# \[Mafia game\] The Realm of Phere **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 1, 2012, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480 "2012-04-01T15:04:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 142
**Author:** ![Visorslash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/ee59a6/32.png) [@Visorslash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Visorslash)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2012, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2821 "2012-05-11T14:25:21Z")
**Vote: Normal Phase** ---
**Author:** ![Tanaer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tanaer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tanaer)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2012, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2822 "2012-05-11T14:26:37Z")
**Blue Bow: Normal Red Bow: Astral White Scepter: Guiri Teal Harp: Tanaer** In the hope that I last through today & tomorrow to become a bard. [OOG The sense of hopelessness I have about that stunningly mirrors how I’m feeling about real life right now. I am so sick of going through the motions in case I’m wrong /OOG] I bid thee both farewell sweet Bob & Gad It hurts us all to lose you by such means You two were both my closest townie leans I’m cut adrift, a little lost & sad It seems where’er I turn a brow is raised It wears me thin to see no trust at all Ignored continu’lly unless they call me out to answer something has them phased. I’m heartened not a whit by gripes that none of my lynch votes has strength at core I keep on trying hard to be more forward only I can’t satisfy them with one. I wish that cruel assassin had took me This heartless village is no place to be ---
**Author:** ![Mosier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ea924/32.png) [@Mosier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mosier)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2012, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2823 "2012-05-11T14:30:15Z")
> [@glee](#): > > I would like to bid for the Teal Harp, as I think **I am specially qualified to use it**. > > Teal Harp Glee Zomo want music! Second only to braaaains. **Teal Harp Glee** > [@Visorslash](#): > > Fair enough. Just seems overpowered to me, that you haven’t taken any damage from an attack thus far. So unless there is a logical explanation, I don’t see why I shouldn’t vote for you until you clear this up. Damage do nothing good so far. Overpowered? No. **Vote: Visorslash** Scummy man. Greedy. Eating you soon. ---
**Author:** ![Visorslash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/ee59a6/32.png) [@Visorslash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Visorslash)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2012, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2824 "2012-05-11T14:33:18Z")
> [@Mosier](#): > > Zomo want music! Second only to braaaains. > > **Teal Harp Glee** > > Damage do nothing good so far. Overpowered? No. > > **Vote: Visorslash** > > Scummy man. Greedy. Eating you soon. Alright Zombie man, I’ll bite. Why? ---
**Author:** ![Tanaer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tanaer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tanaer)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2012, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2825 "2012-05-11T14:40:04Z")
> [@glee](#): > > Thank you! > I am now a Knight. > > .. > I would like to bid for the Teal Harp, as I think **I am specially qualified to use it**. What makes a knight specially qualified to use a harp? Not that anyone is going to vote me anything except a sharp demon claw:( Ungrateful lumps of lard. I even damage your demon and you just suspect and suspect and suspect. > [@](#): > > Post 3 from Askthepizzaguy says that inactive players will be eliminated using the “ **Wrath of the Demon** ” - so this is just a phrase describing a rule. Totally true. But I think the question was still an interesting one - the demon seems to kill one person by physical means, another by magical - do these methods indicate anything? ---
**Author:** ![Tanaer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tanaer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tanaer)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2012, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2826 "2012-05-11T14:42:38Z")
**Mosier** , if you want music maybe you should give the harp to a trainee bard instead of a knight - he’s just going to play pathetic chords at the foot of some damsel’s tower anyway. ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2012, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2827 "2012-05-11T14:43:43Z")
> [@Tanaer](#): > > What makes a knight specially qualified to use a harp? It’s nothing about being a Knight (cue mysterious music…) > [@Tanaer](#): > > the demon seems to kill one person by physical means, another by magical - do these methods indicate anything? I suggest that Lord Phere ‘channels’ the evil people’s abilities as he kills - perhaps there are both evil Soldiers and evil Mages? ---
**Author:** ![Mosier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ea924/32.png) [@Mosier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mosier)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2012, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2828 "2012-05-11T14:49:42Z")
> [@Visorslash](#): > > Alright Zombie man, I’ll bite. Why? You bite? Ha! Zomo biting, not scummy human. ---
**Author:** ![Visorslash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/ee59a6/32.png) [@Visorslash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Visorslash)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2012, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2829 "2012-05-11T14:50:40Z")
> [@Mosier](#): > > You bite? Ha! Zomo biting, not scummy human. I got teeth too matey. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2012, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2830 "2012-05-11T14:59:01Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > Septimus, you came off really strongly as trying to fish for my elemental alignment last night, bad enough for me to make “if I wind up dead” plans. Can we talk some about that now by PM? I am mystified. I did not _ask_ about your element; I _told_ you, as a heads-up, one Townie to another, that your likely elemental alignment _might_ be apparent from the public record. If you want a private dialog on the matter, why not PM me instead of asking me to PM you? 😕 (I _have_ asked other Players about their element … and told them mine. This seems a good way to try to understand the game, especially the Attackings.) My characterization of our PM exchange is: me looking to share info and strategy; and you using the exchange just to cross-examine me for possible scum motive. I’m quite happy to publish the exchange, if you wish. Anyway, toDay’s vote looks easy. I’ve had suspicions off-and-on, but yesterDay he declined to use his double-vote to select a Lynchee, preferring to let the triple-voter have control. That is decidedly anti-Town. **Vote: Visorslash** ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2012, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2831 "2012-05-11T15:13:49Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > I am mystified. I did not _ask_ about your element; I _told_ you, as a heads-up, one Townie to another, that your likely elemental alignment _might_ be apparent from the public record. If you want a private dialog on the matter, why not PM me instead of asking me to PM you? 😕 It seemed like you were trying to get me to confirm your guess one way or the other. As someone who’s been attacked a fair amount and frustrated her attackers every time so far, it’s not hard for me to imagine someone who wants to attack me trying something like that in order to make their task easier. Not to mention Weedy had tried the same thing just before she died. I don’t want you to post the PMs, no; I just want my uneasiness about your approach to me to be public. (Which is why I didn’t bother PMing you first.) > [@](#): > > (I _have_ asked other Players about their element … and told them mine. This seems a good way to try to understand the game, especially the Attackings.) Why? What are you hoping to gain? > [@](#): > > My characterization of our PM exchange is: me looking to share info and strategy; and you using the exchange just to cross-examine me for possible scum motive. I’m quite happy to publish the exchange, if you wish. As I’ve said, no, but I have no issue with your characterization of our conversation. I don’t understand where you’re coming from with your approach. You say you trust me to be town, but you don’t offer information freely; you want information from me. The people _I_ trust and am interested in talking to, I don’t believe I’ve asked them for anything at all. I just give them my information and they can do what they want with it. Do you see why your approach might bother me? > [@](#): > > Anyway, toDay’s vote looks easy. I’ve had suspicions off-and-on, but yesterDay he declined to use his double-vote to select a Lynchee, preferring to let the triple-voter have control. That is decidedly anti-Town. > > [COLOR=“Blue”]\*\*Vote: Visorslash Yes. Now tell me why it’s scummy. ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2012, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2832 "2012-05-11T15:29:38Z")
Okay, something’s screwy with these write-ups, because while I _did_ expect an attack from certain parties who seemed hostile to me–oh, to heck with it, I’ll just say **Gadarene** and **Visorslash** –I most certainly didn’t block myself\*; I’d arranged for someone else to protect me. Yet as far as I know this someone else doesn’t have “Shadow” as an element. So is it possible some third party protected me, but apparently not very well? And someone else healed me too, for that mattter (for which I’m grateful). - In truth, I don’t even _have_ defensive powers, but I do have ex-post-facto healing abilities, and yet I didn’t heal myself either since i was expecting protection! But does the write-up make it look like I was doing so myself? That seems too freaky even for a **pizza** game. Unless illusions are involved? Do we have a wizard among us? I performed one action last Night and it was flat-out unsuccessful. This is the first time this power has not been successful, so I’m a bit worried. Also, the return of so many is, on the one hand, good for Town, but on the other, we have no idea if these are benefactors or malefactors. Sadly **Gadarene** got the bloodshed he said he’d been expecting; three deaths in one Night is pretty bloody. Although at least one was Wrath of Demon (i.e. a meta death), so it’s not a reflection on Scum. Then again, maybe we have a Vig after all. Maybe someone got bumped up a level to Ninja Assassin or whatever. Need time to think before I vote. I can’t say I’m against the **Visorslash** votes, since I suspect he might have been my attacker, but for me it’s way too early in the Day to make any votes one way or another. ---
**Author:** ![Tanaer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tanaer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tanaer)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2012, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2833 "2012-05-11T15:41:56Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > Yes. Now tell me why it’s scummy. Yeah you didn’t ask me, but you pretty much ignore me so I’m answering this anyway. Anti-town means scummy. Anti-town means, unless I’m mistaken, _against town_ which is a definition of scum. (As opposed to someone who’s just not pro-town. Which is different). ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2012, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2834 "2012-05-11T15:51:03Z")
I disagree. Disappearing for days without voting, making actions or votes for unproductive reasons and so on – those things and more could all be called anti-town. But townies will do lots of anti-town things. I’m not disputing that Visorslash’s lack of a vote was anti-town. It was. I want to know why (or even if) Septimus thinks that means he’s scum. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2012, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2835 "2012-05-11T18:56:56Z")
It’s very clear from the write-ups that there are multiple factions or win conditions. An initial post mentions Blue Town, Purple Greedy, Green Adventurers, and Red Traitors. ToeJam reveal showed he was Rogue (but Blue) but “somewhat Neutral”(Green). I certainly haven’t figured any details out, and adopt a simplified model that there are Good Townies, Third Parties (probably with different win-cons), and Very Evil Scum. We also know, because Gadarene said so, that Townies could be invited to change their win-con. Perhaps Third Parties can also change to a different Third Party win-con, or even become Evil. A few players have admitted to (or been outed as) Neutral. Fubbles is one, and has been allowed to live because he claims to be playing pro-Town. If we identify someone who is likely to be Very Evil, I will be happy to vote him, but meanwhile I vote Visorslash. He admitted to being Neutral (which likely means he had a 3rd-Party win-con _), and has been playing very Anti-Town. (_ All Townie dead have been “Good”; the only “Neutral” death was of ToeJam the Rogue Thief.) I think one of the following is the case [ul][li] 1. Visorslash started with an Evil win-con or anti-Town Neutral win-con.[/li][li] 2. Visorslash started with a Neutral win-con, but accepted a change to Evil (or anti-Town) win-con.[/li][li] 3. Visorslash continues to have a win-con that is not anti-Town, but nevertheless plays in anti-Town fashion.[/li][/ul] In cases 1 and 2, I’m happy with my Vote. In case 3, I’m not upset about it. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2012, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2836 "2012-05-11T18:59:42Z")
Per Lightfoot’s request, I’ll post an updated hp summary with “protecting” corrections, though there’ve been few changes. Details: Day 1 ROUND OVER SUMMARY: Lord Phere takes 80hp damage. Lord Phere takes 80hp damage. Lightfoot takes 25hp damage. Inner Stickler takes 75hp damage. (protecting BobArrgh) BobArggh takes 25hp damage. (protecting Glee) Visorslash takes 100hp damage. ToeJam takes 50hp damage. GuiriEnEspana takes 50hp damage. (protecting Inner Stickler?) Red Skeezix takes 60hp damage. Mosier is slain by Demon Lord Phere [see vote tally] Night 1 ROUND OVER SUMMARY: PetW takes no damage. Visorslash takes 100hp damage. GuiriEnEspana recovers 50hp. Glee is slain by Demon Lord Phere Inner Stickler is slain by Demon Lord Phere Drain Bead is replaced by Believerer Day 2 ROUND OVER SUMMARY: Normal Phase takes no damage. (protecting fubbleskag) Normal Phase takes no damage. Visorslash takes 50hp damage. Visorslash takes 100hp damage. Visorslash takes 150hp damage. GuiriEnEspana takes 80hp damage. (protecting choie) ToeJam takes 25hp damage. Visorslash recovers by 100hp. Visorslash recovers by 100hp. Lord Phere takes 100hp damage. Lord Phere takes 25hp damage. Lord Phere takes 70hp damage. Lord Phere takes 80hp damage. Astral Rejection was slain by Lord Phere. Night 2 ROUND OVER SUMMARY: Visorslash takes 100hp damage. GuiriEnEspana is slain in battle by Lord Phere. Mosier has returned from the grave. Astral Rejection has been returned. Day 3 ROUND OVER SUMMARY: Suburban Plankton takes no damage. (protected by helm) Mosier takes 100hp damage. Mosier takes 100hp damage. RealityTrip takes 50hp damage. ToeJam takes 100hp damage. Lord Phere takes 100hp damage. Choie takes 100hp damage. Normal Phase takes no damage. MHaye takes 100hp damage. Lord Phere takes 80hp damage. Choie recovers 100hp. Astral Rejection recovers 100hp. ToeJam is slain by Lord Phere. Night 3 ROUND OVER SUMMARY: Gnarlycharlie takes 100hp damage. GuiriEnEspana has been returned. Weedy is slain by Lord Phere. Day 4 ROUND OVER SUMMARY: Gnarlycharlie takes 200hp damage. Gnarlycharlie takes 100hp damage. Mosier takes 50hp damage. Visorslash takes 100hp damage. Believerer takes 50hp damage. RealityTrip takes 100hp damage. Tanaer takes 100hp damage. Suburban Plankton takes 75hp damage. Normal Phase takes no damage. (defending choie) Lord Phere takes 100hp damage. Gnarlycharlie recovers 100hp. GuiriEnEspana recovers 100hp. Choie recovers 0hp. MHaye is slain by Lord Phere. Night 4 ROUND OVER SUMMARY: Scathach takes 50hp damage. Gadarene is slain. Choie takes 100hp damage. Choie recovers 100hp. BobArrgh is slain in battle by Lord Phere (via a giant mace) PetW is slain in battle by Lord Phere (via an ice spell) Mahaloth incurs the Wrath of the Demon Summary: [ul] [li]DEAD 1. Mahaloth - Mage [Good][/li][li]2. Believerer (-50)[/li][li]3. Suburban Plankton (-75)[/li][li]RESU 4. Mosier (-250) - Soldier [Good][/li][li]5. Scathach (-50)[/li][li]6. Fubbleskag[/li][li]DEAD 7. Weedy - White Mage [Very Evil][/li][li]DEAD 8. Gadarene - Ranger [Good][/li][li]DEAD 9. PetW - Wizard [no data][/li][li]RESU 10. Astral Rejection (+100) - Soldier [Good][/li][li]11. gnarlycharlie (-300)[/li][li]12. NAF1138[/li][li]13. septimus[/li][li]RESU 14. GuiriEnEspana (+20) - White Mage [Good][/li][li]DEAD 15. (Inner Stickler V1) (-75) - Soldier [Good][/li][li]16. Lightfoot (-25)[/li][li]17. Silver Jan[/li][li]18. choie (-0)[/li][li]DEAD 19. BobArrgh (-25) - Dragon Slayer [Good][/li][li]20. Tanaer (-100)[/li][li]21. Red Skeezix (-60)[/li][li]22. Normal Phase[/li][li]DEAD 23. MHaye (-100) - Black Mage [Good][/li][li]24. Inner Stickler V2 (was RealityTrip) (-150)[/li][li]25. Glee V2 (was Lilflower)[/li][li]DEAD 26. (Glee V1) - Soldier [Good][/li][li]27. Visorslash (-500)[/li][li]28. storyteller0910[/li][li]DEAD 29. ToeJam (-175) - Rogue (Thief) [Neutral][/li][li]30. Askthepizzaguy “Lord Phere” (-715)[/li][/ul] ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2012, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2837 "2012-05-11T19:05:33Z")
Well, Today’s off to a quick start…I’m not sure I’m entirely comfortable with the pace, though… > [@Scathach](#): > > I wonder if the way that people were killed by Lord Phere means anything? > > BobArrgh is slain in battle by Lord Phere, via a giant mace. > PetW is slain in battle by Lord Phere, via an ice spell. > Mahaloth incurs the Wrath of the Demon and is removed from play. > > It seems an unusual thing to mention if not. I’m quite certain that it does mean something. Most likely the method of attack is meant to give us clues as to who the attackers are, and the same with protections, healing, etc. One thing I have not been paying close attention to is the type of weapons being used; I’ve been keeping track of ‘physical vs. magical’ attacks, but nothing more. Since Pizza specified “giant mace” and “bladed weapon” in this writeup, I think it bears going back over the previous Days to see if the same can be discerned from earlier color. > [@septimus](#): > > It’s very clear from the write-ups that there are multiple factions or win conditions. An initial post mentions Blue Town, Purple Greedy, Green Adventurers, and Red Traitors. ToeJam reveal showed he was Rogue (but Blue) but “somewhat Neutral”(Green). I certainly haven’t figured any details out, and adopt a simplified model that there are Good Townies, Third Parties (probably with different win-cons), and Very Evil Scum. > > We also know, because Gadarene said so, that Townies could be invited to change their win-con. Perhaps Third Parties can also change to a different Third Party win-con, or even become Evil. > > A few players have admitted to (or been outed as) Neutral. Fubbles is one, and has been allowed to live because he claims to be playing pro-Town. > > If we identify someone who is likely to be Very Evil, I will be happy to vote him, but meanwhile I vote Visorslash. He admitted to being Neutral (which likely means he had a 3rd-Party win-con _), and has been playing very Anti-Town. (_ All Townie dead have been “Good”; the only “Neutral” death was of ToeJam the Rogue Thief.) I agree that we have multiple factions. But I don’t think we can say with confidence that all of the “Good” players that have died were also “Town”. We can \*probably \*infer that they were not a threat to Town, but I think that it’s entirely possible that some of them were from non-Town factions. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2012, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2838 "2012-05-11T19:08:24Z")
**Blue Bow: Lightfoot Red Bow: Tanaer White Staff: Silver Jan White Scepter: Guiri Teal Harp: Glee** ---
**Author:** ![Tanaer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tanaer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tanaer)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2012, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2839 "2012-05-11T21:31:54Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > We also know, because Gadarene said so, that Townies could be invited to change their win-con. Perhaps Third Parties can also change to a different Third Party win-con, or even become Evil. I can confirm now what Gadarene said as I was offered a similar (same?) deal at the end of Yesterday. I didn’t take it either. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2012, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2840 "2012-05-12T00:30:13Z")
@ \*\* Suburban Plankton \*\* etal Are we talking law alignment or moral alignment? I think it may make a difference [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480.md?page=141) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480.md?page=143)