# \[Mafia game\] The Realm of Phere **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 1, 2012, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480 "2012-04-01T15:04:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 117
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2012, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2321 "2012-05-02T16:34:10Z")
I doubt it, Story, though you may as well ask. If there’s anything Pizza hates it’s a mechanical solution to a mafia game (what Gadarene finds difficult to deal with is what Pizza finds to be the way things should be), and I don’t see very much more mechanical than going through votes the way you suggest. @ Astral – I don’t think that (all) scum or PFKs necessarily flip that way, Weedy notwithstanding. It would go some way toward balancing a town resurrecter if they don’t, if it was possible that once or twice they could resurrect someone who appeared to be town and get it wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2012, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2322 "2012-05-02T16:34:34Z")
For the record: I’m staying neutral/good. I really wanna see what the Beastmaster role can do. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2012, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2323 "2012-05-02T16:38:11Z")
Eat people who annoy you? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2012, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2324 "2012-05-02T16:38:13Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > I doubt it, Story, though you may as well ask. If there’s anything Pizza hates it’s a mechanical solution to a mafia game (what Gadarene finds difficult to deal with is what Pizza finds to be the way things should be), and I don’t see very much more mechanical than going through votes the way you suggest. Yeah… I guess. I think I’m just really frustrated. I spent the Night reading everything, and I feel like I know nothing more than when I started. I keep looking for some kind of angle and none is to be found. I guess that’s by design, based on what you’ve been saying about **pizza** and his games, but… frustrating. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2012, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2325 "2012-05-02T16:41:12Z")
I must have played a dozen or more games like this one or worse by now, so … eh. You get used to it. Go after the scummy, Story. That doesn’t change much. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2012, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2326 "2012-05-02T16:46:56Z")
OK, so Lightfoot got the sapphire ring and choie the emerald ring on day two. Either of you know what your item does? Three people voted for Weedy that day: gnarly, Gadarene and Skeezix. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2012, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2327 "2012-05-02T16:50:48Z")
Was Weedy ever in significant danger of being lynched? ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2012, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2328 "2012-05-02T16:53:45Z")
**vote: Lightfoot** pending an explanation of her attack on choie yesterday. I’m not sure whether or not this warrants any other votes (unless they’re placed for other reasons), but I really want an answer. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2012, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2329 "2012-05-02T16:57:20Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > I must have played a dozen or more games like this one or worse by now, so … eh. You get used to it. Go after the scummy, Story. That doesn’t change much. But it does. The way I play is usually this: _Look at what’s happened. Did a Townie get lynched on Day 1? OK - how? Who voted for her? In what order? What reasons did they give? It’s Day 4 now (hypothetically), do we know the alignments of any of the people voting for her? Was there an alternate wagon? What do we know about that wagon, about the players on it, and about its subject?_ But right now, here in this game, I don’t actually know anything. I don’t know whether anyone who’s died was actually Town or Scum or something else - I have guesses and suppositions, but no _knowledge_. Without a solid base of gradually expanding certainty to build on, it’s… geh. Well. I’ll figure it out eventually. But don’t be surprised if I grasp at straws once in a while as I do. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2012, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2330 "2012-05-02T16:57:26Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > Was Weedy ever in significant danger of being lynched? Kindasorta? She was in my group of five or six people who should be considered for the lynch, back when I was flipping out over the cruddy vote count, so she’d have had two votes then I think. This was about 48 hours before the end of the day, though. I’m not sure which of the three unvoted her (wasn’t Skeezix, he voted her after unvoting PetW) to give her a total of two instead of three, but I dont’ think she ever picked up a vote after the wagon on you got rolling. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2012, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2331 "2012-05-02T17:00:12Z")
> [@storyteller0910](#): > > But it does. The way I play is usually this: _Look at what’s happened. Did a Townie get lynched on Day 1? OK - how? Who voted for her? In what order? What reasons did they give? It’s Day 4 now (hypothetically), do we know the alignments of any of the people voting for her? Was there an alternate wagon? What do we know about that wagon, about the players on it, and about its subject?_ > > But right now, here in this game, I don’t actually know anything. I don’t know whether anyone who’s died was actually Town or Scum or something else - I have guesses and suppositions, but no _knowledge_. Without a solid base of gradually expanding certainty to build on, it’s… geh. Well. I’ll figure it out eventually. But don’t be surprised if I grasp at straws once in a while as I do. 😃 Well yeah. But I’m still right. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2012, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2332 "2012-05-02T17:02:06Z")
Well, there’s better than average odds of a scum being there then, in my opinion. Can’t all pile on me, when they know I’ll flip not-scum. A throw-away on someone with some suspicion is a nice hiding place, and bonus if it’s one of your buddies for possible later cred. When I get home, I’m gonna look and see if Weedy ever mentions those three, and how they talk about her. I think that might prove fruitful. If I had to give an off-the-cuff guess, I’d say gnarlycharlie. He’s pinged me for other reasons, as I noted in my post-resurrection double post book of epic proportions. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2012, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2333 "2012-05-02T17:06:09Z")
I think you misread me – I think (though I’m not positive) that all three votes on Weedy were placed prior to your wagon going anywhere. So it would be at least semi-serious bussing you’d be looking for, not a throwaway. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2012, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2334 "2012-05-02T17:12:27Z")
I guess they wouldn’t all _switch_ to me, but I did kind of misread you. Hmmph. This might be less fruitful than I thought. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2012, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2335 "2012-05-02T17:16:25Z")
Screw it, let’s lynch MHaye. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2012, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2336 "2012-05-02T17:41:18Z")
Heh. ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2012, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2337 "2012-05-02T18:44:40Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > By my count, the only player who appears to be in danger here is **Lilflower** , who hasn’t posted since Day 1. > > Next in line would be \*\*Mahaloth \*\*and **PetW** , who we haven’t heard from since Day 2, but they shouldn’t be in any danger until some time Tomorrow. The rule is that a player who does not participate on _any_ three Days will be dealt with by Wrath of Demon. Storyteller is still at risk (although he looks like he’s participating Today). \*\*Oh great PG. Would you be amenable to letting a player “earn off” a Day they missed by continuous participation in later Days? I might suggest allowing a player with one Day marked against them to buy a remission by two Days participation, and someone with two Days to buy _one_ Day off with three Days continuous participation. I feel it might give them some hope of getting away from the knife-edge. Also, if someone is modkilled, do we get any reveal?\*\* ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2012, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2338 "2012-05-02T19:44:42Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > **vote: Lightfoot** pending an explanation of her attack on choie yesterday. > > I’m not sure whether or not this warrants any other votes (unless they’re placed for other reasons), but I really want an answer. What’s your definition of an attack. I have not attacked anyone. Well except with words and votes, mayhaps ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2012, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2339 "2012-05-02T20:19:22Z")
The wind attack on choie from yesterday’s lynch write-up, via Lord Phere. ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2012, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2340 "2012-05-02T20:22:00Z")
Crazy goings on here. I’m kinda surprised that **Weedy** has flipped… well, not scum, I guess we still don’t know that, but _very_ evil. Doesn’t really match her behavior if you ask me. Still, all in all I’m glad to be rid of an _very_ evil player; I can’t imagine her intentions were pro-Town with such an alignment. Unless said town happens to be EvilTown in the country of Villainia. > [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > OK, so Lightfoot got the sapphire ring and choie the emerald ring on day two. Either of you know what your item does? Unfortunately no. I had an opportunity to either discern it last Night or perform a certain action. I decided the other action was more important for Town overall. Moving ahead a bit, **Normal** , where did **Lightfoot** claim to be the one who attacked me? What’d I miss? I am very interested in hearing from **Guiri** again. What can he tell us about the Other Side, having looked into Death’s gaping maw? OTOH, **Astral** told us bupkis so presumably **Guiri** had the same experience. Also we don’t know if he’s a zombie, but since the color matches the color for **Astral** (i.e. white light) I assume he’s not. Considering the perceived lack of balance, what with getting (presumed) Townies back and only one dead Evil person (whom we may or may not presume to be Scum), I’m somewhat wary of the undeads, even if they are Good. Wasn’t there a TV show or Stephen King novel where some good person was brought back to life but someone evil… or some_thing_ evil… hitched a ride? Could **Astral** and **Guiri** be unknowing carriers of some kind of bomb (or whatever the D&D / Mafia version would be)? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480.md?page=116) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480.md?page=118)