way to play mafia nor one correct setup of mafia. > [@LightFoot](#): > > And I took a look at \*\* gnarly charlie \*\* > D1 contributions, - I’ve included the link since I didn’t quote the whole post/every post. The bits that got me are the ones I included here. > [Speculation on number of scum](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14939236#post14939236) > [Doesn’t like the votes on Visorslash](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14942075#post14942075) > Posts player gender list > Posts 3 methods to contact him privately > cites D1 votes being usually thin to mosier and septimus ( for their votes on Visorslash) and Votes mosier. > N1+ D2 > [the AWESOME post at the beginning of Night 1](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14947642#post14947642) > I still read that as a wrong board post > But he excused it away [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14950482#post14950482) > > [wonders if there could be one Scum.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14950690#post14950690) > [fubbles could be neutral or 3rd party](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14956216#post14956216) > [supports private messaging among players](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14957810#post14957810) > [his PIS theory](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14959780#post14959780) > States that a vig may have been responsible for one of the kills > [unvotes PetW ( for sounding honest) and reminds us that story and mahaloth have access issues](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14961645#post14961645) > [votes Weedy sounds self protective](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14962141#post14962141) > [the one Scum theorie again.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14967374#post14967374) > [fubbles won’t be lynched anytime soon. Calls choie’s vote a waste](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14967608#post14967608) > [notes landslide on Astral, asks if Astral has claimed. Does not think we should be attacking Lord Phere](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14968536#post14968536) > > back pedals on what I read as a call to vote a wagon @ choie’s vote. > Well, yes loss of hit points are publicly posted. > The last bit is where he was told what Astral had claimed. > > D3 > > Not sure how to read this? > > Again with \*\*choie \*\* and the D1 vote. > Apparently missed \*\* believerer’s \*\* explanation about joining us late. > Questions Mosier. > > This is the third mention of “ only one Scum” What is charlie trying to accomplish with that? > Remember D1 when he speculated 5 or 6? > > I did this for me, and since I went to the trouble I’m sharing it here. > I kept coming back to the one Scum theory and decided to peek harder. peek all you want. what is wrong with speculation about the number of scum? you can say that the way i did it was scummy or suspicious but just speculating? you really think differently. perhaps the only one harder to parse is **meeko**. i speculated more scum because it was still D1. after D1, based on the powers and a review of the color, i felt differently. > [@LightFoot](#): > > Separate post for \* possibly \* clarity > > RE: \*\* gnarly charlie \*\* > > Multiple runs at a theory that is not holding any water. > > Multiple ‘dings’ at \*\* choie \*\* for the “ vote that’s not going to kill anyone ” > > Apparent backpedalling and saying “I didn’t tell you to vote a wagon” > > Now, combine this with the “ awesome” post N1 > > And his eagerness to share all his PrivateMessage contact information to all. D1 > > It just smells funny to me. > Vote gnarly charlie i don’t think there’s been a game where you haven’t voted for me. how many times have you been wrong? by this time i’d thought you’d have a better feel for my game, especially my town one. fortunately for you, many of us, including me, have been able to control our urges to vote you for your play because we’ve seen it before. to answer your arguments: 1. nothing wrong with speculating. players do it all the time. how do you know they don’t hold water? you mean i’m wrong on both 5 to 7 and 1? and you know this how? 2. i already explained that. would you care to argue that her vote on **fubbles** was useful. 3. i didn’t backpedal. i DIDN’T tell her to vote a wagon. quote the post that i did. you’re just twisting my words. i exhorted her to put a vote towards someone who might actually be lynched. 4. the color WAS awesome. anytime a mod puts that much effort to entertain us, it deserves acknowledgment. i bet you thought it was great too but were too chicken to say so because it might seem like gloating or whatever suspicious crap you can call it. 5. eager, sure. ever played with private communication allowed between all players? no? i thought so. if you haven’t and haven’t tried in this game, you’ll never understand. you’ll just be in among those players who think it’s suspicious without actually being able to say why. even if i believe OMGUS votes are okay, i won’t do it now. you’ve been your usual townie playstyle. ---
**Author:** ![ToeJam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/dfb087/32.png) [@ToeJam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ToeJam)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 5:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2031 "2012-04-26T05:31:55Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > Who are you quoting here, please > Because the “off-boarders” comment torques my tennis shoes. And I want to throw a rock at them. I’m sure before this game is up, you’ll want to throw plenty more rocks at me- and plenty of them probably for reasons that have nothing to do with this game. 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 7:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2032 "2012-04-26T07:07:06Z")
If there was only one scum at the start of the game, why would they recruit a player that has already been lynched, as I said before, this would just be silly. If scum can recruit players then surely they would pick someone that most players believe are Town. I have only ever been recruited once and it wasn’t an obligatory recruitment, I could have declined but then I would have been killed at Dawn (all the freemasons could be recruited and they all went for it). If that is the case here and someone has been recruited that could, perhaps, explain why there was only one NK instead of two as there was on N1. Scum could have recruited instead of killing. It does seem plausible that the traitor is using Lord Phere for his/her kills. My most likely Townie list just seems to get longer, **Gaderene Normal Phase Astral Projection Choie Weedy** I would be quite happy to lynch a lurker at the moment, my reason for this is that although\*\* Pizzamod \*\*can kill them off and they are Town then we could possibly have 2 mislynches in one Day. I would rather be in control of who was lynched and not just leave it up to the Mod. I know that we could attack such a player but we haven’t managed to kill anyone that way yet and unless we reach some sort of consensus on who to attack, it’s not likely to succeed. ---
**Author:** ![Weedy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/weedy/32/301_2.png) [@Weedy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weedy)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 8:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2033 "2012-04-26T08:27:40Z")
> [@gnarlycharlie](#): > > of course not. haven’t you ever seen a game with one scum? that’s the benefit i get from playing in several boards. it keeps your mind open. i’ve been in games where private communication is not only allowed, it is encouraged. in fact if you don’t you’re considered suspicious. i’ve seen games that started with one scum, OMGUS is not taboo, players are encouraged to vote for a wagon, there is pot stirring and vote loading. there isn’t one correct way to play mafia nor one correct setup of mafia. I didn’t mean to say it wasn’t correct, but I would have to change the way I thought about the game a lot. Scum have hardly any more information than Town, there is no one to protect, no one to bus. I have no idea how you would find a lone Scum. What kind of things do you look for? ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 10:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2034 "2012-04-26T10:28:01Z")
I’d be interested in engaging in scholarly discussion with other Mages about the options they have for progression beyond the first class change. Please PM me if you can contribute. Many thanks. Now back to picking out a vote target - although I need to get back to jobhunting later. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 10:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2035 "2012-04-26T10:38:41Z")
I’d like to lynch one of the lower-posting players today, I think. Ignoring people like Mahaloth and lilflower unless they turn up again, the least number of posts is Storyteller. (Not an edit – actually I think Believerer might have fewer, will do him next.) [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14937137#post14937137](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14937137#post14937137) – game class and game alignment are distinct things. [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14999562#post14999562](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14999562#post14999562) – is back, not sure if still alive [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14999695#post14999695](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14999695#post14999695) – skimmed to catch up; asks if it’s known what pendants do, whether we actually know anything about death reveals; votes to avoid modkill [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14999695#post14999695](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14999695#post14999695) – questions Visor about need to kill off Mosier [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=15001671#post15001671](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=15001671#post15001671) – really interested in Visor’s thought process on why a tactical difference of opinion merits a lynch [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=15001681#post15001681](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=15001681#post15001681) – believes fubbles must be non-town given his mercenary offer [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=15001681#post15001681](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=15001681#post15001681) – asks him outright whether he is (As an aside, “we’re non-judgmental” cracks me up. I tried that tack, Story, didn’t work. No third parties want to talk to me! Silly beasties. ) [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=15003050#post15003050](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=15003050#post15003050) – giving fubbles a hard time about trying to claim townie-hood while disavowing any need to actually act like one [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=15003070#post15003070](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=15003070#post15003070) – wants people who voted Mosier the first time and aren’t doing so now to justify why not This is not actually a bad topic to push on despite my own opinions. Besides me, Mosier’s voters were Lightfoot, SP, and gnarlycharlie. [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=15003289#post15003289](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=15003289#post15003289) – not comfortable putting a ton of stock in the color Questions for Storyteller: – Visor responded to your challenge of his vote on ToeJam. Comments? – What do you actually mean by saying that fubbleskag has to negotiate? On color: Pizza’s color does mean something, always. The trick – especially in a game where he’s promised to be a bit of a bastard – is to determine what. But if any townie expects me to believe that they are able to control Lord Phere to do stuff, well it’s pretty much getting to the point where I’m going to expect them to claim it. Because right now we have the following list of what Lord Phere has done: Day One – placed three votes late in the day resulting in the lynch of new-guy Mosier over old hands Gadarene (top vote getter) and Astral Rejection (second place). Attacked ToeJam to the tune of 50 hp, the only time Lord Phere has been seen attacking someone during the day and the only time such an attack has not been fatal. Night One – killed glee and Inner Stickler, one physically and one by magic Day Two – placed a triple vote on Guiri early in the day, later changed that to Astral, still later retracted the triple votes and did not replace them. No attacks. Night Two – killed Guiri (physically IIRC) and resurrected Mosier I don’t see the triple vote or the deaths of Inner Stickler or Guiri as plausible to attribute to a town player at all. The low-power attack on ToeJam, maybe. The other two somewhere in the middle, but I still have issues. And people should know that having two scum kills per night (as in night one, and hypothesizing the resurrection replaced the second kill last night) is very common where Pizza comes from, though it does suggest a smaller and highly powered scum team overall. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 10:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2036 "2012-04-26T10:50:28Z")
I just erased half my next post. Grrr. ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 11:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2037 "2012-04-26T11:00:53Z")
> [@Believerer](#): > > On a completely different note, who deserves the pendant and why? I do, of course. **Pendant: MHaye** I don’t see any reason yet why other players should have it (especially since there’s a limit on items in inventory, so anyone voting an item to themselves is implicitly claiming to have less stuff than the maximum.) > [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > If anyone’s got any more resurrections they should strongly consider using it on Guiri. He’s got no reason to hide his light under a bushel anymore; I bet he’d kick some scum ass. I second this. Guiri is the only player I know can contribute to the development of magical knowledge - but, being dead, I can’t talk to him. Unless someone has Speak with Dead available and would cast it on him? > [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > On color: Pizza’s color does mean something, always. The trick – especially in a game where he’s promised to be a bit of a bastard – is to determine what. But if any townie expects me to believe that they are able to control Lord Phere to do stuff, well it’s pretty much getting to the point where I’m going to expect them to claim it. Because right now we have the following list of what Lord Phere has done: > > Day One – placed three votes late in the day resulting in the lynch of new-guy Mosier over old hands Gadarene (top vote getter) and Astral Rejection (second place). Attacked ToeJam to the tune of 50 hp, the only time Lord Phere has been seen attacking someone during the day and the only time such an attack has not been fatal. > > Night One – killed glee and Inner Stickler, one physically and one by magic > > Day Two – placed a triple vote on Guiri early in the day, later changed that to Astral, still later retracted the triple votes and did not replace them. No attacks. > > Night Two – killed Guiri (physically IIRC) and resurrected Mosier > > I don’t see the triple vote or the deaths of Inner Stickler or Guiri as plausible to attribute to a town player at all. The low-power attack on ToeJam, maybe. The other two somewhere in the middle, but I still have issues. I agree with this analysis. Any actions taken by Lord Phere in the game are dictated by players. The actions Phere takes are almost universally anti-Town (except where he executes the lynched player; that’s neutral in my eyes). > [@](#): > > And people should know that having two scum kills per night (as in night one, and hypothesizing the resurrection replaced the second kill last night) is very common where Pizza comes from, though it does suggest a smaller and highly powered scum team overall. I remind you that, in a Clue Mafia on Giraffe, you were a second Mafia kill - something I’m still uncomfortable with as I feel giving the Mafia two kills per Night is a little overpowered.) ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 11:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2038 "2012-04-26T11:25:17Z")
Believer’s actually at 14 posts, so Red Skeezix is next after all. [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14961130#post14961130](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14961130#post14961130) – crap, forgot game started, why did I lose 60 hp, because I didn’t vote? [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14960912#post14960912](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14960912#post14960912) – doesn’t like a post by PetW (“screams scum”) for encouraging townies to vote together and attack Lord Phere; plus a too-easy switch to Gadarene at the end. Votes PetW. [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14961130#post14961130](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14961130#post14961130) – snark at me [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14961214#post14961214](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14961214#post14961214) – multiple responses to others’ posts. To Inner: doesn’t have the information to account for the atypical 60 hp damage. Denies lurking as in following along but not posting; he would have voted then. To Lightfoot “blanket smudge much?” for saying the pool of people not posting much at night will include scum. To choie: “bite me” on a sort-of accusation of atypical behavior, and bringing up the 60 hp thing again. To someone whose post he can’t find: attacking could provide information on other players. To me: can’t be characterized as disappearing if he hasn’t even been around. Also, “bite me”. To Weedy: actually he’s only scum 80% of the time and Weedy has never played with him as town so why should she even go down the road of agreeing with me that Red has been known to disappear as scum? Unvotes, votes Weedy. [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14961291#post14961291](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14961291#post14961291) – on attacks again, thinks it might catch scum in a lie [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14961304#post14961304](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14961304#post14961304) – is just responding to comments; Gadarene might be right that Inner was town (For context, both this post and one previous came after Inner’s death; Gadarene seemed to be questioning why Skeezix would bother to respond if Inner is dead and town.) [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14961428#post14961428](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14961428#post14961428) – concedes that scum might have no need to lie about their role status (making attacks not useful for catching lies), argues death is not always the worst thing that can happen to a townie [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14961501#post14961501](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14961501#post14961501) – scum alignment often enough for scum to lie (response to LF saying his previous post read as odd) [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14961513#post14961513](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14961513#post14961513) – only just realized the good in the reveal is not the same as “town”; could the game get any more convuluted? [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14961552#post14961552](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14961552#post14961552) – “bite me” [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14961563#post14961563](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14961563#post14961563) – doesn’t like choie twice bringing up previous games as a comment on players in this one, only to discount it. Would put a vote on her as third choice if he had one to spare. Questions for Red Skeezix: None. I wish he could or would be around and play without being so clearly irritated by the whole process, but there’s nothing in here that really strikes me as scummy despite my insane levels of paranoia about him. I don’t like the single-day (all in the space of an hour or two IIRC) blast through the game with nothing ever anywhere else – in the context of his clear difficulty in playing scum roles at the moment and exasperation at getting given such roles so often (see the 80% comment), it’s very easy to see this as being what you get when a talented player gets YET ANOTHER role he just plain does not want to play. But there’s nothing that really rings false, either. He’s due to be mod-killed tomorrow if he doesn’t turn up again and for now I’ll leave it at that, but it’s going to be very nearly shoot on sight if he does given he so obviously just wants nothign at all to do with the whole process. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 11:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2039 "2012-04-26T11:32:38Z")
> [@MHaye](#): > > I remind you that, in a Clue Mafia on Giraffe, you were a second Mafia kill - something I’m still uncomfortable with as I feel giving the Mafia two kills per Night is a little overpowered.) Exactly – though I wasn’t thinking of it, he’s done double scum kills even in this group of players. New hypothesis: two night attacks possible from Phere, coming from two different people, though possibly (probably?) both scum. Which could mean that the attacks would change (keeping in mind the elemental alignment thingie) or even cease, should the right people die. I dont’ think this is likely to be a game that’s two kills (or replacement resurrections/whatever) all the way no matter what. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 11:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2040 "2012-04-26T11:36:39Z")
**vote: PetW** Reading Red’s posts reminded me of my issues with him. There was something I wanted to add at one point and never got around to; will do that next before movign on. Need coffee. Damn me for being so lazy toDay. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480.md?page=101) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480.md?page=103)