# \[Mafia game\] The Realm of Phere **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 1, 2012, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480 "2012-04-01T15:04:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 150
**Author:** ![Visorslash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/ee59a6/32.png) [@Visorslash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Visorslash)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2981 "2012-05-15T01:30:22Z")
So we’re turning this wagon around? Well, it’s a target I can get behind. **Unvote; Vote: Mosier** Gnarly, you have the ability to kill, or deal damage? ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2982 "2012-05-15T01:40:52Z")
\*\* choie \*\* I was not ignoring you, I will say that your perceived tone ( intended or not) put me off. And since you read more into what I typed than I intended or even meant. I guess that knife cuts both ways. I started to say more @ you but decided to keep off it. I wasn’t smudging btw. And Monday at work was a 100 MPH day again. The ‘ pissy’ comment I made was directed at more than one player and more than one game.- it’s a bit of an epidemic on a few boards of late. And one got it right the ‘ I won’t die” comment was RL based so I can keep a cool head when the games get heated. ```auto Now on to **gnarly charlie** Even if he is not Scum. Randomly killing Town –* because he can*- is not good for Town. But we are in the dark as to who is Town as well. Arg this game is a beach Even If **gnarly** isn’t Scum and continues to kill Town isn’t that counter productive for the ‘ good guys’ ( I mean Town don’t get batman on me.) ``` ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2983 "2012-05-15T01:45:26Z")
> [@Visorslash](#): > > If you attack someone, that is an unlawful act. Therefore if you do two of these, you have the ability to change your (Good/Neutral) alignment down a phase to (Neutral/Evil) OR you can not accept the change OR you can change the other alignment things (Lawful/Neutral) to (Neutral/Chaotic). You can only do one of the options. > > If you protect someone twice then you can switch your alignment from (Neutral/Evil) to (Good/Neutral), do nothing or (Neutral/Chaotic) to (Lawful/Neutral). > > Understand? I can verify this statement- if I read it right ---
**Author:** ![Tanaer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tanaer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tanaer)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2984 "2012-05-15T03:04:44Z")
> [@Visorslash](#): > > If you attack someone, that is an unlawful act. Therefore if you do two of these, you have the ability to change your (Good/Neutral) alignment down a phase to (Neutral/Evil) OR you can not accept the change OR you can change the other alignment things (Lawful/Neutral) to (Neutral/Chaotic). You can only do one of the options. > > If you protect someone twice then you can switch your alignment from (Neutral/Evil) to (Good/Neutral), do nothing or (Neutral/Chaotic) to (Lawful/Neutral). > > Understand? Pretty much how I understood it ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2985 "2012-05-15T03:30:39Z")
really bad day can’t keep track of EOD \*\* vote gnarlie charlie \*\* an unbridled killer is not pro Town. subject to change maybe I’m too tired to think ---
**Author:** ![gnarlycharlie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/5f9b8f/32.png) [@gnarlycharlie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnarlycharlie)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 6:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2986 "2012-05-15T06:01:06Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > This is the second time I’ve seen this. I attacked Mosier, not gnarlycharlie. my apologies. > [@glee](#): > > OK, but that would mean Town (Gadarene) attacking Town Vigilante (gnarlycharlie), who then kills the Townie instead of asking for protection. > > It’s a mess (or gnarlycharlie is Scum.) > [@Tanaer](#): > > I’m very dubious about GnarlyCharlie. I get vigilantism. I don’t know if I condone it, especially for a retaliatory attack more than trying to get rid of scum. He could have at least asked for protection before killing off another townie. Gadarene was trying to get lynch support on Suburban and Charlie without much luck, so I guess he went for the attack option. > [@Tanaer](#): > > Very good point. I completely lost track of the night/day thing. **Choie** tells us some can defend at night though, and anonymously. Was **Gnarlycharlie** being attacked in the night, or just day? Did he ask for healing? it wasn’t merely retaliation. it was self-preservation. he would have likely attacked me again toDay and that would likely be the end of me. i didn’t ask for protection or healing. i don’t know anyone who has those powers. besides, i doubt anyone would have protected me or healed me again. > [@Visorslash](#): > > So we’re turning this wagon around? Well, it’s a target I can get behind. > > Unvote; Vote: Mosier > > Gnarly, you have the ability to kill, or deal damage? kill. > [@LightFoot](#): > > really bad day > can’t keep track of EOD > > vote gnarlie charlie > > an unbridled killer is not pro Town. > > subject to change maybe I’m too tired to think hmm, so you don’t like vigs in general. i didn’t see that in past games. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 6:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2987 "2012-05-15T06:45:20Z")
This whole game is a mess for me. I really didn’t like **gnarly** killing\*\* Gad\*\*. I know he said it was for self preservation but there are players out there that can protect and that is often exposed during the Day phase. Sorry but I’m not sure if I buy it. **Gnarly** , would you have told us that you had killed\*\* Gad\*\* if you hadn’t been seen doing it? Who else have you killed? ---
**Author:** ![Tanaer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tanaer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tanaer)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 7:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2988 "2012-05-15T07:13:43Z")
fwiw, I was curious about voting numbers so this is how it looks by my count: Voting: **Astral Rejection** vf [del]gnarlycharlie 2903[/del], vf **Mosier** 2980 **Choie** vf **Mosier** 2961 **Guiri** vf **Scathach** 2803 **Inner Stickler** vf **Gnarlycharlie** 2914 **Lightfoot** vf **gnarlycharlie** 2985 **Mosier** vf **Visorslash** 2823 **Normal Phase** vf [del]Scathach 2804[/del], **Tanaer** 2807 **Scathach** vf **Guiri** 2806 **Septimus** vf **Visorslash** 2830 **Silver Jan** vf [del]Visorslash 2850[/del], **gnarlycharlie** 2890 **Storyteller0910** vf **Suburban Plankton** 2905 **Tanaer** vf **Suburban Plankton** 2853 **Visorslash** vf [del]Normal Phase 2820[/del], [del]gnarlycharlie 2891[/del], **Mosier** 2981 And by potential lynchee - tallies are without double votes as I’m not sure who has them anymore: **Gnarlycharlie** 3- **Silver Jan** 2890, [del]Visorslash 2891[/del], [del]Astral Rejection 2903[/del], **Inner Stickler** 2914, **Lightfoot** 2985 **Mosier** 3- **Choie** 2961, **Mosier** 2980, **Visorslash** 2981 **Visorslash** 2 - **Mosier** 2823, **Septimus** 2830, [del]Silver Jan 2850[/del] **Suburban Plankton** 2- **Tanaer** 2853, **Storyteller0910** 2905 **Scathach** 1- **Guiri** 2803, [del]Normal Phase 2804[/del] **Guiri** 1- **Scathach** 2806 ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 7:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2989 "2012-05-15T07:36:07Z")
> [@Visorslash](#): > > Soldiers can’t protect at night. We have a day attack and a day defend. Presumably Gadarene (and Astral) was attacking gnarlycharlie **during the day**. ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 7:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2990 "2012-05-15T07:38:10Z")
> [@Visorslash](#): > > If you attack someone, that is an unlawful act. Therefore if you do two of these, you have the ability to change your (Good/Neutral) alignment down a phase to (Neutral/Evil) OR you can not accept the change OR you can change the other alignment things (Lawful/Neutral) to (Neutral/Chaotic). You can only do one of the options. > > If you protect someone twice then you can switch your alignment from (Neutral/Evil) to (Good/Neutral), do nothing or (Neutral/Chaotic) to (Lawful/Neutral). > > Understand? 1. How do you know all this? 2. Askthepizzaguy told me \*\*attacking Phere was evil \*\*(I’m waiting for confirmation in the thread.) ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 7:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2991 "2012-05-15T07:43:21Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > Now on to \*\* gnarly charlie \*\* > > Even if he is not Scum. Randomly killing Town –\* because he can\*- is not good for Town. vote gnarlycharlie ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 7:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2992 "2012-05-15T07:49:21Z")
> [@choie](#): > > **Askthepizzaguy: Can you please confirm that I did NOT shield myself, but rather someone else did it for me (unsuccessfully, alas)?** I can’t confirm who did what, but I can say that there’s nothing in the writeup that indicates where the shield came from. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 7:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2993 "2012-05-15T07:57:14Z")
> [@glee](#): > > Askthepizzaguy: Does attacking Lord Phere count as good or neutral or evil? Anger, fear, aggression; the dark side of the Force are they. Easily they flow, quick to join you in a fight. If once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny… ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2994 "2012-05-15T13:02:58Z")
I got my beast master role PM today! And there was much rejoicing. It now very specifically says that my various alignments **and win condition** remain the same. Pizza seems to making this extra clear now. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2995 "2012-05-15T13:50:43Z")
I’m not at all certain I buy GC’s explanation either. I mean, I think that he clearly did do it for self-preservation, but I’m not sure I buy that that’s consistent with a town motivation. My instinct says no but I’d like to review his posts again first. I’ve actually been getting a rather townie impression from Mosier lately, up to but not including the disappearance of his zombie schtick. I’d still really like to see how he flips. There’s other stuff but it’ll have to wait. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2996 "2012-05-15T13:56:04Z")
Normal, with the day ending in 8 hours or so, could I interest you in placing your vote on one of the top two or three wagons? I’d prefer not to have a repeat of yesterday, where more than half the players were voting for one-offs. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2997 "2012-05-15T14:03:11Z")
Tanaer - you have Mosier voting for himself, but that vote is actually mine. The vote doublers are Visorslash and Normal Phase. I could go either way on gnarly or Mosier. Gnarly’s death, while not my favorite, would give town a key piece of information regarding Phere and night actions in general. I’d prefer Mosier (and NAF for that matter), but I can (callously) support a gnarly lynch for the info gain. Gnarly, If it looks like you’re going to be the lynch, would you mind PMing me and someone else you trust what you can tell us about your class? If you die, I’d like to maximize town’s information gains. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2998 "2012-05-15T14:31:46Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > Normal, with the day ending in 8 hours or so, could I interest you in placing your vote on one of the top two or three wagons? I’d prefer not to have a repeat of yesterday, where more than half the players were voting for one-offs. Yeah, that’s what I’m intending. BTW – glee and Mosier are also double voters. Visorslash may or may not be at this point; I’ve sort of lost track. The class (or “a class” – I can’t actually be sure that Visor began as the same class as I did) that has the double vote is Knight (and the class change from there that I’m at now). glee said he’s a knight and Mosier said zombie knight. Lilflower’s vote on day one (glee’s predecessor) should have been doubled. I had to ask Pizza about it due to the apparent contradiction, and he said that he would have to mod-confirm the double vote if it came up, due to his mistake. ---
**Author:** ![Tanaer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tanaer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tanaer)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/2999 "2012-05-15T14:33:26Z")
Here’s a repost of the vote count with corrections - sorry, I knew I’d stuff something up, but at least I tried: Voting: **Astral Rejection** vf [del]gnarlycharlie 2903[/del], vf **Mosier** 2980 **Choie** vf **Mosier** 2961 **Guiri** vf **Scathach** 2803 **Inner Stickler** vf **Gnarlycharlie** 2914 **Lightfoot** vf **gnarlycharlie** 2985 **Mosier** vf **Visorslash** 2823 **Normal Phase** vf [del]Scathach 2804[/del], **Tanaer** 2807 **Scathach** vf **Guiri** 2806 **Septimus** vf **Visorslash** 2830 **Silver Jan** vf [del]Visorslash 2850[/del], **gnarlycharlie** 2890 **Storyteller0910** vf **Suburban Plankton** 2905 **Tanaer** vf **Suburban Plankton** 2853 **Visorslash** vf [del]Normal Phase 2820[/del], [del]gnarlycharlie 2891[/del], **Mosier** 2981 And by potential lynchee - I’ve included doubles for Normal, Visorslash, and Mosier’s claimed double (with \* to make it clearer). **Gnarlycharlie** 3- **Silver Jan** 2890, [del]Visorslash 2891[/del], [del]Astral Rejection 2903[/del], **Inner Stickler** 2914, **Lightfoot** 2985 **Mosier** 4- **Choie** 2961, **Astral Rejection** 2980, **Visorslash** \* 2981 **Visorslash** 3 - **Mosier** \* 2823, **Septimus** 2830, [del]Silver Jan 2850[/del] **Suburban Plankton** 2- **Tanaer** 2853, **Storyteller0910** 2905 **Tanaer** 2 - **Normal Phase** \* 2807 **Scathach** 1- **Guiri** 2803, [del]Normal Phase 2804[/del] **Guiri** 1- **Scathach** 2806 ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3000 "2012-05-15T14:39:01Z")
Also, can we come to a consensus on who to attack toDay? I vote Mosier IF gnary is lynched. I vote Believerer if Mosier is lynched. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480.md?page=149) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480.md?page=151)