# \[Mafia game\] The Realm of Phere **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 1, 2012, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480 "2012-04-01T15:04:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 129
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2012, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2561 "2012-05-06T02:38:13Z")
> [@Gadarene](#): > > Jan and Normal (especially Jan) could not be more obvious townies, in my estimation. If I say please, will you go into some sort of detail on that? Please? ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2012, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2562 "2012-05-06T02:55:42Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > If I say please, will you go into some sort of detail on that? > > Please? Your own fucking eyes? Read their tone. Read their exchange! Silver Jan has been begging not to be killed. She has been oozing townieness, both in the thread and in my private conversations with her. If you really think she has a scummy tone,i have no idea what criteria you use to find scum, but they’re failing you utterly here. If you’re not a scum yourself, of course. ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2012, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2563 "2012-05-06T03:24:19Z")
> [@Gadarene](#): > > Your own fucking eyes? > > Read their tone. Read their exchange! Silver Jan has been begging not to be killed. She has been oozing townieness, both in the thread and in my private conversations with her. Okay, I happen to agree with you about **Silver Jan** , so please don’t shoot me. But this response and the logic it contains is little better than **Visorslash** ’s, which you’ve been railing against (as have I). First off – begging not to be killed is _hardly_ a purely Townie act, is it? Wouldn’t scum be pretty desperate not to be lynched too? That’s just human nature. Second, how the hell is **Suburban Plankton** supposed to know exactly what **Silver Jan** “oozes” in private conversations with you? (Yikes, that came out waaaay more pervy than I intended.) As I said, I feel as you do about **Silver Jan** , but I just thought your argument lacked cogent logic that would be likely to sway **Suburban’s** POV. Also, you have to admit it’s a bit hypocritical for you to scream at **Suburban** to dare asking for actual reasons behind your one- or two-line posts saying “obviously she’s town” when you’ve been ripping **Visorslash** a new one\* for his one- or two-line posts saying “obviously he’s scum” about you. - justifiably ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2012, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2564 "2012-05-06T03:26:01Z")
NETA: “to dare asking” should have been “for daring to ask.” Me talk good as Mosier. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2012, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2565 "2012-05-06T03:56:12Z")
Cool, choie. There’s a difference between saying somebody is obviously townie and saying that somebody id obviously scummy, by the way. A few differences, actually. And they should be, y’know, obvious. I’m on my Kindle right now and it’s a pain to type, so I’ll leave it at that. But no, Silver Jan would NOT be acting like this as scum. Not ever. ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2012, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2566 "2012-05-06T04:17:49Z")
> [@Gadarene](#): > > There’s a difference between saying somebody is obviously townie and saying that somebody id obviously scummy, by the way. A few differences, actually. And they should be, y’know, obvious. Should they? 😕 This may be my lack of much experience talking, but I don’t see how. All we have to go by is our words. When I was in danger of lynching back in my first game, I overreacted and begged and so on. Er, okay, so I was town, and yeah this seems to back your point. But honestly, I don’t see how I would behave differently if I ever get to be scum. _(Dammit, seriously, future Mafia mods. Just once let me wear the black hat! It happens to be my best color.)_. As scum, I can’t imagine going to the gallows without the same level of last minute desperate pleas, and I’d probably be outraged and indignant and lash out and basically be the usual pain in the ass I was in **De’endee** and **Thrill of the Chase**. And, as I’m sure some would add, in **Realm of Phere** too. > [@](#): > > But no, Silver Jan would NOT be acting like this as scum. Not ever. When you say “acting like this” do you mean her last few posts, or the way she’s been all game? Because if it’s the latter (all game), I’ll have to look back at **Thrill of the Chase** , but I don’t remember her acting much differently as scum. BUT if you mean the former, as in, the last few posts and the blow-up with **Normal** , I don’t think one can fairly use that to judge her either way, for reasons inappropriate to discuss in a game thread. I’m just saying, yep, I think **Silver Jan** is Town too, and I’m hoping she’ll survive this round, but I can see why **Suburban Plankton** is asking for elaboration other than “she wouldn’t act like this as Scum,” because I think we all know Scum are very capable of acting any bleedin’ way they choose. Anyway, I just hope this fracas dies down and we’re all friends again just trying to lynch and attack one another as God intended. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2012, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2567 "2012-05-06T04:46:24Z")
> [@choie](#): > > Anyway, I just hope this fracas dies down and we’re all friends again just trying to lynch and attack one another as God intended. I hope so too. For old times’ sake I propose we pass around a peace pipe toNight. (I’ve given up tobacco … Thai stick OK?) For imbibition … Loch Dhu is just too expensive now even as a fantasy … how about some delicious Thai sweet-sour rice whiskey from the illegal forest stills in our village? ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2012, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2568 "2012-05-06T13:41:26Z")
So…is the Day over now? ---
**Author:** ![Visorslash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/ee59a6/32.png) [@Visorslash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Visorslash)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2012, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2569 "2012-05-06T13:47:23Z")
Yeah day is over. I shouod probably apoligise or being abrasive, but that is how I play the game. I am usualy aggressive. But its nt fun when everyone accuses you and insults you for playing the way you do. I mena, saying I hav the skills of a fourth grader at best? Why? What is the poitn of that? Youcan sxay things withou instulting peope, yet you don’t/ I wish you uguys yould be more friendly, because then this game would be fun, not a chore. It’s no fun posting when I get told to fuck ofg all the time. And you dhoulnh’t call eople a bitch. No-one deserves that. Especially not renate. She is a good person. And she isn; t a bitych,. This is a game. People should noyt be so upset. They should be willing to be friendly and fogrive. It isn;t the enbd of the world if you are lynched and losem or you lose a game. Take it east, pleaset. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2012, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2570 "2012-05-06T15:16:48Z")
I am so sorry. This is a public apology to Normal, I have done it privately aswell. Sorry Normal, I wish I could take back what I wrote but that’s not possible. It wasn’t you that I was mad with it was/is the universe. And now I am crying. Just sorry! ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2012, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2571 "2012-05-06T15:44:24Z")
[soapbox] It’s a game where we try to kill each other. we aren’t PC. But- Personal comments \* ie \* mental capacity/sexual orientation/hurtfull expletives Should never be typed [/climbs off the box] passion for the game is part of the game these things happen. In the end we will try to kill each other again. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2012, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2572 "2012-05-06T15:56:35Z")
> [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > I am so sorry. This is a public apology to Normal, I have done it privately aswell. Sorry Normal, I wish I could take back what I wrote but that’s not possible. It wasn’t you that I was mad with it was/is the universe. And now I am crying. Just sorry! It’s OK. 🙇‍♂️ ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2012, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2573 "2012-05-06T17:21:24Z")
…And we enter another limbo of not knowing where we are or even what the final vote count is. This is massively pro-scum. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2012, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2574 "2012-05-06T17:26:38Z")
> [@Gadarene](#): > > …And we enter another limbo of not knowing where we are or even what the final vote count is. > > This is massively pro-scum. Although I do see how it could work to their advantage. I’m hoping that the evil one is throwing rocks at them too. somehow ---
**Author:** ![Visorslash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/ee59a6/32.png) [@Visorslash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Visorslash)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2012, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2575 "2012-05-06T17:30:05Z")
Who gives a fuck! It’s night. Liet;s be friends. No more fightig. It;s stupidl. ---
**Author:** ![Visorslash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/ee59a6/32.png) [@Visorslash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Visorslash)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2012, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2576 "2012-05-06T17:32:03Z")
What the heel is the point is saitng some one is a bitch or sucks ro is an idiot? Reallay? It’s stupid. Why instult peope wheb you an be friend with the,. There is no need to insuilt people. At the end of te day it is agame. Please, dont unstuly peoppe, because it is not fun for anyonje and is not cool at all. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2012, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2577 "2012-05-06T17:35:22Z")
> [@Visorslash](#): > > What the heel is the point is saitng some one is a bitch or sucks ro is an idiot? Reallay? It’s stupid. Why instult peope wheb you an be friend with the,. There is no need to insuilt people. At the end of te day it is agame. Please, dont unstuly peoppe, because it is not fun for anyonje and is not cool at all. we all get that. do you have someone you’re still hot at? ---
**Author:** ![Visorslash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/ee59a6/32.png) [@Visorslash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Visorslash)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2012, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2578 "2012-05-06T17:37:52Z")
I don;t think someof you do. WHy does Gad see the need to say fucking idiot and stuff liek that. I’m not really friendly towards people like that, nor CHoie who doeesn;t liek me either, buyt I’m not goijg to call then bitches or assholes. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2012, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2579 "2012-05-06T17:49:12Z")
> [@Visorslash](#): > > I don;t think someof you do. WHy does Gad see the need to say fucking idiot and stuff liek that. I’m not really friendly towards people like that, nor CHoie who doeesn;t liek me either, buyt I’m not goijg to call then bitches or assholes. I never called anyone a fucking idiot. You’re making things up. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2012, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2580 "2012-05-06T17:50:44Z")
In fact, I never insulted anyone at all. I know the rules of this forum. I’ve been a member here for over a decade. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480.md?page=128) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480.md?page=130)