# \[Mafia game\] The Realm of Phere **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 1, 2012, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480 "2012-04-01T15:04:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 154
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2012, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3061 "2012-05-16T14:35:07Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > _How did you know?!_ Because I know **askthepizzaguy** likes balanced games. And my own dark secret is that I, _only I,_ have a hat made of vegetables. (But I have to Macarena, not rhumba.) ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2012, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3062 "2012-05-16T14:41:12Z")
Hello all… A thousand pardons, I totally spaced on the fact that EoD was yesterday. I was busy, but I could have (and should have) made an effort to at least drop in briefly. No excuses, I just flaked. Anyway… My vote would have been on \*\*Mosier \*\*(easy for me to say now, I know), not because he’s suddenly been un-zombified, but for this > [@Mosier](#): > > Just so all the cards are out, I’m eating (attacking) Visorslash today. I’m also voting him, and as a Zombie Knight my vote counts for two. After him, I’m eating and voting Suburban Plankton. I know he voted Visorslash way back on Day 1 (though it didn’t count because of a formatting error), and he’s been on me all game because I ‘started the wagon on him’ on Day 1, but he doesn’t seem to have made any effort at Scum-hunting at all. He just keeps going on and on about “ **Visorslash** , **Suburban** , bad!” He’s back to using proper grammar now, but the story is still the same. Regarding **gnarlycharlie** , I don’t get how some people seem to have so much trouble with the fact that he’s claimed to be a Vigilante. I understand the POV of those who say ‘Vigilantes are anti-Town, therefore we must kill them’ (though I disagree), but there seems to be a number of people who think that the fact that gnarly killed someone indicates all by itself that he must without question be Scum. That doesn’t compute. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2012, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3063 "2012-05-16T14:46:18Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > BTW – glee and Mosier are also double voters. Visorslash may or may not be at this point; I’ve sort of lost track. The class (or “a class” – I can’t actually be sure that Visor began as the same class as I did) that has the double vote is Knight (and the class change from there that I’m at now). glee said he’s a knight and Mosier said zombie knight. I’m not sure I understand this, but let me try… \*\*Mosier \*\*told us that he was now a Zombie Knight, and that he had gained a double-vote. You’re claiming that you ( **Normal** ) are a Knight, and that’s what gives you the double-vote. And since \*\*glee \*\*has told us he’s a Knight, that means he should have a double-vote as well (and so did **lilflower** , which has since been Mod-confirmed). And \*\*Visorslash \*\*may or may not still have a double-vote, because he claims to have changed class at some point, but we don’t know when, or whether or not that affected his ability. Am I close? ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2012, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3064 "2012-05-16T14:49:37Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > Regarding **gnarlycharlie** , I don’t get how some people seem to have so much trouble with the fact that he’s claimed to be a Vigilante. I understand the POV of those who say ‘Vigilantes are anti-Town, therefore we must kill them’ (though I disagree), but there seems to be a number of people who think that the fact that gnarly killed someone indicates all by itself that he must without question be Scum. That doesn’t compute. I have to say I don’t get it either. I’m sure there are other reasons that he’s pinging on so many people, but the Killing of **Gadarene** just doesn’t bother me as much as it does others. I thought **Gad** was quite scummish throughout most of the game, and we know he was attacking **gnarlycharlie** , so why is it impossible to believe that **gnarlycharlie** thought he was worth a vig kill? I mean yeah, **gnarlycharlie** may be scum, I can’t deny that; _every one_ of us could be scum, even the Towniest Townsperson in Towntown. But if I could I’d’ve stabbed **Gadarene** myself if it’d get him to stop CAPSLOCKing and bitching at **pizza**. And I know that’s hypocritical since I just sorta bitch at **pizza** myself. But it was more productive than **Gadarene** ’s bitchery, not to mention those freakin’ ellipses posts. Actually you know what, even if he didn’t bitch at **pizza** , those ellipses posts were worth a vig kill all by themselves. So consider me Team **gnarlycharlie** , at least as far as killing **Gad** goes. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2012, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3065 "2012-05-16T14:54:53Z")
Tomorrow we need to vote choie and Astral. Carmen Miranda impersonations are a Scum tell. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2012, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3066 "2012-05-16T15:05:10Z")
My secret shame! ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2012, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3067 "2012-05-16T15:15:05Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > I’m not sure I understand this, but let me try… > > \*\*Mosier \*\*told us that he was now a Zombie Knight, and that he had gained a double-vote. > > You’re claiming that you ( **Normal** ) are a Knight, and that’s what gives you the double-vote. > > And since \*\*glee \*\*has told us he’s a Knight, that means he should have a double-vote as well (and so did **lilflower** , which has since been Mod-confirmed). > > And \*\*Visorslash \*\*may or may not still have a double-vote, because he claims to have changed class at some point, but we don’t know when, or whether or not that affected his ability. > Am I close? Almost correct. I’m now a White Knight, which has the same ability. But if Visor is telling the truth about having changed class, then he should no longer have the double vote, because you can’t get to white knight unless you’re lawful/good; and he’s done too many attacks to remain there. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2012, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3068 "2012-05-16T15:16:14Z")
Attacking doesn’t forcibly change your alignment. I’ve attacked someone every single day, and I’m the same alignment as I started the game with. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2012, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3069 "2012-05-16T15:32:03Z")
Oh duh. Well change that to me being highly skeptical that Visorslash would go for white knight at all, then. Plus I think he said he started neutral on at least one axis, anyway. He would not have done anything to get to lawful/good from there. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2012, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3070 "2012-05-16T15:33:57Z")
As for gnarlycharlie I share the opinion that suspecting him for the night kill alone is missing the point at best. Vigs are awesome. I’d like to have one or two I could actually trust. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2012, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3071 "2012-05-16T15:41:12Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > Almost correct. I’m now a White Knight, which has the same ability. But if Visor is telling the truth about having changed class, then he should no longer have the double vote, because you can’t get to white knight unless you’re lawful/good; and he’s done too many attacks to remain there. Why couldn’t Visor have changed class but retained his ability as well? After all, you apparently did… Hey…maybe he’s now a Black Knight…that would explain why he’s taken so much damage and hasn’t died…he’s [Invincible](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhRUe-gz690)! ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2012, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3072 "2012-05-16T16:16:58Z")
Stop chucking those ellipses at me, SP; it’s really getting on my nerves. Double vote is a characteristic of the Knight class and also of the direct upgrade from there, which is White Knight. I have no reason to expect that it would be a characteristic of any of the other classes Visorslash could have accessed from there. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2012, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3073 "2012-05-16T16:27:29Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > I’m now a White Knight Coool. 😉 And, I hope you won’t take offense if your being the White Knight did remind me that [“the White Knight is talking backwards”](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwU0lEzVokI#t=119s)🆒 (I don’t know if there’s any Player who’s not heard the song thirty times already, but if there is, [Here’s another rendition from the beginning.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afJ9lqFE76w) ) ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2012, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3074 "2012-05-16T16:42:16Z")
Hey Mosier, would you be a dear and tell us your real alignment, since you’re (gonna be) dead? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2012, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3075 "2012-05-16T18:42:51Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > Stop chucking those ellipses at me, SP; it’s really getting on my nerves. Double vote is a characteristic of the Knight class and also of the direct upgrade from there, which is White Knight. I have no reason to expect that it would be a characteristic of any of the other classes Visorslash could have accessed from there. Well, I guess we’ll find out when the official vote count comes out. At least, I hope we do… 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Mosier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ea924/32.png) [@Mosier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mosier)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2012, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3076 "2012-05-16T23:52:05Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > Hey Mosier, would you be a dear and tell us your real alignment, since you’re (gonna be) dead? 😃 I am good/lawful, with the town objective ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2012, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3077 "2012-05-17T03:07:31Z")
arg ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2012, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3078 "2012-05-17T03:09:58Z")
To elaborate. the lag time is a chore (I undersatnd the reasoning) but it is still a chore. Add to it the other games where they were so rude to Kill me in are not moving very fast either ( even ont he spoiled boards) are stagnant too my fix is being harshed. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2012, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3079 "2012-05-17T04:29:36Z")
Yeah, I don’t think there’s anyone brave enough to co-mod this game. Even if I explained it to someone, it wouldn’t be workable. Anyway, the long wait is over; I will work on this until it is done. All in one sitting, as usual… ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2012, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3080 "2012-05-17T04:32:40Z")
Re: Players providing a tally- This tally is a beast and a half, regardless of who is doing it. As mod, I’ve already made mistakes with the tally. I need extra sets of eyes to see inconsistencies. You players have been kind enough to do that. Now, I can do my own tally, and then ask to compare it with other peoples’ tallies. Then I have to wait for someone to double check my work. Then these long waits will take even longer. I understand about the hidden vote caveats; I’ll double-check those and add them in where necessary. But having extra confirmation on this tally is a godsend for me, and for you as players. This isn’t ideal, but it’s a good size better than no double-checking of the tally, and me doing a tally and then waiting for a double-check. This is the best system, given the beastly tally and my limited time, and yours. The double-checking of the tally is done first, then I do my tally and compare it to yours, and I’ll note the differences. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480.md?page=153) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480.md?page=155)