# \[Mafia game\] The Realm of Phere **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 1, 2012, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480 "2012-04-01T15:04:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 122
**Author:** ![Tanaer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tanaer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tanaer)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2012, 9:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2421 "2012-05-04T09:11:33Z")
Oops, in lieu of editing that whopping great half sentence flopping up there was where I was going to mention my lack of experience making me less valuable etc. But I obviously got distracted - to much going on. ---
**Author:** ![Tanaer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tanaer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tanaer)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2012, 9:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2422 "2012-05-04T09:13:47Z")
_too_, damnit, _too_ much going on. That was literally a typo - missing the key the second time because I was trying to type too fast. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2012, 9:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2423 "2012-05-04T09:14:21Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > We’ve got some time, and I’ve mulled this over. > > The lack of information and reveals is crippling me. > > I’m a watcher ( of sorts) meaning I am able to watch a player at Night and see who visits them. > > Night 2 I watched \*\* Normal \*\* and \*\* gnarly charlie \*\* visited. ( the other Nights no one visited my targets) > > There appeared to be no effect at least publicly. > > I made a case on \*\* charlie \*\* because I gathered he was up to no good. ( I didn’t think he was there to protect) I didn’t get any notice of this and would like to know what he was doing myself. Is this the only night he visited, or did you watch other people the other times? > [@](#): > > \*\* Normal \*\* seems to be able to block Day attacks perhaps Night attacks too. + the double vote ( Power Town or Power Scum?) Town, of course. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2012, 9:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2424 "2012-05-04T09:16:41Z")
I very much doubt that Tanaer and Weedy were scum together, but that doesn’t preclude Weedy snuggling someone who just happened to be some other variety of bad guy than she was. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2012, 9:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2425 "2012-05-04T09:21:21Z")
I’m hesitant to vote for people like Skeezix (especially) and to a lesser extent RT, who may have wrath-of-Phere pending anyway. In fact I think it’s a horrible idea. **But I would like Pizza to clarify exactly who’s in what status in that regard. The rule seemed quite clear-cut: 3x no vote, you’re out. Is that still the case or are game-ditchers like these going to hang over us indefinitely?** ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2012, 9:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2426 "2012-05-04T09:41:34Z")
I may express a little leniency if I get some communication that shows that the non-voters are still playing. It’s a bit damaging to the game to have a buncha modkills. That said, action is coming if there’s no pulse. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2012, 9:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2427 "2012-05-04T09:43:04Z")
It’s damaging to the game for them to have ditched, period. I hate everything about it. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2012, 11:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2428 "2012-05-04T11:52:37Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > I very much doubt that Tanaer and Weedy were scum together, but that doesn’t preclude Weedy snuggling someone who just happened to be some other variety of bad guy than she was. That’s my point, I think Weedy was a Traitor, so I agree that Weedy and Tanaer weren’t scum together. ---
**Author:** ![Scathach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Scathach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scathach)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2012, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2429 "2012-05-04T12:32:15Z")
> [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > That’s my point, I think Weedy was a Traitor, so I agree that Weedy and Tanaer weren’t scum together. If Weedy was the traitor and was controlling Lord Phere, then why would she be killed by Lord Phere? Although, now that I think about it, we don’t know if the traitor was controlling him, that was just an assumption we were making. If she was simple scum, then why was she NK’d? If she’s not scum then was it the scum that killed her? Is she a 3rd party character and got taken out by scum? Was she scum that got taken out by another faction? The fact that there was only 1 kill leads me to think she was the scum kill, so I’m assuming she was a separate faction for the moment. ---
**Author:** ![BobArrgh](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobarrgh/32/2881_2.png) [@BobArrgh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobArrgh)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2012, 12:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2430 "2012-05-04T12:41:50Z")
[OOG] Tanaer, congratulations on your awesome day, and special congrats on your score. My brother is an orchestrator in Hollywood, and he has a credit on a movie that is coming out soon (today, perhaps?) called “The Raven”. [/OOG] ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2012, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2431 "2012-05-04T14:16:16Z")
> [@Visorslash](#): > > I still want **Gadarene** to die as well, but that doesn’t seem to be happening unfortunately. Because…? :rolleyes: Anyway, I believe I’ve voiced my suspicion in the past about there being two double-voters out there, and the only way I can see them both being Town is if they’re specifically designed to offset a scum triple-voter (who, if I’m not mistaken, I don’t believe we’ve heard from in a while). Otherwise, I think at least one of the double voters has to be scum, and I think it’s much more likely to be Visorslash. Scum leans: gnarlycharlie (and thanks for outing the watcher stuff, LightFoot!), Believerer, Visorslash, PetW… ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2012, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2432 "2012-05-04T14:18:31Z")
> [@Mosier](#): > > List of bad humans: > > Suburban Plankton > Visorslash > > I eat they brains! Nom nom nom. Oh yeah, and I still think Suburban is super-scummy. Thanks for reminding me. gnarlycharlie, Believerer, Visorslash, PetW, Suburban. I’ll be attacking one of these people today. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2012, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2433 "2012-05-04T14:20:39Z")
> [@Visorslash](#): > > I’m not going to get into an argument with you Choie. Make all the points and arguments you want, I am done dealing with you. You are not being helpful. IF YOU WANT ME DEAD, MAKE A FUCKING ARGUMENT. YOU HAVE CONSISTENTLY REFUSED TO DO SO. Jumping jiminy on a roller coaster. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2012, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2434 "2012-05-04T14:23:02Z")
**Unvote Believerer** **Vote Visorslash** for being anti-Town in every possible fucking way. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2012, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2435 "2012-05-04T15:26:37Z")
> [@Gadarene](#): > > You are not being helpful. > > IF YOU WANT ME DEAD, MAKE A FUCKING ARGUMENT. YOU HAVE CONSISTENTLY REFUSED TO DO SO. > > Jumping jiminy on a roller coaster. Right, **Visor** : why do you want Gadarene dead? It doesn’t have to be a long-winded explanation, just one with a cause on the one side and an effect on the other. I don’t know if you think explaining yourself is for the weak, or what, and I’ve been granting leeway in my head mostly because **Normal** keeps swearing that you play this way all the time… but at a certain point, it ceases to matter. If the way you play all the time is indistinguishable from Scum play, then you need to be _lynched_ all the time. I think I will have time this afternoon to do a big **Weedy** -centered read. * * * In the meanwhile, I would like to return again to **fubbleskag**. It seems he has been well forgotten, but I don’t think he should be. Based on the things **ToeJam** has said, I think it is very likely that **fubbles** is a third-party, and that he was trying to fulfill some kind of win condition related to collecting money. In and of itself this is not problematic. Having just moderated a game where Town lost in part because of its unwillingness to work with willing independent third parties, I’m especially enthusiastic about he idea of working with them in a game like this. But: just letting him live unbothered is not anything like working with him. Eventually, the Scum are going to start sending him the money he wants and getting the information we’re not getting. So, **fubbles** , I propose the following. I request that you provide us a sample, on spec, of your work. Tell us what something does. I don’t particularly care what. But do it, for free; show us that you can and will. If you do, and if you report it openly here, then _I_ will volunteer to pay you thereafter, by cash or by deed, for identified items, provided that: (1) you always identify the item publicly; and (2) you identify _only_ items that we discuss openly - no backroom private deals with individual players. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2012, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2436 "2012-05-04T16:15:24Z")
> [@](#): > > \*\* septimus wrote \*\* At present I have no Scum read on any active Player. I was thinking of Lynching a Lurker (like Red Skeezix), the Zombie, or one of our confessed Neutral/Third Party players. Instead a wagon is developing on Tanaer. Can someone please link to post(s) summarizing a case against him? I missed where a third party player had confessed? Or are you equating Neutral to Third Party. Because I don’t think they are the same animal at all. @ \*\* Normal \*\* a shared that intel a few posts later. ( did you get excited and not read on?) \*\* I find it equally interesting how some players have reacted to ( or at least acknowledged) my little reveal and some have ignored it. \*\* ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2012, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2437 "2012-05-04T16:16:26Z")
> [@storyteller0910](#): > > ~snipped~ > > In the meanwhile, I would like to return again to **fubbleskag**. It seems he has been well forgotten, but I don’t think he should be. Based on the things **ToeJam** has said, I think it is very likely that **fubbles** is a third-party, and that he was trying to fulfill some kind of win condition related to collecting money. > > In and of itself this is not problematic. Having just moderated a game where Town lost in part because of its unwillingness to work with willing independent third parties, I’m especially enthusiastic about he idea of working with them in a game like this. But: just letting him live unbothered is not anything like working with him. Eventually, the Scum are going to start sending him the money he wants and getting the information we’re not getting. > > So, **fubbles** , I propose the following. I request that you provide us a sample, on spec, of your work. Tell us what something does. I don’t particularly care what. But do it, for free; show us that you can and will. If you do, and if you report it openly here, then _I_ will volunteer to pay you thereafter, by cash or by deed, for identified items, provided that: (1) you always identify the item publicly; and (2) you identify _only_ items that we discuss openly - no backroom private deals with individual players. I see this as problematic. Would you volunteer one of your items to be identified publically? Granted I want to know what mine does, but do I want \* everyone \* to also know? ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2012, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2438 "2012-05-04T16:31:54Z")
> [@Gadarene](#): > > You are not being helpful. > > IF YOU WANT ME DEAD, MAKE A FUCKING ARGUMENT. YOU HAVE CONSISTENTLY REFUSED TO DO SO. > > Jumping jiminy on a roller coaster. You know what, I have to agree with you here, I was unhappy with him on D1 and since then I have just skimmed his posts because they make my hackles rise. He hasn’t actually made a case against anybody that he has voted for. That does not help Town. **Unvote Tanaer** I am unvoting because I think my logic is a bit twisted. I know Weedy was shnuggling Tanaer but if, as I suspect, Weedy was a traitor then she might have known who the scum team were and then her shnuggling really doesn’t make sense. It had the effect of making Tanaer look bad, which isn’t a very scummy thing to do if Tanaer is scum, although in this damn game who knows? Gnarlycharlie is seriously pinging me in this game, he loves the off board part of the game and yet he doesn’t really want to talk to me. So far it has mostly been game mechanics and apologies. Yes, I do know he is moving but the game has been going on for a while. And when I first started writing I was going to vote for Visorslash and at the end I was going to vote Gnarley. I am leaving Fubbles alone at the moment because I will be scarred for life by Town not trusting a 3rd Party in the last game and taking a PFK into their bosom. Yeah, I do think he’s 3rd Party. At the moment I am not sure who to vote for, indecisive? Me? One last thing, Lord Phere seems to be killing everyone so I can’t really see him being controlled by a single player. **Vote Visorslash** He really isn’t helping Town and if he always plays this way, good for him! ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2012, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2439 "2012-05-04T16:43:04Z")
> [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > **Vote Visorslash** > > He really isn’t helping Town and if he always plays this way, good for him! This is not a good justification for a vote. You had a better case on gnarly, and even said you were going to vote for him at the end of your post, before you changed your mind. If gnarly has been “seriously pinging” you, and Visorslash is just unhelpful, why do you feel Visor is a better lynch? ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2012, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2440 "2012-05-04T17:07:55Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > This is not a good justification for a vote. You had a better case on gnarly, and even said you were going to vote for him at the end of your post, before you changed your mind. > > If gnarly has been “seriously pinging” you, and Visorslash is just unhelpful, why do you feel Visor is a better lynch? Because I still want to have a vote down and I had a vote on Visor on D1 and I am going back to look at Gnarly. Please don’t put words in my mouth, I said I was indecisive and I flipped a coin in my mind and Visorslash came up, he has been pinging me since D1. If I had 2 votes, I would have voted for both of them. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480.md?page=121) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480.md?page=123)