# \[Mafia game\] The Realm of Phere **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 1, 2012, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480 "2012-04-01T15:04:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 156
**Author:** ![Visorslash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/ee59a6/32.png) [@Visorslash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Visorslash)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2012, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3101 "2012-05-17T13:04:01Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > So was it lilflower then? Probably. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2012, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3102 "2012-05-17T14:59:15Z")
**Longsword to choie Staff to Tanaer Healing potion to Tanaer** ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2012, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3103 "2012-05-17T15:19:44Z")
> [@Visorslash](#): > > ~ snipped~ > I would love the: **healing potion** please. > > Lightfoot and Silver Jan, which one of you wants which item? I am happy to vote other people as well, but I have been contacted by these people, and I am willing to trust them at the moment. Plus Normal has more items then she can use most likely. (bleached) I find this comment curious, since I know that I have had no contact with \*\* Visorslash \*\* ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2012, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3104 "2012-05-17T16:04:22Z")
> [@storyteller0910](#): > > Incidentally, why are we assuming that the triple vote is Scum-aligned or even that it is a function of player action? There could be any number of reasons for the triple vote, but everyone has jumped to assuming that it’s a player action - and a _Scum_ action, which holy shit is that overpowered if it’s actually a Scum power - and is making guesses about people’s alignments based on it. Although **choie’s** theory is a fine one as a working hypothesis… I have no idea why she waited this long to share it, though. What was gained? How about the ability to make certain my theory was right once I recognized the pattern? Would it really have been smart, back Yesterday Night when I first noticed the pattern, to blurt out “\*Hey everyone, the triple votes seem to be following Normal around!!!” before waiting to confirm the pattern? > [@storyteller0910](#): > > It makes no sense to me that everyone is more concerned with tracking classes and roles and sharing information privately **than actually playing the Mafia part of the game**. Bolding mine. While I’m no fan of this private behind-the-scenes machinations, I think this observation is a bit rich coming from someone with a grand total of 28 posts in the game. ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2012, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3105 "2012-05-17T16:12:43Z")
> [@Normal](#): > > Then Pizza didn’t make a mistake, in that case – the extra vote on Gadarene was from lilflower and not from you. [QUOTE=GuiriEnEspaña] So was it lilflower then? [/QUOTE] Guys, we know **glee** has a double vote, and he took over from **lilflower** , who (heaven knows) didn’t do anythng to “level up” to the role of Knight. Why is it a surprise that s/he must’ve been one to start with? **Normal** , I _am_ a little surprised that you didn’t notice the triple-voter pattern way before I did. Were you just feeling incredibly lucky that all your lynch votes won out? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2012, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3106 "2012-05-17T17:12:21Z")
> [@storyteller0910](#): > > It makes no sense to me that **Astral Rejection** suggested that **gnarlycharly** “maximize town’s information gains” by _sending a freaking private PM with information to two separate people_ instead of just _actually telling everyone_. [joke] Well, I had talked it over with my scum buddies, and we all agreed that was the best way for gnarly to reveal his role. [/joke] Serious answer: town knows he can kill. He’s already told us that. Why on earth would he tell scum the name of his freaking class? If they can change classes like we can, why feed them that information? By PMing me and somebody else he trusts, we know for later if we need, without telling scum any specifics right now. That was about the only bit of information he could have told me, besides whatever specifics there are to his class that I can’t guess. And it’s moot anyway, cuz he didn’t PM me. I really don’t understand your outrage over this. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2012, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3107 "2012-05-17T17:34:10Z")
> [@choie](#): > > Bolding mine. While I’m no fan of this private behind-the-scenes machinations, I think this observation is a bit rich coming from someone with a grand total of 28 posts in the game. Oh, bite me. What an asshole thing to say. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2012, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3108 "2012-05-17T17:40:08Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > Serious answer: town knows he can kill. He’s already told us that. Why on earth would he tell scum the name of his freaking class? If they can change classes like we can, why feed them that information? You think that’s likely? In a game that we’ve been told can be played like regular Mafia, you think it’s likely that the Scum could all change classes to one with an extra kill, and thereby gain as many extra kills as there are Scum? I think that’s so unlikely as to be not worth worrying about. > [@](#): > > By PMing me and somebody else he trusts, we know for later if we need, without telling scum any specifics right now. Unless you, or the somebody he trusts, happen to be Scum; then it’s revealed to them without helping the Town much at all. And **gnarly’s** death told the world the name of his role, anyway, so keeping that particular bit of information mostly-secret-but-known-to-some-in-case-he-dies was fruitless. > [@](#): > > I really don’t understand your outrage over this. That’s because I’m not outraged. 🙂 I am confused by people’s strategic choices, and frustrated because the way people are choosing to play creates a lot of noise that makes it hard to figure out what’s going on. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2012, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3109 "2012-05-17T17:48:55Z")
I’m sorry for my contributions to that noise, then. I’m hoping you’ve seen that I’m at least trying to find scum as well, right? ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2012, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3110 "2012-05-17T20:10:09Z")
> [@choie](#): > > Guys, we know **glee** has a double vote, and he took over from **lilflower** , who (heaven knows) didn’t do anythng to “level up” to the role of Knight. Why is it a surprise that s/he must’ve been one to start with? > > **Normal** , I _am_ a little surprised that you didn’t notice the triple-voter pattern way before I did. Were you just feeling incredibly lucky that all your lynch votes won out? 🙂 Yes and no. I sort of noticed the last couple of days, but the first day I wasn’t even on the winning bandwagon (before the triple vote) and the second day there was no triple vote, so I never really thought of it in those terms. I doubt anyone’s really trying to frame me, either. For one thing there were two triple votes placed during day two that had nothing to do with my own votes. I don’t know, though, maybe someone’s getting some lulz out of it. Things are pretty much to the point where I’m hoping the town is getting outplayed by some of the really active players, because if the scum team is like scathach and Septimus and somebody I’ll be pretty pissed off at life. But I would vig scathach tonight, if I could. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2012, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3111 "2012-05-17T20:15:38Z")
And I’m going to make one last appeal to the neutrals out there. gnarly might have saved himself (at least in my eyes) if he hadn’t tried to keep up the pretense that he might be town while playing like he was interested in nothing but his own skin. If you help the town (even if behind the scenes) then you stand a much better chance of not being mistaken for scum. ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2012, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3112 "2012-05-17T21:10:39Z")
There are 15 players remaining and I think I count 8 individual actions in the dusk color, possibly more. Would a mass claim of actions, class or role be worthwhile at this point or at any point going forward? Wouldn’t knowing who was doing what and why help determine some motivation, even if it’s just an alibi? @ Septimus, how do you feel about losing gnarly? ---
**Author:** ![Tanaer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tanaer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tanaer)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2012, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3113 "2012-05-17T21:41:53Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > **Longsword to choie > Staff to Tanaer > Healing potion to Tanaer** Thanks, Septimus. It was so nice to wake up to see this post, and feel, well, a bit trusted. One of Pizza’s PMs to me mentioned trading items. Does anyone want a broadsword or a ring for a musical instrument (_glares at Glee_)? I have to survive another Day & a half, but I’m hoping. > [@LightFoot](#): > > (bleached) > > I find this comment curious, since I know that I have had no contact with \*\* Visorslash \*\* I find someone lying about whom they’ve had contact with concerning too. > [@storyteller0910](#): > > You think that’s likely? In a game that we’ve been told can be played like regular Mafia, you think it’s likely that the Scum could all change classes to one with an extra kill, and thereby gain as many extra kills as there are Scum? I think that’s so unlikely as to be not worth worrying about. Why would scum be restricted from class changes like anyone else? There _are_ classes that can be changed to that have kill possibilities. Oh, and re the mass claim - I’m game. I did the 150 points to Phere. I’m not so very proud of it as I’m worried about the king, but I woke up all bleary eyed with 5 minutes to dusk & remembered I hadn’t made an action, without remembering my musings about the king. I’m still very confused about it - I _really_ want that demon to die. I really _don’t_ want the king to die if he’s still in there. I could go berserk and hurt him more, but I want to switch back to fighter so I can be a bard. ---
**Author:** ![Tanaer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tanaer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tanaer)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2012, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3114 "2012-05-17T21:48:27Z")
> [@Tanaer](#): > > Oh, and re the mass claim - I’m game. I did the 150 points to Phere. I’m not so very proud of it as I’m worried about the king, but I woke up all bleary eyed with 5 minutes to dusk & remembered I hadn’t made an action, without remembering my musings about the king. I’m still very confused about it - I _really_ want that demon to die. I really _don’t_ want the king to die if he’s still in there. I could go berserk and hurt him more, but I want to switch back to fighter so I can be a bard. Man that sounds confused. I really shouldn’t post first thing in the morning before properly waking up! I think what I was trying to say is - I’m currently not going to hurt Phere anymore, because I’m worried about the king. I’m letting you guys know that I could, on the off chance someone had a really convincing case about why we need it. Otherwise I’m moving bard-ward. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2012, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3115 "2012-05-17T21:58:18Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > @ Septimus, how do you feel about losing gnarly? I’d already guessed that gnarly was 3rd-Party and had killed Gadarene. Earlier he’d exchanged PM’s with me, was reluctant to share secrets but did say he was Ninja. (I don’t know if that was before or after he upgraded to Assassin.) He told me what his items were. I told him I thought he’d killed Gad and didn’t blame him; he denied it. I regret not using my Healing Potion on him, but it probably would have only given him brief respite. Frankly, I was somewhat surprised to see so many Attacks on him – why didn’t these Attackers just vote to Lynch? I thought Lynching Visorslash was the “percentage play,” at least given the three wagons we were presented with. I’m afraid others treat my views as a contrarian indicator. :dubious: Maybe I should only vote at the last minute (via robot since I’m usually asleep at EOD). Pizza’s color is sometimes tricky, and I wasn’t too surprised the darkly colored Mosier flipped Good. Frankly, I have some fear the whitely colored Resurrectees might flip Evil. My own “secret powers” have been weakish and poorly spent. I might reveal more privately but, unfortunately, the only players with whom I developed any PM rapport were Gadarene and Gnarly, now both out. ---
**Author:** ![Visorslash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/ee59a6/32.png) [@Visorslash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Visorslash)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2012, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3116 "2012-05-17T22:35:20Z")
The person who contacted me, trusts light foot. So I am willing to. ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2012, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3117 "2012-05-17T23:14:11Z")
> [@storyteller0910](#): > > Oh, bite me. > > What an asshole thing to say. What the fuck? You post 28 times throughout the whole game (and I don’t believe you’re even a sub), then you deign to make a reappearance and harp on us for not playing the game? And _my_ comment noting this was worth a “bite me” and “asshole”?! You’re awfully cranky. Or hella defensive. I wonder which. ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2012, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3118 "2012-05-17T23:27:37Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > Yes and no. I sort of noticed the last couple of days, but the first day I wasn’t even on the winning bandwagon (before the triple vote) and the second day there was no triple vote, so I never really thought of it in those terms. I doubt anyone’s really trying to frame me, either. For one thing there were two triple votes placed during day two that had nothing to do with my own votes. I don’t know, though, maybe someone’s getting some lulz out of it. I think someone’s either trying to screw with our heads and, as a side effect, screw with your reputation. There was a Day not too long ago (relatively speaking) where several people were suspicious of you, and I think that’s what Triple Voter Dude/Dudette is or was trying to take advantage of. > [@](#): > > Things are pretty much to the point where I’m hoping the town is getting outplayed by some of the really active players, because if the scum team is like scathach and Septimus and somebody I’ll be pretty pissed off at life. But I would vig scathach tonight, if I could. I wouldn’t cry about **Scathach** , but at least **septimus** showed up and voted me an object, which by the way, thank you **septimus**! 🙂 > [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > There are 15 players remaining and I think I count 8 individual actions in the dusk color, possibly more. Would a mass claim of actions, class or role be worthwhile at this point or at any point going forward? Wouldn’t knowing who was doing what and why help determine some motivation, even if it’s just an alibi? No prob, I’ll cop to one of the 100hp attacks on **gnarlycharlie**. I figured him for third party and I was going to attack either him or **Visorslash**. Coin came up heads, so **gnarlycharlie** got the rather feeble blow. (I am not, shall we say, very optimized for fighting.) I also knew there were a bunch of other Townies planning on attacking him, and I figured I might as well help even though I thought there was a possibility he genuinely killed **Gad** due to presumed scummitude. > [@septimus](#): > > Pizza’s color is sometimes tricky, and I wasn’t too surprised the darkly colored Mosier flipped Good. Frankly, I have some fear the whitely colored Resurrectees might flip Evil. Frankly, this is my greatest fear of the game. ---
**Author:** ![Visorslash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/ee59a6/32.png) [@Visorslash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Visorslash)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2012, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3119 "2012-05-17T23:36:08Z")
> [@](#): > > No prob, I’ll cop to one of the 100hp attacks on gnarlycharlie. I figured him for third party and I was going to attack either him or Visorslash. Coin came up heads, so gnarlycharlie got the rather feeble blow. (I am not, shall we say, very optimized for fighting.) I also knew there were a bunch of other Townies planning on attacking him, and I figured I might as well help even though I thought there was a possibility he genuinely killed Gad due to presumed scummitude. I don’t know how to say this, but please, why can’t you just leave me alone? I understand you think I’m scum, and for what I’m not entirely sure, but if you want to kill me, lynch me. I’d rather go out that way, then succumbing to the 50+ attacks that have come my way. Also, there is no need to be so hostile, it’s just a game. (directed at people fighting) ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2012, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3120 "2012-05-17T23:52:42Z")
> [@Visorslash](#): > > I don’t know how to say this, but please, why can’t you just leave me alone? I understand you think I’m scum, and for what I’m not entirely sure, but if you want to kill me, lynch me. I’d rather go out that way, then succumbing to the 50+ attacks that have come my way. > > Also, there is no need to be so hostile, it’s just a game. (directed at people fighting) Will you please stop lecturing other people on hostility? It’s like getting lectured against taking drugs from Cheech & Chong. Similarly, **Storyteller** spent several paragraphs harping on us for not playing the game the way s/he wants us to, after basically not participating in the game at _all_. I mean 28 posts (29 now I suppose) in two months?! You’re darn right I’m going to call him/her on that. Hypocrites make my teeth hurt. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480.md?page=155) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480.md?page=157)