# \[Mafia game\] The Realm of Phere **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 1, 2012, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480 "2012-04-01T15:04:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2012, 10:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/221 "2012-04-07T10:51:14Z")
General comments: I like detailed discussion of game mechanics, especially on Day 1, and especially in a game as complicated as this one. Such discussion serves multiple purposes: Help us to get clarity and to form views of how to test our powers, etc. But also to begin scum-hunting: We can look for “helpful” advice which is actually Scummy or, more likely, scummy smudging of neutral advice. (Or, even more likely?, scummy smudging of alleged such smudgers. 😃 ) Instead we’ve only digressed into finger-pointing about smallish things. My excuse for not starting such discussion myself? Stupidity and ignorance. I do have questions, but they’re mostly stupid questions. :smack: My vote on Visorslash is for anti-Town play, not Scummy behavior. But when I have not the slightest Scum sense from any other player, and the rules almost mandate a vote of some sort, I’ll vote for the anti-Town player over pro-Town any day. I refrain from the bandwagon against **Gadarene** for one simple reason: I almost voted for **Astral** and it would have been for a reason much fishier than Gadarene’s. I would have justified my vote with “In the absence of any other suspicions, I will follow **guiri** who has proven the value of his intuition in the past. Hanging on the coattails of a good scumhunter isn’t wrong.” (Had I gone this way, of course, I’d be on the hot seat now, pleading for mercy. 😉 ) ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2012, 10:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/222 "2012-04-07T10:57:46Z")
> [@BobArrgh](#): > > [OOG] > **@Normal Phase** : IANAD/IANYD/YANMP, etc., but I saw in the sign-up thread that you had a pain that was possibly masquerading as appendicitis. Last year I had the same type of thing that doubled me up for several days and then would disappear. I seriously thought it was appendicitis, which was impossible, since mine was removed when I was 17. (Since mine was removed in Indonesia back in 1979, I was actually afraid that perhaps they hadn’t completely removed my appendix.) > > It turned out to be something called a “Meckle’s Diverticulum”, which is a little pouch in the small intestine, right near where it joins up to the large intestine. I had to have it removed. > > As I said, IANAD/YANMP, but you might want to research it and if you keep having issues, follow up with a visit to your own doctor. > [/OOG] > > We now return to your regularly-scheduled Mafia game. Thanks. 🙂 I have an appointment on Monday actually. ---
**Author:** ![Tanaer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tanaer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tanaer)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2012, 10:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/223 "2012-04-07T10:59:30Z")
Thanks Weedy for letting people know I’m away. The Internet access here is awful, but I’ve managed to secure access long enough to skim the thread on tapatalk. I’m really not inclined to incriminate people for cheese puns. What did pull my attention was choie on number of scum. The question alone might have let pass but commenting with dismay at potential numbers later started to look like a cover up. Apologies for not quoting. I have to dash. I have no idea whether I’ll be able to get back Today. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2012, 11:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/224 "2012-04-07T11:19:43Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > The dustup between you guys is all very interesting, I’m sure and I can’t wait to see what happens once one of you dies and flips some alignment. I’m sure much hay will be made of it. > > What really intrigues me, though is Astral’s going after choie for a post that appears, at least superficially, to be on his side. Are guiri and astral scumbuddies and this early vote an attempt to make them seem unlikely partners? It’s not an unfamiliar tactic to players here. Or are astral and choie scumbuddies using guiri’s lucky vote to go one level deeper in the WIFOM? Or are all three townies and I’m just high on paranoia? And then Gad jumps into the fray with a vote that, despite his later clarifications seems very light in the rationale department. That’s what I’m interested in, along with Astral’s initial nonchalance about the vote coupled with his more recent posts taking issue with it. It’s a cliche around these parts that Day 1 is usually nothing more than townie on townie violence but I am getting the feeling that someone in this group is scum looking to jumpstart a mislynch. > > Vote Gad > > I’m thinking I might switch to Astral though, I haven’t decided. You’re right, the choie vote is a bit odd from a psychological standpoint. ( [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14938902&postcount=78](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14938902&postcount=78) ) I like his MHaye vote better and even find the argument valid, but it’s not exactly a difficult stance to take, is it? ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2012, 11:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/225 "2012-04-07T11:20:52Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > I have no issue with your check-in post, I’m merely using it to question Guiri and Gad. Oh and on this – I’ll let Guiri respond, but I really don’t think it’s a valid challenge you’ve made here, and furthermore I think that things that Guiri has already said in this game should explain why. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2012, 11:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/226 "2012-04-07T11:28:36Z")
Never mind, Guiri already did respond. Ugh, I’m not awake. ---
**Author:** ![BobArrgh](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobarrgh/32/2881_2.png) [@BobArrgh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobArrgh)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2012, 12:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/227 "2012-04-07T12:08:37Z")
[OOG] The short days don’t bother me, but I do like the idea of Days starting Monday. [/OOG] ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2012, 12:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/228 "2012-04-07T12:16:38Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > There are many players who consider mafia to be a game of numbers vs information. Town has the numbers but mafia has the info. As the game progresses, the two reach an equilibrium and in an ideal game, neither side gains a huge advantage. As such, there tends to be a gut reaction to players who suggest sharing info at the beginning of the game as any info shared with town is perforce shared with scum who are better equipped to make ill use of it than town is to take advantage of it properly. So, glee, I would expect to see some push back from your unsolicited statements if I were you. I appreciate the advice. Nevertheless having an item I don’t know how to use is not a regular Mafia thing for me. I wasn’t suggesting any sharing of information, except regarding my item. If someone on Town knows what it is and lets me know by PM (which I believe is legal here), how does that benefit the traitors? ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2012, 12:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/229 "2012-04-07T12:18:45Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > Is this a general strategy thing you’re trying to understand or are you strongly objecting to a couple of early D1 votes based on something that has little or no reasonable defense? Neither. My traditional Day 1 strategy is to ask questions of people. I can fully understand someone’s motives while still questioning them about an action. You also are forgetting that I’ve asked the same question of Gad. I originally left you out from that particular line of questioning (because you’ve explained yourself well so far), but edited you back in just to see how you responded. > [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > Oh and on this – I’ll let Guiri respond, but I really don’t think it’s a valid challenge you’ve made here, and furthermore I think that things that Guiri has already said in this game should explain why. Again, I’m questioning both of them. I disagree that it isn’t a valid challenge, but that’s neither here nor there. You can admit there are at least superficial similarities between the two posts, and I saw value in questioning them about it. ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2012, 12:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/230 "2012-04-07T12:20:43Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > I don’t see that. > I don’t think I’ve ever played with glee before and his post did not say anything to me. I believe I have not had the pleasure of your company. 🙂 I thought my post had a bit of useful information (plus I’ve voted, unlike quite a few.) Please could you give an example of a post that did ‘speak to you’? ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2012, 12:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/231 "2012-04-07T12:24:30Z")
I don’t want to speak for Guiri, but I believe he’s saying that nothing you’ve posted indicates scumminess. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2012, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/232 "2012-04-07T12:53:07Z")
> [@glee](#): > > I appreciate the advice. > > Nevertheless having an item I don’t know how to use is not a regular Mafia thing for me. > I wasn’t suggesting any sharing of information, except regarding my item. > > If someone on Town knows what it is and lets me know by PM (which I believe is legal here), how does that benefit the traitors? I have had my throat handed to me for NOT sharing information early, and for sharing too soon - different players-different games- just admitting you have an item may cause you grief Keep in mind you have no way of knowing the alignment of any player that gives you ‘advice’- in game or out- ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2012, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/233 "2012-04-07T13:03:17Z")
I have no idear why I am awake this early ( almost 6 AM Saturday here) on the one day when I could have slept in! I look forward to the shorter days – it may kick the under the radar players in the joupa(sp\*) – I understand the ‘bookkeeping” of this game mandates that our Mod needs the Nights to be as long as the Nights will be. ( the shorter the better for me thinking) Different time zones and different work schedules we can all give/take /adapt as long as the end/start times are kept clear \*(sp)= probably misspelled ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2012, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/234 "2012-04-07T13:16:50Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > I don’t want to speak for Guiri, but I believe he’s saying that nothing you’ve posted indicates scumminess. That’s a relief! > [@LightFoot](#): > > I have had my throat handed to me for NOT sharing information early, and for sharing too soon - different players-different games- > > just admitting you have an item may cause you grief > > Keep in mind you have no way of knowing the alignment of any player that gives you ‘advice’- in game or out- Fair enough. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2012, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/235 "2012-04-07T13:24:49Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > Again, I’m questioning both of them. I disagree that it isn’t a valid challenge, but that’s neither here nor there. You can admit there are at least superficial similarities between the two posts, and I saw value in questioning them about it. Well the point I was making is that Guiri had already emphasized that it being you specifically had a lot to do with it – and he has no previous experience with glee. So it seemed to me the question was already answered, and I don’t see why you would choose to make an issue of it further. ---
**Author:** ![Visorslash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/ee59a6/32.png) [@Visorslash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Visorslash)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2012, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/236 "2012-04-07T13:26:23Z")
**Unvote; Vote: Gadarene** Simple survival. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2012, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/237 "2012-04-07T13:31:23Z")
Looking at the votes and what has been said toDay I’ve already stated I think that many of the votes on \*\* Visorslash \*\* seem to stem from playstyle and I don’t care for them. I had issue with \*\* Gad \*\* earler but the votes dropping there gives me pause as well. The other player that sent an early ping was \*\* Mosier \*\* [mentioned here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14940559&postcount=119) There is nothing that that player has posted since that sways my suspicions - granted there have only been 4 posts ingame for that player so it’s all I have to go on \* \*\* Vote Mosier \*\* My weekend is about to hit the fan… if I get blown away I wanted to make sure I got a vote in. ---
**Author:** ![gnarlycharlie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/5f9b8f/32.png) [@gnarlycharlie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnarlycharlie)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2012, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/238 "2012-04-07T16:37:48Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > Huh? You voted her for voting Visorslash for OMGUS voting Weedy. I pointed out that her original motive for voting was not related to the OMGUS vote but she had twice used the OMGUS vote as a reason to keep her vote on Visorslash, maybe my correction adding confusion as I also questioned SilverJan on her denial in the same post. oh, i left out a few words in the last sentence that changed what i meant. she didn’t vote **Visorslash** for the OMGUS. she kept her vote on him for it. > [@LightFoot](#): > > @ \*\* Charlie \*\* we are in agreement on something ( atleast for now) is that a record? [ie the wagon bits] ha ha ha! we can’t always be at odds, can we? it just might feel like it. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![gnarlycharlie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/5f9b8f/32.png) [@gnarlycharlie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnarlycharlie)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2012, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/239 "2012-04-07T16:42:46Z")
update: corrections and additions welcome. 1. Mahaloth - male 2. Drain Bead - female 3. Suburban Plankton - male 4. Mosier - ? 5. Scathach - female 6. Fubbleskag - male 7. Weedy (aka Evene) - female 8. Gadarene - male 9. PetW - ? 10. Astral Rejection - male 11. gnarlycharlie - male 12. NAF1138 - male 13. septimus - male 14. GuiriEnEspana - male 15. Inner Stickler - male 16. Lightfoot - female 17. Silver Jan - female 18. choie - female 19. BobArrgh - male 20. Tanaer - female 21. Red Skeezix - male 22. Normal Phase - female 23. MHaye - male 24. RealityTrip - ? 25. Lilflower - ? (i’m guessing female :D) 26. glee - male 27. Visorslash - male 28. storyteller0910 - male 29. ToeJam - male 30. Askthepizzaguy - undefined (this one escapes me :p) ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2012, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/240 "2012-04-07T17:12:46Z")
Hey folks, this is my friendly reminder that I can’t play much or, frequently, at all on weekends. Sorry if this means I miss the end of Day. I will do what I can. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480.md?page=13)