# \[Mafia game\] The Realm of Phere **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 1, 2012, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480 "2012-04-01T15:04:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 145
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2012, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2881 "2012-05-12T18:57:32Z")
[out of game]Just letting everyone know I could use a sub or two in my game on Idlemafia. Feel free to send me a message if you’re interested/can[/out of game] ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2012, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2882 "2012-05-12T20:11:50Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > [out of game]Just letting everyone know I could use a sub or two in my game on Idlemafia. Feel free to send me a message if you’re interested/can[/out of game] I would love to but I think I would make an awful sub lol ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2012, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2883 "2012-05-12T20:22:42Z")
> [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > I would love to but I think I would make an awful sub lol Especially as I am playing already, it’s my split personality and all 😛 ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2012, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2884 "2012-05-12T20:46:37Z")
Carp ( to coin a phrase) when is EOD? ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2012, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2885 "2012-05-12T20:52:55Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > Carp ( to coin a phrase) when is EOD? To quote the demon and/or game master: > [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > Day Five will end on Tuesday, 17:00 (5:00PM) Eastern Time (GMT-05:00, US & Canada), May 15th 2012. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2012, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2886 "2012-05-12T21:06:36Z")
Barely over half ( if that) have posted so far this Day ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2012, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2887 "2012-05-12T21:29:44Z")
I’ll post later tonight, maybe. It was my brother’s college graduation, so we’ve been celebrating, and I’m seeing a concert tonight. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2012, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2888 "2012-05-13T05:04:33Z")
> [@Visorslash](#): > > This one. > > Look, it says in the OP that townies can be good, evil or neutral. Evil doesn’t mean scum. Any other alignment bar those three are definitely scum (probably) of some kind. > > I mean, scum could be one of those, but who knows. _shrug_ If the deathflip isn’t telling us T/S alignment, we’re playing noflip. If we’re playing noflip, what’s the point of the writeups? Why bother telling us someone was a Good Adventurer or a Neutral Rogue or an Evil Mage if that doesn’t give us any info on the game state? ---
**Author:** ![Visorslash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/ee59a6/32.png) [@Visorslash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Visorslash)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2012, 7:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2889 "2012-05-13T07:44:22Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > _shrug_ > > If the deathflip isn’t telling us T/S alignment, we’re playing noflip. If we’re playing noflip, what’s the point of the writeups? Why bother telling us someone was a Good Adventurer or a Neutral Rogue or an Evil Mage if that doesn’t give us any info on the game state? You’re saying that you don’t enjoy a good writeup? For shame. I’m not entirely sold on the premise, but I would say that evil isn’t necessarily scum. Anything else, most likely. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2012, 9:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2890 "2012-05-13T09:32:49Z")
After thinking long and hard about this, I have decided to **Unvote Visorslash** and **vote gnarlycharlie** Yes **gnarly** , I do know your playing style and you are pinging the hell out of me. **Gad \*\* was very open about trying to lynch you and what do you know,** Gad \*\*is dead. You said very openly that you love the way we can talk off board in this game and yet you haven’t bothered to say anything to me. I have been chatting a lot off board and I have some people that I trust implicitly. I am waiting for the fallout for my vote but I think some others will back me up with more info than I have. ---
**Author:** ![Visorslash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/ee59a6/32.png) [@Visorslash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Visorslash)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2012, 9:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2891 "2012-05-13T09:58:43Z")
**Unvote; Vote: Gnarlycharlie** 🙇‍♂️ ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2012, 12:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2892 "2012-05-13T12:20:12Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > Any townie voting for Visorslash should recall his state of being down a solid 500 hp and organize a vig posse instead. His would very nearly be a wasted lynch, since by this point probably another 3 or 4 hits would finish him off. It may be that Visorslash is close to dying from Attacks, though that’s jumping to conclusions, but even if was assume it to be true, that fact cuts both ways. If we had _two_ strong Scum suspects, it might be logical to spare Visorslash as he’s likely to be Vig-killed anyway. But what if the other suspect is likely to be yet another misLynch? If presented with two Lynch candidates and concerned that either might be a misLynch, now Lynching Visorslash would be the logical choice – less is lost, since he was soon to be Vig-killed anyway. So what we need is another strong Scum suspect. I don’t have one. Scathach and Suburban are still the two pinging me most, but the pings aren’t strong and no one else is pursuing these cases. Now Gnarlycharlie is presented as a candidate. I still get Townish vibes from him. His reticent style in this game is how I recall him playing when Town. And even those who think he’s likely to be Scum should heed the comment about prior damage. Gnarly has suffered more damage than anyone but Visor and actually went dead before a 100hp healing. Thus it is Gnarly, not Visor, who would be easiest for the Town Vigs to kill, and therefore be the way to waste our Lynch. This seems clear to me. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2012, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2893 "2012-05-13T18:17:33Z")
This just in as far as I know, \*\* Gad \*\* had ONE vistor last night Do y’all think that’s what killed 'em? ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2012, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2894 "2012-05-13T18:26:14Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > This just in > > as far as I know, \*\* Gad \*\* had ONE vistor last night > > Do y’all think that’s what killed 'em? Considering the death wasn’t via magic or something else long-distance, but rather a knife, I’d say it’s pretty likely. But to be fair, **Gadarene** was so cagey and hypersensitive (overcompensating for guilt feelings?) I wasn’t certain he was Town myself. So honestly, I’m not 100% sold that someone who killed him is, perforce, scum. To answer **septimus** , considering the damage they’ve taken so far, I think if enough of us concentrate attacks on either **Visorslash** or **gnarlycharlie** , without some specific protective spell, they’ll probably be toast. So it’s six of one, half-dozen of the other as far as which one to vig, which one to vote. Unless, of course, you don’t think one of them is scum. In which case, IMHO, I still think it’s best to vote your conscience. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2012, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2895 "2012-05-13T18:33:11Z")
> [@choie](#): > > Considering the death wasn’t via magic or something else long-distance, but rather a knife, I’d say it’s pretty likely. > > But to be fair, **Gadarene** was so cagey and hypersensitive (overcompensating for guilt feelings?) I wasn’t certain he was Town myself. So honestly, I’m not 100% sold that someone who killed him is, perforce, scum. > > To answer **septimus** , considering the damage they’ve taken so far, I think if enough of us concentrate attacks on either **Visorslash** or **gnarlycharlie** , without some specific protective spell, they’ll probably be toast. So it’s six of one, half-dozen of the other as far as which one to vig, which one to vote. > > Unless, of course, you don’t think one of them is scum. In which case, IMHO, I still think it’s best to vote your conscience. could you be more vague? ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2012, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2896 "2012-05-13T18:37:34Z")
I had a PM with \*\* choie \*\* because \*\* silver Jan \*\* trusts 'em The statement above is so watered down I’m jumping off that wagon \*\* gnarlycharlie \*\* visited \*\* gad \*\* last Night and Gad is dead… what y’all think? ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2012, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2897 "2012-05-13T19:01:03Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > could you be more vague? Yeah, it’s called “considering options rather than jumping to conclusions.” You might give it a go. > [@LightFoot](#): > > I had a PM with \*\* choie \*\* because \*\* silver Jan \*\* trusts 'em > The statement above is so watered down I’m jumping off that wagon > > \*\* gnarlycharlie \*\* visited \*\* gad \*\* last Night and Gad is dead… what y’all think? Yep, it’s definitely a good idea not to trust someone because she’s a careful voter rather than being convinced merely by someone she has no proof is an actual witness. I mean, this is the thing – even if you actually saw **gnarly** kill **Gad** , why are you assuming he killed **Gad** because he knew **Gad** was town? Don’t forget, **Gad** was the chief beneficiary of the **Mosier** lynching and his behavior was generally useless to Town considering all he did was post short declarative sentences without any backing proof, and go CAPSLOCK CRAZY at anyone, which seemed (to me) to be an attempt to seem full of faux righteous indignation. **Gad** would’ve been a perfectly reasonable lynch option as far as I was concerned. Maybe **gnarly** felt the same way. Yes, he _was_ Good, which we’re assuming means Town. But **gnarlycharlie** didn’t necessarily know that before the fact. Of course if he’s scum, then yeah, he knew it. But right now there’s no way to tell. So I’m not trustworthy because I’m not taking your word as writ by God Himself. But why are _you_ trustworthy by default? As I said before, there’s a bit too much “I saw Goody Proctor dancing with the devil!” in these “I saw \_\_\_ doing \_\_\_\_” accusations, when we can’t possibly prove what you’ve actually seen. In other words, Tituba, you can claim _anything_ and there’s no way to disprove your accusations. Give us some back-up evidence of **gnarlycharlie** being scummy, something we can look at, rather than your utterly unprovable witnessing. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2012, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2898 "2012-05-13T19:21:39Z")
@ \*\* choie \*\* I’ve shared my investigations as such. it’s all I gots the post you made as I mentioned was watered down- well maybe- wishy washy- in my opinion.- my post had little to nothing to do with the ’ chat’ we had out of game. Don’t believe me it matters not ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2012, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2899 "2012-05-13T19:44:14Z")
NETA I’m not going to trust in PM’s it is not worth it to me. most think Normal and choie are stamped Town. If they aren’t they deserve to kick Town’s buttocks. i don’t drink anyone’s Koolaide. not laying down and rolling over ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2012, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2900 "2012-05-13T19:50:33Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > @ \*\* choie \*\* I’ve shared my investigations as such. it’s all I gots Fair enough, but you must see that on its own, it doesn’t tell us anything except that most likely, **gnarly** killed **Gad**. What if he finally got Vig powers and went after someone he thought was scum? Is that really, utterly, impossible to contemplate? Maybe I was wishy-washy, but I am very aware that we’ve killed (or otherwise lost) a fuckton of Townies with only one known (or presumed) scum. That makes me much less inclined to leap to attacking someone who might have been acting in town’s interests, at least as he saw it. The idea is to kill scum, not each other. Let me put it this way. Going back to Day One: You, a presumptive Townie, thought **Mosier** was scum, and voted for him. However, he wasn’t in any apparent danger of lynching, which may have been frustrating if you really thought him guilty. So if you’d had the ability to vig **Mosier** youself, would you have done it? Let’s say you decided to take matters into your own hands, because you could and by doing so, help rid Town of the scummy **Mosier**. Now he’s dead. And, oops, turns out he flipped Town. “Crap, my bad!” thinks the **LightFoot** of this hypothetical story. “Oh well. Lucky no one saw me.” But someone random, **Silver Jan** for example, actually _did_ see you go into **Mosier** ’s home. She reveals this. What reaction do you want to see from the rest of us at this point? Would you want us all to believe with 100% certainty that you’re scum? I mean geeze, I’m not a huge **gnarlycharlie** fan as he’s been playing in this game, and don’t get me wrong, his apparently killing **Gad** isn’t a point in his favor. But it’s not an absolute, and I prefer not to condemn him until we hear some explanations from him. > [@](#): > > Don’t believe me it matters not A wonderfully high-handed, almost regal response, but utter B.S. nonetheless. 🙂 Of _course_ you want people to believe you. First, you wouldn’t be having this huffy reaction if you didn’t care. Second, more importantly, if at least a majority don’t believe you, the person you think is scum won’t be lynched, and that’s obviously a bad thing. So don’t tell me “it matters not.” It does matter, quite a lot in fact. BTW, you don’t need the “@” sign, y’know. Just say my name, I’ll know you’re talking to me! 🙂 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480.md?page=144) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480.md?page=146)