# \[Mafia game\] The Realm of Phere **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 1, 2012, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480 "2012-04-01T15:04:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 143
**Author:** ![Tanaer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tanaer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tanaer)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2012, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2841 "2012-05-12T00:40:14Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > I agree that we have multiple factions. But I don’t think we can say with confidence that all of the “Good” players that have died were also “Town”. We can \*probably \*infer that they were not a threat to Town, but I think that it’s entirely possible that some of them were from non-Town factions. > [@LightFoot](#): > > @ \*\* > Suburban Plankton \*\* etal > > Are we talking law alignment or moral alignment? > > I think it may make a difference I thought it was clear we were talking about moral alignment. It’s definitely not about law - I’m chaotic, and I’m town. ---
**Author:** ![Tanaer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tanaer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tanaer)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2012, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2842 "2012-05-12T00:48:02Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > I agree that we have multiple factions. But I don’t think we can say with confidence that all of the “Good” players that have died were also “Town”. We can \*probably \*infer that they were not a threat to Town, but I think that it’s entirely possible that some of them were from non-Town factions. I think what you say has merit. We certainly have people from all over. If they’re not a threat to town, though, and they’re good… maybe we can label them townish and still be able to use the reveals? I mean, good folk are generally trying to do the right thing. ---
**Author:** ![Tanaer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tanaer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tanaer)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2012, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2843 "2012-05-12T00:50:23Z")
How long have people had to wait for role change PMs? I finally decided to try a soldier alternative (there were lots of archers apparently so I thought I’d try berserker! - Also because people are attacking me and I hope it will give me a chance at defence) ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2012, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2844 "2012-05-12T01:01:20Z")
> [@Tanaer](#): > > I thought it was clear we were talking about moral alignment. It’s definitely not about law - I’m chaotic, and I’m town. I read neutral as being a throw away term. Wanted it clarified since you can be law neutral and/or moral neutral Which I note \*\* gnarly charlie \*\* claims to both be - so are we deducing that he has a different win/con than moral aligned good? \* no wonder the Mod takes a bit to give results. colour me confused. on point though. Since We can change either alignment by actions/deeds there is a low chance that a Townie can become Scum ( since they could become Town again and have Scum knowledge) right? There is something else in play here. From the rules > [@](#): > > How To Play guide > > **Alignment Shift:** > > During the day or night, you may perform an action which affects the karma of your character. Good or lawful actions may shift you in that direction, unlawful or violent actions may shift you in the other direction. Note that townies can turn **Good** , **Neutral** , or **Evil** , and that **Lawful** , **Neutral** , and \*\*Chaotic \*\*aligned characters can all be townies. > > [ul] > [li]Alignment affects what sorts of classes your character can become. Lawful characters cannot become every class that a chaotic character can. Purely good characters cannot become every class either.[/li][/ul] > > \*\*Good \<—\> Neutral \<------\> Evil > \*\* > **Lawful \<------\> Neutral \<------\> Chaotic** ---
**Author:** ![Tanaer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tanaer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tanaer)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2012, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2845 "2012-05-12T01:27:09Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > I read neutral as being a throw away term. Wanted it clarified > > since you can be law neutral and/or moral neutral > > Which I note \*\* gnarly charlie \*\* claims to both be > > - so are we deducing that he has a different win/con than moral aligned good? \* > no wonder the Mod takes a bit to give results. > colour me confused. > on point though. Since We can change either alignment by actions/deeds there is a low chance that a Townie can become Scum ( since they could become Town again and have Scum knowledge) right? > There is something else in play here. Yes, and temptation is never far from reach. The way I read my offer was that attacking - even the demon, apparently - can give one the choice of heading toward the dark side. I think that someone who went to evil and started to try to come back again might draw Pizza’s attention though - it’s a bit of obvious game breaking. Also, being evil, while probably being inherently anti-town, wouldn’t necessarily put you in a team/faction. Just my thoughts. ---
**Author:** ![Visorslash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/ee59a6/32.png) [@Visorslash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Visorslash)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2012, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2846 "2012-05-12T01:29:44Z")
> [@choie](#): > > Okay, something’s screwy with these write-ups, because while I _did_ expect an attack from certain parties who seemed hostile to me–oh, to heck with it, I’ll just say **Gadarene** and **Visorslash** –I most certainly didn’t block myself\*; I’d arranged for someone else to protect me. Yet as far as I know this someone else doesn’t have “Shadow” as an element. So is it possible some third party protected me, but apparently not very well? And someone else healed me too, for that mattter (for which I’m grateful). > > - In truth, I don’t even _have_ defensive powers, but I do have ex-post-facto healing abilities, and yet I didn’t heal myself either since i was expecting protection! But does the write-up make it look like I was doing so myself? That seems too freaky even for a **pizza** game. Unless illusions are involved? Do we have a wizard among us? > > I performed one action last Night and it was flat-out unsuccessful. This is the first time this power has not been successful, so I’m a bit worried. Also, the return of so many is, on the one hand, good for Town, but on the other, we have no idea if these are benefactors or malefactors. > > Sadly **Gadarene** got the bloodshed he said he’d been expecting; three deaths in one Night is pretty bloody. Although at least one was Wrath of Demon (i.e. a meta death), so it’s not a reflection on Scum. Then again, maybe we have a Vig after all. Maybe someone got bumped up a level to Ninja Assassin or whatever. > > Need time to think before I vote. I can’t say I’m against the **Visorslash** votes, since I suspect he might have been my attacker, but for me it’s way too early in the Day to make any votes one way or another. … My only night action is sleep. I have a day attack/protect. I’m not even interested in attacking you anymore, you’ve dropped off my list of people that I think are scum. My vote was used to vote who I think was scum. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2012, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2847 "2012-05-12T03:40:32Z")
> [@Tanaer](#): > > Yes, and temptation is never far from reach. The way I read my offer was that attacking - even the demon, apparently - can give one the choice of heading toward the dark side. > > I think that someone who went to evil and started to try to come back again might draw Pizza’s attention though - it’s a bit of obvious game breaking. > > Also, being evil, while probably being inherently anti-town, wouldn’t necessarily put you in a team/faction. > > Just my thoughts. New thought ( hoopy will love this) Given the " reveals" what if there isn’t really a Scum Team? not off board or aware of each? If we are cast in a sea with a mod that slaps us around with the Lord Phere character. a really awesome character study too much? yeah probably. going to take my beverage maninated head to bed now. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2012, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2848 "2012-05-12T04:26:17Z")
> [@Mosier](#): > > You bite? Ha! Zomo biting Biting, eh? How kinky. It’s getting rather Zomoerotic up in here. I’m sure that will piss off all the Zomophobes. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2012, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2849 "2012-05-12T04:47:22Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > New thought ( hoopy will love this) > Given the " reveals" what if there isn’t really a Scum Team? not off board or aware of each? > > If we are cast in a sea with a mod that slaps us around with the Lord Phere character. a really awesome character study > > too much? yeah probably. going to take my beverage maninated head to bed now. I think, until evidence is produced otherwise, that a blue Good deathflip means townie and a red Evil means scum. So one scum, Weedy has been killed and the rest have been town or third party. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2012, 6:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2850 "2012-05-12T06:30:46Z")
4 deaths in one night, that’s not good. Funny that **Mahaloth** didn’t try and catch up here.\*\* Gaderene\*\*'s death is the one that really bothers me. I can’t understand why he would be a scum kill, he was getting a lot of flack anyway and there were a few people that wanted to lynch him so why would scum waste a NK on him? **Vote Visorslash** He has readily admitted to attacking people willy nilly yet he didn’t vote to lynch anyone, even if he’s 3rd Party I think Town would be better off without him. ---
**Author:** ![Visorslash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/ee59a6/32.png) [@Visorslash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Visorslash)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2012, 7:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2851 "2012-05-12T07:04:06Z")
> [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > 4 deaths in one night, that’s not good. Funny that **Mahaloth** didn’t try and catch up here.\*\* Gaderene\*\*'s death is the one that really bothers me. I can’t understand why he would be a scum kill, he was getting a lot of flack anyway and there were a few people that wanted to lynch him so why would scum waste a NK on him? > > **Vote Visorslash** > > He has readily admitted to attacking people willy nilly yet he didn’t vote to lynch anyone, even if he’s 3rd Party I think Town would be better off without him. Ah… yes I did vote to lynch someone. EDIT: That person wasn’t lynched, so what? ---
**Author:** ![Tanaer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tanaer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tanaer)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2012, 8:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2852 "2012-05-12T08:01:59Z")
> [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > 4 deaths in one night, that’s not good. Funny that **Mahaloth** didn’t try and catch up here.\*\* Gaderene\*\*'s death is the one that really bothers me. I can’t understand why he would be a scum kill, he was getting a lot of flack anyway and there were a few people that wanted to lynch him so why would scum waste a NK on him? That didn’t look like an ordinary night kill to me - they seem to be dealt by the big guy. I assumed it was a vigilante or someone who’s reached some kind of assassin goal. Equally in our sights, tho. ---
**Author:** ![Tanaer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tanaer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tanaer)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2012, 8:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2853 "2012-05-12T08:12:43Z")
Suburban was pinging me already Yesterday with grabbing things people said, ignoring their context, and pushing them separately. (e.g. the bit with Silver Jan’s vote change after checking her facts). It smelled of stirring up trouble in the town, enough to vote him. Add to that the fact that Gadarene has been at him every day & got assassinated. I don’t like losing a power role, someone with tracking skills even, from town. I am looking at Gadarene’s apparent hysteria from a different angle. **vote Suburban Plankton** ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2012, 10:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2854 "2012-05-12T10:39:34Z")
Any townie voting for Visorslash should recall his state of being down a solid 500 hp and organize a vig posse instead. His would very nearly be a wasted lynch, since by this point probably another 3 or 4 hits would finish him off. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2012, 10:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2855 "2012-05-12T10:47:02Z")
> [@Tanaer](#): > > Suburban was pinging me already Yesterday with grabbing things people said, ignoring their context, and pushing them separately. (e.g. the bit with Silver Jan’s vote change after checking her facts). It smelled of stirring up trouble in the town, enough to vote him. I’d appreciate this comment a bit more if it were better sourced and explained in more detail exactly what your examples are and how they speak of just stirring up trouble. > [@](#): > > Add to that the fact that Gadarene has been at him every day & got assassinated. > I don’t like losing a power role, someone with tracking skills even, from town. I am looking at Gadarene’s apparent hysteria from a different angle. > > [color=‘blue’]\*\*vote Suburban Plankton Tracking skills? What tracking skills? Regardless and assuming both that you’re right and that it’s something a diligent scum team would be on top of, what do you think of the idea that that would be reason enough for scum to kill Gadarene by itself, independent of anything to do with Suburban Plankton? You’re using this as support for your vote against SP, but it actually detracts from one of your other points. Finally – why are you assumign that Gadarene’s death was not a vig? Oh, and I don’t know what you mean by your final sentence. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2012, 10:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2856 "2012-05-12T10:48:53Z")
Wait I just read your previous post that Gadarene’s killer you ARE assuming was a vig or someone with an independent goal. Yet you’re still voting SP on the theory that SP may have been the killer? ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2012, 10:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2857 "2012-05-12T10:51:26Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > Well, Today’s off to a quick start…I’m not sure I’m entirely comfortable with the pace, though… What do mean by this? ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2012, 10:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2858 "2012-05-12T10:53:46Z")
> [@Tanaer](#): > > How long have people had to wait for role change PMs? I finally decided to try a soldier alternative (there were lots of archers apparently so I thought I’d try berserker! - Also because people are attacking me and I hope it will give me a chance at defence) Berserker is a bizarre choice of role for someone who says she wants defense. Everything about it shouts “offensive role here”. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2012, 10:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2859 "2012-05-12T10:58:53Z")
Septimus, I still need answers to some of my questions in 2831. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2012, 11:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2860 "2012-05-12T11:04:58Z")
Visorslash: > [@](#): > > Visorslash vf realitytrip, 2409 This was day four when RT was wogbait. (Noting that you’re right and you did vote and whoever said you didn’t and that was anti-town was off base … Hang on that was Septimus and it seems that both I and Silver Jan misunderstood him: > [@](#): > > Anyway, toDay’s vote looks easy. I’ve had suspicions off-and-on, but yesterDay he declined to use his double-vote to select a Lynchee, preferring to let the triple-voter have control. That is decidedly anti-Town. > > Vote: Visorslash so nevermind in a sense. Anyway.) RT was wogbait yesterday, yet you voted for him. Today he has been replaced, by Inner Stickler. What do you think of him? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480.md?page=142) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480.md?page=144)