# \[Mafia game\] The Realm of Phere **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 1, 2012, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480 "2012-04-01T15:04:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 106
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2101 "2012-04-26T19:08:53Z")
> [@gnarlycharlie](#): > > i am troubled by the way **MHaye** seemed to make it seem that **Toejam** ’s vote for **NAF** was suspicious when it was fairly clear to me that it was **NAF** ’s kind of participation that **Toejam** was against. ToeJam’s case relies on misstating NAF’s level of activity to make it worse than it is. He claims, falsely, that NAF has been playing like this for Days. This is _not true_. He did this for _one_ Day, and gave us advance warning it would happen. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2102 "2012-04-26T19:09:23Z")
@ MHaye – Can I be suspicious of both of you? I’m looking at the posts that first pinged me about you, MHaye, and they still do, if slightly less distinctly so due to the overall explosion of suspicion I have about half the game’s players. In this post: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14945094&postcount=321](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14945094&postcount=321) I’m still not a fan of the “this is a sucky bandwagon so someone on it might be scum” approach that you took. I don’t like the handwaving with which Septimus got a pass. I don’t like the implied assumption that the voters are wrong. I don’t like, looking at it now, that you bothered to cast a vote at all on what you characterize in your next post as possibly the weakest vote you’ve ever placed – yet you don’t imply any weakness in the vote post itself, and you spend several hundred words building it. It still looks like a big old basket of wrong to me. You’re doing better against ToeJam today but even here I think you are pushing your case to the point of mis-characterization, as SP just pointed out. I think I might just like your suspect more than I really like your case – makes it hard to judge. Anyway. Your day one vote against Astral also still pings – I still don’t believe that Astral’s lack of actually stating a suspicion against Gadarene is sufficient to justify the vote against him (your 10% reason); and the 90% reason seems to be made up of 70% self-justification. I’m not stating this well and I need to get the kiddo, so here’s the post. [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14945491#post14945491](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14945491#post14945491) As for ToeJam himself, I didn’t much like his vote against Astral and have an overall impression of less engagement with the meat and bones of the game than his posting level would suggest. I’m not sure I can truly justify it in the time left, but am sympathetic to the vote or votes against him. I don’t intend to vote for Believerer. I might consider a vote for NAF. Not sure who else is reasonably in the line of fire right now. Not sure about SP; I get mixed vibes from him. I kind of wish Tanaer had picked up a vote or two today – she pings, Weedy’s comments notwithstanding, but I haven’t been able to focus on her. I’ll be back in about 40 minutes and hope to see one or two candidates I can deal with on the top. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2103 "2012-04-26T19:56:59Z")
Is there anyone around to do a vote count? I could, but would almost certainly get it wrong since I have the kiddo climbing all over me. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2104 "2012-04-26T20:12:18Z")
Dang you all. You do realize it’s 50 minutes to deadline, right? Don’t make me have to try to adjust the vote count to “phere-proof” by myself, please. I will get it wrong even if it’s possible, there’s no question. ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2105 "2012-04-26T20:13:19Z")
Day 3 vote count. This should be up-to-date, but I’d like someone to check the accuracy of my work please. Five votes[ul][li]ToeJam : Visorslash (1,937)[sup]2[/sup], Weedy (2,048), Mhaye (2,053), Septimus (2,097)[/ul][/li] Three votes[ul][li]MHaye : Normal Phase (2,050)[sup]2[/sup], Gnarlycharlie (2,099)[/ul][/li] Two votes.[ul][li]Believerer : Gadarene (1,783), Suburban Plankton (1,892)[/ul][/li] One vote[ul][li]Silver Jan : Astral Rejection (1,873)[/li][li]BobArrgh : Scathach (1,878)[/li][li]NAF1138 : ToeJam (1,934)[/li][li]Gadarene : choie (1,966)[/li][li]GnarlyCharlie : LightFoot (1,987)[/li][li]Suburban Plankton : Believerer (2,065)[/ul][/li] NB : I’ve counted the votes of Normal Phase and Visorslash twice because they are (as I understand things) the double-voters. Also, I’ve listed the people tied on one vote in the order they received the currently standing vote. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2106 "2012-04-26T20:21:46Z")
I have the same. I can vote for ToeJam if needed to put it out of reach of manipulation, but damned if it doesn’t feel weird to contemplate it given where your vote and mine currently are, MHaye. ---
**Author:** ![BobArrgh](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobarrgh/32/2881_2.png) [@BobArrgh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobArrgh)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2107 "2012-04-26T20:24:04Z")
You both missed my vote for NAF1138 in #2100. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2108 "2012-04-26T20:24:58Z")
\*\* MHaye \*\* my quick tally matches your top 3 vote recipients I have NAF with 2 Bob being the most recent. but I may have missed an unvote. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2109 "2012-04-26T20:26:32Z")
I’d prefer MHaye to ToeJam, but I also don’t want it left up to the 3-voter. **Unvote Vote MHaye** I’ll switch to ToeJam if need be, but I hope we can push MHaye over if possible. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2110 "2012-04-26T20:27:12Z")
That’s right, NAF does have two. ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2111 "2012-04-26T20:28:58Z")
Bob and LigthFoot, you are both correct; thanks for the updates. Revised Day 3 vote count. This should be up-to-date, but I’d like someone to check the accuracy of my work please. Five votes[ul][li]ToeJam : Visorslash (1,937)[sup]2[/sup], Weedy (2,048), Mhaye (2,053), Septimus (2,097)[/ul][/li] Three votes[ul][li]MHaye : Normal Phase (2,050)[sup]2[/sup], Gnarlycharlie (2,099)[/ul][/li] Two votes.[ul][li]Believerer : Gadarene (1,783), Suburban Plankton (1,892)[/li][li]NAF1138 : ToeJam (1,934), BobArrgh (2100)[/ul][/li] One vote[ul][li]Silver Jan : Astral Rejection (1,873)[/li][li]BobArrgh : Scathach (1,878)[/li][li]Gadarene : choie (1,966)[/li][li]GnarlyCharlie : LightFoot (1,987)[/li][li]Suburban Plankton : Believerer (2,065)[/ul][/li] NB : I’ve counted the votes of Normal Phase and Visorslash twice because they are (as I understand things) the double-voters. Also, I’ve listed the people tied on one vote in the order they received the currently standing vote. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2112 "2012-04-26T20:33:33Z")
Not sure why we’re lynching ToeJam. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2113 "2012-04-26T20:34:06Z")
I concur with the vote counts. ToeJam - 5 MHaye - 3 Believerer, NAF1138 - 2 5 people with 1 I’m not sold on the \*\*ToeJam \*\*case. Maybe he overstated his case on **NAF** , and maybe he didn’t. Either way, I don’t see it as so much a Scum tell as a matter of perhaps being a bit over-zealous. I also don’t like \*\*Normal’s \*\*vote on **MHaye**. Her voting history so far: Day 1 Mosier Day 2 MHaye PetW MHaye Astral PetW Astral Day 3 PetW MHaye She seems to be stuck in a rut… ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2114 "2012-04-26T20:35:20Z")
NETA: I missed \*\*Astral’s \*\*vote change…Preview Fail. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2115 "2012-04-26T20:36:53Z")
It’s 5-4 actually; Astral switched. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2116 "2012-04-26T20:38:14Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > She seems to be stuck in a rut… That really raises my eyebrows. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2117 "2012-04-26T20:39:54Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > That really raises my eyebrows. How so? Did you not realize you’ve been voting for the same three people over and over? ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2118 "2012-04-26T20:42:01Z")
Of course I realized. I’m not a fan of you just laying it out there without saying explicitly what you think that means. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2119 "2012-04-26T20:43:42Z")
Or what it has to do with the actual reasoning for my votes on MHaye, which I’ve never seen you address. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2120 "2012-04-26T20:49:48Z")
Am I correct in thinking its definitely either ToeJam or MHaye at this point, regardless of the three voter? If so, I’m staying on MHaye. Either death will yield information, and my town lean on ToeJam has mostly evaporated today due to the conversation. Either lynch has the Astral seal of approval. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480.md?page=105) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480.md?page=107)