# \[Mafia game\] The Realm of Phere **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 1, 2012, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480 "2012-04-01T15:04:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 126
**Author:** ![Tanaer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tanaer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tanaer)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2012, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2501 "2012-05-05T14:57:34Z")
Looking back over the night report, I kinda suspect Weedy might have been an assassin or serial killer sneaking around in cloaked like that. I mean, why would the traitor’s cabal kill her if she was one of theirs? ---
**Author:** ![Tanaer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tanaer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tanaer)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2012, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2502 "2012-05-05T15:06:26Z")
Can anyone shed any light on what these visits are? Possibilities that occur to me - a) thief b) assassination attempt (doesn’t seem to bear out so far) c) rifling through people’s things to learn about them d) planting a hex in their bed e) plotting (and no, I don’t know why I didn’t think of this further up [except OOG it doesn’t do much for me] d) ??? Plainly nobody seems sure about me, but if I’m wrong & somebody who knows something _does_ trust me, please feel to PM me. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2012, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2503 "2012-05-05T15:34:47Z")
bloody hail We’ve got 6 players tied with 2 We don’t get much info from the death reveal and we won’t get anything from this vote analysis… I 'm waiting to hear from \*\* charlie \*\* stuff to do today but I can change my vote when/if I see \* something \* It seems everyone is too busy to play this game ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2012, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2504 "2012-05-05T15:42:17Z")
> [@Visorslash](#): > > **Vote: All items to me.** > > Gad, the reasons for wanting you dead were brought up in D1/D2, etc. No, they weren’t. You deferred then, too. Fucking liar. **unvote** **vote Visorslash** Oh, and not having dynamic, changing reads in light of additional information? Really fucking scummy as well. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2012, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2505 "2012-05-05T15:44:29Z")
> [@Tanaer](#): > > Looking back over the night report, I kinda suspect Weedy might have been an assassin or serial killer sneaking around in cloaked like that. I mean, why would the traitor’s cabal kill her if she was one of theirs? I’m curious, you appear to be focusing your musings on a \*\* dead player \*\* when EOD is near. Very safe musings. granted \* some \* players have been brought back to life. but Weedy is still dead. ---
**Author:** ![Tanaer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tanaer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tanaer)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2012, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2506 "2012-05-05T16:09:40Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > I’m curious, you appear to be focusing your musings on a \*\* dead player \*\* when EOD is near. Very safe musings. > > granted \* some \* players have been brought back to life. but Weedy is still dead. Well life has kept me from having much chance to muse at all toDay. However, I’m trying to gather what information we Know to inform the game, and the votes as much as possible. The nature of Weedy & her death is just such information. I did, however, mention a few other players just a few posts back. Shall I remind you? Normal Phase - Weedy was consistently soft-defending her to me. She has my vote. Gadarene - who mentioned that moral alignment can affect win condition, which encouraged me to trust the Weedy reveal enough to vote as above. Suburban Plankton - who seemed to be playing odd games with the pointing at Silver Jan for a really odd reason, then justifying it by pointing to his own statement about it. Come to think of it, that’s exactly what Gadarene’s been saying about him all along, with the way he stuck like glue to Gadarene over the Fubbleskag incident. Choie - who I’ve pretty much cleared for the moment, because Weedy used my suspicions to build a case on her. Clearer? Or do you just want a reason to jump on me? ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2012, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2507 "2012-05-05T16:17:04Z")
**Unvote Silver Jan Vote MHaye** Silver Jan looks unlikely to be lynched, and MHaye is an acceptable target for me. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2012, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2508 "2012-05-05T16:18:08Z")
Bold tag fail! **Unvote Silver Jan Vote MHaye** Silver Jan looks unlikely to be lynched, and MHaye is an acceptable target for me. ---
**Author:** ![Mosier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ea924/32.png) [@Mosier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mosier)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2012, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2509 "2012-05-05T16:26:51Z")
**Unvote Suburban Plankton Vote Visorslash** Both are bad. Want them gone! (edit to correct color formatting) ---
**Author:** ![Tanaer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tanaer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tanaer)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2012, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2510 "2012-05-05T16:29:55Z")
Hmm. Combining my own disparate musings - if Weedy was an independent evildoer, then she likely wouldn’t have been privy to the scum team & her musings on town or not could well have been as legitimate as her saintly neighbour. It certainly doesn’t give me enough to base a vote on. On the other hand, I don’t like the way Suburban seems to be trying to fan flames from little orange pebbles he’s painted himself. And Gadarene’s point about power role hunting is well made too. So, \*\*unvote Normal Phase vote Suburban Plankton \*\* [oog And with that, hopefully I’ll catch a few hours shut-eye. /oog] ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2012, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2511 "2012-05-05T16:31:53Z")
Am I correct that EOD is just 4.5 hours away? We need to work together and get a Lynch, players. Unless we get a lot of vote switches, the triple-voter will have his way. Among contenders, my top choices would be Scathach and Suburban Plankton. Distant third choice is Visorslash. It is now 11:30 PM in my time zone so I will need to make a final decision within 90 minutes or so … unless worry about this game makes me insomniac :smack: **Vote: Scathach** How much hp damage has Visorslash already suffered? By my count, 400 hp. We’ve been talking of letting our Attackers help us Vig-kill and, since Visorslash is presumably almost out(\*), I hope those voting him will switch to Scathach (or Suburban Plankton?) and encourage our Attackers to finish off Visorslash easily, without wasting our Lynch on him. But please switch within an hour or so; otherwise I’ll check in and switch to Visorslash just to avoid letting the triple-voter control the Lynch. (\* - Is my 400hp count correct? I’d be dead if I’d taken that much damage; Visorslash presumably has extra hp, but is it likely to be much more than this?) ---
**Author:** ![gnarlycharlie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/5f9b8f/32.png) [@gnarlycharlie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnarlycharlie)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2012, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2512 "2012-05-05T16:44:07Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > We’ve got some time, and I’ve mulled this over. > > The lack of information and reveals is crippling me. > > I’m a watcher ( of sorts) meaning I am able to watch a player at Night and see who visits them. > > Night 2 I watched \*\* Normal \*\* and \*\* gnarly charlie \*\* visited. ( the other Nights no one visited my targets) > > There appeared to be no effect at least publicly. > > I made a case on \*\* charlie \*\* because I gathered he was up to no good. ( I didn’t think he was there to protect) > > \*\* Normal \*\* seems to be able to block Day attacks perhaps Night attacks too. + the double vote ( Power Town or Power Scum?) > > On the other foot. > > If \*\* charlie \*\* is a Town investigator I’ve put him in a pinch. ( but if that’s the case he would/should have left a crumb? ) > I still don’t know if this is the right thing to do. But I’m doing it anyway. > > I want to play this game. Lack of reveals is frustrating and I don’t know who to trust. Mayhaps if this gets me killed I will live again.= I like my role would like to play it more > maybe others have some intel they can use mine with if i’m a detective you’ve put me in a pinch? as if it was just a slight inconvenience. it’s okay because i should or would have left a breadcrumb? your logic astounds me. > [@choie](#): > > **Normal** and **gnarlycharlie** , together at night? Perhaps they’re having secret trysts, and they’re this horror tale’s doomed lovers – or perhaps the lovers standing exhausted but victorious at the end of a long battle. > > Seriously, I’m glad you shared, **LightFoot**. Can you tell us whom you watched on Nights 1 and 3, or might this be dangerous for either you or your watchees? no shit. if i were a detective or a doc, what then, Sherlock? > [@Gadarene](#): > > Because…? :rolleyes: > > Anyway, I believe I’ve voiced my suspicion in the past about there being two double-voters out there, and the only way I can see them both being Town is if they’re specifically designed to offset a scum triple-voter (who, if I’m not mistaken, I don’t believe we’ve heard from in a while). Otherwise, I think at least one of the double voters has to be scum, and I think it’s much more likely to be Visorslash. > > Scum leans: gnarlycharlie (and thanks for outing the watcher stuff, LightFoot!), Believerer, Visorslash, PetW… thanks also, huh? that’s only because you’re suspicious of me. if you thought i were town, you’d be bemoaning outing a town power. if you think **Suburban** ’s “power hunting” is scummy, you should be bitching about this. you’ve played with me twice now prior this game and i was Town in both games. how is my play different that you find me scummy? seeing that you seem to be wrong with **Weedy** , i suggest you re-calibrate your scumdar. * * * now i’m forced to explain. if i refuse, i risk being lynched or NKd if scum think i’m a detective or doc. i did visit **Normal**. i’m also a watcher. i figured she would get visitors since she had a lot of attention that Day. i also saw **Lightfoot** there. since nothing happened to **Normal** , i assumed she was Town and kept my mouth shut. i also said i thought she was Town in a previous [post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15004958&postcount=2030). **Lightfoot** , i’m getting tired of you voting me nearly every single game. eventually you’ll be right but i doubt it will be for the right reasons. if the gods of mafia have any mercy, this will be the last time you will get any sort of investigative role. i hope this qualifies as hearing from me. for the record: N1: i investigated **Gadarene** but he did not have any visitors. N2: i investigated **Normal Phase** and saw **Lightfoot** and only **Lightfoot** visit **Normal**. if **Lightfoot** is Town she can attest to that. that’s to head off accusations that my claim is a convenient one. N3: no investigation. i was moving and had minimal net access. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2012, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2513 "2012-05-05T16:44:21Z")
I don’t think it matters but I forgot to Unvote. **Unvote; Vote: Scathach** (I see **MHaye** is leading Lynch contender. I’m slightly more suspicious of him than some of the others, so will switch to him in an hour or so, if no wagon on Scathach or Suburban develops.) ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2012, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2514 "2012-05-05T16:50:19Z")
Two Town watchers, huh? Hmm. And I would love Suburban/Visorslash wagons. ---
**Author:** ![gnarlycharlie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/5f9b8f/32.png) [@gnarlycharlie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnarlycharlie)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2012, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2515 "2012-05-05T17:02:21Z")
> [@fubbleskag](#): > > what just happened here? > [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > **Jan** flip-flopped so hard it game _me_ whiplash…that’s what happened. > I’m just now caught up with the last 24 hours or so of posts. I’ve got a few comments to come. i experienced whiplash as well. > [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > Gnarlycharlie is seriously pinging me in this game, he loves the off board part of the game and yet he doesn’t really want to talk to me. So far it has mostly been game mechanics and apologies. Yes, I do know he is moving but the game has been going on for a while. this is outright falsehood. you got in touch with me first. you said you thought i was Town. i also apologized for not replying because i was at the beach. this week i was moving. now you say i’m pinging you and i haven’t been in touch. that’s so much BS. **Vote Silver Jan** ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2012, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2516 "2012-05-05T17:29:06Z")
**unvote Visorslash** **Vote Suburban Plankton** If the Suburban wagon actually has a chance of going, I want to help out all I can. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2012, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2517 "2012-05-05T17:30:01Z")
And yet you were actually away, that is not in touch. Gads two watchers thing is silly but the vote is still not really good and doesnt much help. If you were scum though i might expect lf to be dead as a suspected doc, so a pass from me for now. You need to reveal your other results though i think. Do not like what tanaer is saying at all but dont like sp either. Vote count needed. Back to look at previous page. ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2012, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2518 "2012-05-05T17:34:56Z")
[quote=“LightFoot, post:2503, topic:617480”] bloody hail We’ve got 6 players tied with 2\*\* My guess is no one wants to be that third vote. 🙂 > [@Gadarene](#): > > Oh, and not having dynamic, changing reads in light of additional information? Really fucking scummy as well. That’s exactly what I said to him. He just keeps saying he wants you dead, as he has since Day One, but in light of all the new circumstances it seems crazy that there’s been _no_ shift in his opinion. Heck, even if his low opinion of your towniness was _solidified_ by later discussions/actions/revelations, I think he should be making a case based on what we know _now_, not two Days and two Nights ago. His cherry-picking of what to read within posts, skimming the rest, and non-participation in scum-hunting to be worrisome. Note that by ‘non-participation’ I don’t mean activity; but there’s a difference between mere posting and actually being _productive_, Townwise. Blue Ring Septimus Diamond Ring GuiriEnEspaña That diamond ring is clearly the most valuable object, and unless _Order of the Stick_ has lied to me – an impossibiity! – diamonds are used to resurrect people. I’d rather place it in the hands of someone I trust than have it get anywhere near **Visorslash**. Because, to paraphrase Billy Joel, “He may be town, he may be crazy. But he just might be the evil scum we’re looking for.” So I’m hoping others will agree and switch to put the diamond in **Guiri** ’s hands, since IIRC he’s got as close to a Town flip as we’ve seen in the game–killed by Phere, referred to as Good, seems not to be a Zombie. The other revived folks are missing at least one of these qualities. I’m not saying I distrust **septimus** (mark that down, people!) but that’s because I feel he’s been relatively quiet; every time he posts I think, “Whoa, I forgot **septimus** is in this game!” (Same goes for **BobArrgh**.) So I’m not getting a read of him either way. I’d just rather trust **Guiri** with this possible reviving mechanism than any of the other candidates, other than me of course, but I already my emerald ring and my own original object. No need to be greedy. Regarding the **Visorslash** wagon – well, it _seemed_ like a wagon last night. I don’t know why I thought that. Could’ve sworn there were more votes on the guy making it a mini pile-on! I should mention this. I’ve been a Luddite as far as game mechanics go; meaning that even though PMs and other private communications are allowed in the rules, I just can’t seem to rid myself of the need for transparency and the distaste for backroom discussions. It’s that muleheadedness **Normal** ’s seen in me before. 🙂 For full disclosure, I’ve been in contact with one person, **Silver Jan** , on a semi-regular basis, and I’ve played with her three times now and her… shall we say, less-than-certainty?.. is just how she plays. I don’t find her scummy at all, just tired and confused by a misreading of the **gnarlycharlie** visitation. I’ve also received a couple of PMs from others asking me for information ( **Normal Phase** and **Guiri** , both of whom asked me perfectly reasonable questions), but there’s been no real reciprocal offers in return. In fairness, I haven’t reached out much to them either. In short, I have no idea who’s talking to whom. So there’s this paranoid sense that I’m not only out of the loop because of my own inclinations, but because I’m being _kept_ out of the loop. (God, it’s like high school all over again! :D) That worries me. It’s like there’s this whole other private game going on and this thread is almost incidental. Now to scum-hunting. **Gadarene** worries me. I could go either way on the positive hysteria being demonstrated whenever someone comes close to accusing him. ALLCAPS SHOUTING, cursing (not that I’m a prude, but still it seems OTT), and generally wigging out at the slightest examination of his gameplay. I understand even a Townie can overreact due to frustration at being innocent yet suspected (been there, done that). Still, as I’ve been told when I got huffy at being accused, it’s all part of the game. No reason to take it quite so personally. I don’t know how experienced **Gadarene** is at this game, but if he’s a newbie, I’ll understand his behavior; if he’s extremely experienced, my eyes will narrow in suspicion. An experienced player pitching this much of a hissy when accused seems bizarre. Should be used to it by now. I’ve also been thinking about that first Day’s vote-shift from the legitimate lynch-leader– **Gadarene** –to **Mosier**. Second-place **Astral** could have been any easy choice. But instead, that triple vote was placed on **Mosier**. **Astral** , one of the beneficiaries of triple vote, was lynched the next Day. To me, there were a few who benefited from that triple vote: - **Gadarene** , obviously - The people voting for **Mosier** , who either by luck, or by foreknowledge, had their votes ratified by Phere. Voting for **Mosier** were **LightFoot** , **Normal** , **gnarlycharlie** and **Suburban Plankton**. My FOS is on all of them, **Normal** and **gnarlycharlie** more so than the others. Against **Normal** : She began the wagon on **Astral**. Her certainty about **PetW** ’s guilt changed 180 degrees in the course of a Day. And there’s that double vote mechanic, which could go either way (townie, to balance out the triple voter, or scum, to make us _think_ she’s townie to balance out the triple voter). Further, the only other person with a double vote is **Visorslash** , which ain’t good company to be keeping. Finally I don’t like **Normal** ’s kvetching that she can’t be the one who has to win this for Town; she’s setting herself up as the Town Martyr, and that rankles. Against **gnarlycharlie** : in addition to the **Mosier** vote, his skulking behavior on Night Two hasn’t been explained. I know he’s busy so that could certainly explain the lack of explanation. If he’s an investigator, I think he should be giving us _something_ clue-like, so we have some info to work with should he be lynched or NKed. Maybe he has been breadcrumbing and it’s too subtle for me to catch. I’m still in favor of **Visorslash** getting the chop. I worry that his incredibly poor play is just that: poor play, and not guilt. But honestly? Aside from his monomania against **Gadarene** , and his being an obnoxious sort of player (heck, I had the same problem with **pizzaguy** in our first game together), I don’t have nearly as much against him as I do the others above. So: **unvote Visorslash** **vote Normal Phase** Sorry **Normal** – but to talk OOG for a moment, I hope you’re recovering well from your surgery! Minor or not, it can be exhausting and sometimes having lots of family around can be comforting–but also aggravating as hell! ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2012, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2519 "2012-05-05T17:37:58Z")
> [@gnarlycharlie](#): > > i experienced whiplash as well. > > this is outright falsehood. you got in touch with me first. you said you thought i was Town. i also apologized for not replying because i was at the beach. this week i was moving. now you say i’m pinging you and i haven’t been in touch. that’s so much BS. > > **Vote Silver Jan** So you are voting for me just because you are pissed off with me? OK I can handle that. I agree that I got in touch with you first, no argument there, the only thing I have to argue about is why didn’t you actually TALK to me? You are playing so far under the radar that it’s not true. I am prepared to change my vote but you have to give me a reason to. Yes posting off board is more than allowed. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2012, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2520 "2012-05-05T17:45:10Z")
Ty though you are still wrong about me. To take just one thing you find scummy, why should a scum me clear petw after suspecting him, what does that do for me. It seems sometimes you dont even consider the reasons someone gives for being suspicious or not just have i dont get this so its scummy hard wired somewhere I like guiris case on scarhach a lot also very tempted to vote sp on instinct case instead of mhaye. Not sure. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480.md?page=125) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480.md?page=127)