# \[Mafia game\] The Realm of Phere **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 1, 2012, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480 "2012-04-01T15:04:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2012, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/261 "2012-04-07T18:50:27Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Clerics who have leveled up to 17 in DnD have the option of casting Resurrection. It costs a diamond but revives a willing dead person even if their remains are, to use a technical term, all fucked up. Raise Dead is cheaper and can be done at lower levels but the corpse has to be in good condition. Nearly. I want the best - _True_ Resurrection. (Resurrection can be managed by a mere 13th level cleric.) ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2012, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/262 "2012-04-07T18:52:29Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Clerics who have leveled up to 17 in DnD have the option of casting Resurrection. It costs a diamond but revives a willing dead person even if their remains are, to use a technical term, all fucked up. Raise Dead is cheaper and can be done at lower levels but the corpse has to be in good condition. But doesn’t “Raise Dead” just create zombies? You’re not going to get the person back, just their animated corpse. Or do I misremember? (Source: Xykon’s army of the dead including his flying dragon, and Tsukiko’s dead fetish, both in _Order of the Stick_.) ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2012, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/263 "2012-04-07T18:55:12Z")
> [@choie](#): > > But doesn’t “Raise Dead” just create zombies? You’re not going to get the person back, just their animated corpse. Or do I misremember? (Source: Xykon’s army of the dead including his flying dragon, and Tsukiko’s dead fetish, both in _Order of the Stick_.) Raise Dead brings the dead person back to life. There are a series of reanimation spells to create undead. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2012, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/264 "2012-04-07T18:59:13Z")
MHaye, what are your feelings on the state of the game right now? Mehta do you think of the votes as they currently stand? Are there any players you feel are more or less likely to be scum? ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2012, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/265 "2012-04-07T19:00:13Z")
“Mehta” should be “what.” Good old iPad! ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2012, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/266 "2012-04-07T19:01:31Z")
> [@MHaye](#): > > Raise Dead brings the dead person back to life. There are a series of reanimation spells to create undead. Ah! Create Undead, yes, thanks, now I remember. Sorry. My mind does tend to _bleep_ over the D&D mechanics in OOTS, although I’ve picked up some things merely by accidental absorption. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2012, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/267 "2012-04-07T19:06:17Z")
> [@MHaye](#): > > Nearly. I want the best - _True_ Resurrection. (Resurrection can be managed by a mere 13th level cleric.) My bad. For those who are curious True Resurrection doesn’t need a corporeal body at all. Pretty nifty. > [@choie](#): > > But doesn’t “Raise Dead” just create zombies? You’re not going to get the person back, just their animated corpse. Or do I misremember? (Source: Xykon’s army of the dead including his flying dragon, and Tsukiko’s dead fetish, both in _Order of the Stick_.) As Mhaye, said, those are different spells, specifically the Animate and Create Undead school of magic. They’re also evil necromantic spells as opposed to Raise Dead and Resurrection which are morally ambivalent healing spells. None of this is really relevant though, as I doubt ATPG went that deep into a gameplay system he’s not that versed in. ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2012, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/268 "2012-04-07T19:08:47Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > “Mehta” should be “what.” Good old iPad! Heh. I was wondering how Zubin Mehta got involved in this. Anyway, thanks for the hints re: D&D. It’s all clear as mud now! I’m kind of surprised at the numbers in the vote tally. It’s interesting if sort of inevitable that people aim most quickly at a newbie with an abrasive style. That’s almost an echo of my first game, where said abrasive style was owned by none other than **askthepizzaguy** Himself. Not saying you’re wrong – I went after ATPG too because his style grated – but I’m not sure it’s the right strategy. Remember, it takes an irritant to create a pearl. OTOH, sometimes an irritant just festers and causes gangrene. So, what am I saying? That, yeah, I have no clue. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2012, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/269 "2012-04-07T19:13:29Z")
Possibly the vote tally ( did somone say Mosier’s didn’t count?) 5 Gadarene: Naf(90,91) Ro0sh (120) Choie (152) InnerStickler (197) Visorslash (236) 5 Visorslash Silver Jan (95) Mosier (117) Mahaloth (124) septimus (132) PetW (188) 2 Mosier: Normal Phase (#63,65) Lightfoot (237) 2 Astral Rejection: Guiri (#57) Gadarene (83) 1 septimus : Weedy (184) 1 Silver Jan: GnarlyCharlie (176) borrowed/reformatted/reordered- for my own sanity ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2012, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/270 "2012-04-07T19:16:02Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > MHaye, what are your feelings on the state of the game right now? Mehta do you think of the votes as they currently stand? Are there any players you feel are more or less likely to be scum? I’m doing a reread right now. I paused for a few minutes at post 150. I don’t like the early wagons on either Visorslash or Gadarene. Visor because I think he’s collecting votes because he hasn’t played here before, and Gad for a vote that had good reasons; he failed to explain the reasons at the time. So I’m looking for other candidates. That being said, I _may_ be willing to vote for one of the lynch leaders, if I form an opinion that one is more likely to be anti-Town than the other. (Playstyle won’t figure in this.) ---
**Author:** ![ToeJam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/dfb087/32.png) [@ToeJam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ToeJam)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2012, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/271 "2012-04-07T19:19:42Z")
> [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > [del]Like so.[/del] Thanks, [del]jerk[/del] buddy. ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2012, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/272 "2012-04-07T19:44:38Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > I believe MHaye is content to keep his head down and not weigh in on anything we’re heatedly discussing, and I think that’s a fairly good early indicator of scumminess. I’d have thought you knew me better than that. I’m a conservative type of player. I prefer to check and cross-check before placing a vote. I had not had time to form an opinion about the votes, and was not going to post on the subject without further consideration. My knee-jerk reactions are known to be poor (ask Zeriel about the time he went from zero votes to dead in less than an hour.) So I don’t indulge in them. ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2012, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/273 "2012-04-07T20:18:55Z")
Vote count. Five votes.[ul][li]Gadarene : NAF (91), ToeJam (120), Choie (152), Inner Stickler (197), Visorslash (236)[/ul][/li]Four votes.[ul][li]Visorslash : Silver Jan (95), Mahaloth (124), Septimus (132), PetW (190)[/ul][/li]Two votes.[ul][li]Astral Rejection : GuiriEnEspana (57), Gadarene (83)[/li][li]Mosier : Normal Phase (65), Lightfoot (237)[/ul][/li]One vote.[ul][li]Septimus : Weedy (184)[/li]MHaye : Astral Rejection (186)[/ul] ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2012, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/274 "2012-04-07T20:52:35Z")
> [@MHaye](#): > > Vote count. Day ends in 8 minutes. Why did you fail to place a vote or weigh in on anything during the course of the Day? ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2012, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/275 "2012-04-07T20:54:26Z")
**Unvote.** **Vote Gadarene.** MHaye is still my #1 suspicion. This vote for Gadarene represents an effort to prevent any last-minute vote shenanigans. ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2012, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/276 "2012-04-07T20:54:53Z")
8 (now 6) minutes and 24 hours, no? ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2012, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/277 "2012-04-07T20:56:56Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > 8 (now 6) minutes and 24 hours, no? … yes. I even went back and re-read that section. Sunday, not Saturday. My apologies. In that case, back to MHaye! **Unvote.** **Vote MHaye.** ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2012, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/278 "2012-04-07T21:02:28Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > **Unvote.** > > **Vote Gadarene.** > > MHaye is still my #1 suspicion. This vote for Gadarene represents an effort to prevent any last-minute vote shenanigans. This seems weird. Last minute shenanigans like what? ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2012, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/279 "2012-04-07T21:08:28Z")
I thought the day was ending, and Gadarene had a single vote lead. If anyone unvoted Gad and voted, say, Visorslash, that would be “last minute shenanigans.” By pulling my 1-off for MHaye, I made that harder to achieve. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2012, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/280 "2012-04-07T21:13:03Z")
Of course if you’re scum and know gad is town then you get to further solidify a mislynch while looking like you just care so much. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480.md?page=15)