# \[Mafia game\] The Realm of Phere **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 1, 2012, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480 "2012-04-01T15:04:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 165
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2012, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3282 "2012-05-23T13:33:52Z")
> [@glee](#): > > Vote Fubbleskag > > 1. We need to form bandwagons to avoid the scum last-minute multivote. > 2. Fubbleskag claimed to be able to identify items, but nobody seems to have achieved that with him. Two things. First, your vote doesn’t count. It needs to be bold. Second, your first given reason for voting for fubbleskag is weak. Yes, we eventually need bandwagons… but not at the very beginning of the Day. Who do you think is _most_ scummy? ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2012, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3283 "2012-05-23T14:49:02Z")
I have to dash off to work but \*\* glee’s \*\* first paragragh needs a tad more information post 3279 ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2012, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3284 "2012-05-23T15:12:59Z")
Dawn/Dusk Events[spoiler][D1](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14947342&postcount=379)Attack on LordPhere, 80hp, **Visorslash** Attack on LordPhere, 80hp, **ToeJam** Attack on **Lightfoot** , 25hp, unknown Attack on **Visorslash** , guarded, unknown. Guard on **Visorslash** , **Inner Stickler** , takes 75hp Attack on **BobArrgh** , 25hp, **AstralRejection** Guard on **Glee** , **BobArrgh** Attack on **Visorslash** , magic orb, 100hp, unknown Attack on **ToeJam** , 50hp, **LordPhere** Attack on **InnerStickler** , guarded, unknown Guard on **InnerStickler** , **Guiri** , takes 50hp Attack on **RedSkeezix** , 60hp, unknown [N1](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14957518&postcount=753)Attack on **Visorslash** , 100hp, blow by frenzied attacker, unknown Attack on **PetW** , no damage, beam of magic, unknown Heal on **Guiri** , 50hp, **choie** Attack on **Glee** , killed, battle (blade), **LordPhere** Attack on **InnerStickler** , killed, magic (ice?), **LordPhere** [D2](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14975369&postcount=1591)Attack on **NormalPhase** , no damage, blow from sky, unknown Attack on **Fubbleskag** , guarded, bolt of energy, unknown Guard on **Fubbleskag** , no damage, **NormalPhase** Attack on **Visorslash** , 50hp, group of gremlins, unknown Attack on **Visorslash** , 100hp, orb of magic, unknown Attack on **Visorslash** , 150hp, ferocious blow, unknown Attack on **choie** , guarded, swinging weapon, unknown Guard on **choie** , **Guiri** , takes 80hp Attack on **ToeJam** , 25hp, unknown Heal on **Visorslash** , 100hp, unknown Heal on **Visorslash** , 100hp, unknown Attack on **LordPhere** , 100hp, unknown Attack on **LordPhere** , 25hp, unknown Attack on **LordPhere** , 70hp, unknown Attack on **LordPhere** , 80hp, **ToeJam** Attack on **AstralRejection** , killed, unknown [N2](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14993852&postcount=1758)Attack on **Visorslash** , 100hp, unknown Attack on **Guiri** , killed, armored giant, **LordPhere** Resurrection on **Mosier** , unknown Resurrection on **AstralRejection** , unknown [D3](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15012290&postcount=2195)Attack on **SuburbanPlankton** , no damage, **Mosier** Attack on **Mosier** , 100hp, unknown Attack on **Mosier** , 100hp, unknown Attack on **RealityTrip** , 50hp, unknown Attack on **ToeJam** , 100hp, unknown Attack on **LordPhere** , 100hp, unknown Attack on **choie** , 100hp, **LordPhere** , wind Attack on **MHaye** , 100hp, **LordPhere** , earth Attack on **NormalPhase** , no damage, **LordPhere** , ice Heal on **choie** , 100hp, unknown Heal on **AstralRejection** , 100hp, unknown Attack on **LordPhere** , 80hp, unknown Attack on **ToeJam** , killed, **Lord Phere** [N3](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15024220&postcount=2277)Attack on **Weedy** , killed, burst of fire, **LordPhere** Resurrection on **Guiri** , unknown Attack on **Gnarlycharlie** , 100hp, orb of energy, unknown [D4](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15042630&postcount=2635)Attack on **Gnarlycharlie** , 200hp, magical power unknown Attack on **Gnarlycharlie** , 100hp, bolt, unknown Attack on **Mosier** , 50hp, bolt, unknown Attack on **Visorslash** , 100hp, **Mosier** Attack on **Believerer** , 50hp, **Lightfoot** Attack on **RealityTrip** , 100hp, unknown Attack on **Tanaer** , 100hp, unknown Attack on **SuburbanPlankton** , 75hp, unknown Attack on **choie** , guarded, unknown Guard on **choie** , [color=blue] **NormalPhase** , no damage Heal on **Gnarlycharlie** , 100hp, unknown Heal on **Guiri** [/color], 100hp, **Guiri** Heal on **choie** , 0hp, unknown Attack on **MHaye** , killed, **LordPhere** Attack on **LordPhere** , 100hp, shiny ring/fireball, unknown [N4](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15054092&postcount=2801)Attack on **Scathach** , 50hp, magic, unknown Attack on **Gadarene** , killed, bladed weapon, unknown Attack on **choie** , 100hp, unknown Heal on **choie** , 100hp, unknown Attack on **BobArrgh** , killed, giant mace **LordPhere** , mod-kill Attack on **PetW** , killed, ice spell, **LordPhere** , mod-kill Attack on **Mahaloth** , killed, **LordPhere** , mod-kill [D5](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15072818&postcount=3084)Attack on **Beliverer** , killed, mod-kill Attack on **NAF** , killed, mod-kill Attack on **RedSkeezix** , killed, mod-kill Attack on **Fubblesksag** , no damage, orb of light, unknown Attack on **Glee** , 75hp, orb of water, unknown Attack on **Tanaer** , 75hp, orb of earth, unknown Attack on **SuburbanPlankton** , 300hp, orb of fire, unknown Attack on **Gnarlycharlie** , 50hp, whip, unknown Attack on **Gnarlycharlie** , 25hp, arrow, unknown Attack on **Gnarlycharlie** , 100hp, violent blow, unknown Attack on **Gnarlycharlie** , 100hp, glowing ring/orb of light, **Guiri** Attack on **Visorslash** , 100hp, **Mosier** Attack on **Mosier** , killed, **LordPhere** Attack on **Scathach** , 100hp, magic power, unknown Attack on **LordPhere** , 150hp, unknown Attack on **LordPhere** , 100hp, unknown [N5](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15088395&postcount=3237)Attack on **Scathach** , shielded by gauntlet, unknown Attack on **Scathach** , 100hp, white orb of magic, unknown Attack on **Scathach** , 600hp, burning orb, unknown Attack on **Visorslash** , 100hp Heal on **Guiri** , 50hp, **Guiri** Resurrection on **Gadarene** , unknown Attack on **Glee** , shielded, dark energy orb, unknown Attack on **Visorslash** , killed, unknown Attack on **NormalPhase** , killed, unknown[/spoiler] Player Summaries[spoiler] --------------------------------------- **4. Scathach** [spoiler] Day 1 Voted **Lightfoot** Attacked/Guarded ? Day 2 Voted **Tanaer** Attacked/Guarded ? Day 3 Voted **BobArrgh** Attacked/Guarded ? Day 4 Voted **No vote** Attacked/Guarded ? Night 4 Attacked by unknown, magic, 50hp Day 5 Voted **Guiri** Attacked by unknown, magic, 100hp Attacked/Guarded? Night 5 Attacked by unknown, shielded Attacked by unknown, 100hp, orb of magic Attacked by unknown, 200hp, burning orb[/spoiler] --------------------------------------- **6. Fubbleskag** [spoiler] Day 1 Voted **No Vote** Attacked/Guarded ? Day 2 Voted **Gadarene** Voted items to **Visorslash** Attacked by unknown, no damage Guarded by **NormalPhase** Attacked/Guarded ? Day 3 Voted **No vote** Voted items to **AstralRejection** Attacked/Guarded? Day 4 Voted **No vote** Attacked/Guarded? Day 5 Voted **No vote** Attacked by unknown, no damage, orb of light Attacked/Guarded?[/spoiler] --------------------------------------- **8. Gadarene** [spoiler] Day 1 Voted **AstralRejection** Attacked/Guarded ? Day 2 Voted **Weedy** Attacked/Guarded ? Day 3 Voted **Believerer** Attacked/Guarded? Day 4 Voted **MHaye** Attacked/Guarded? Night 4 Attacked by unknown, killed, bladed weapon Day 5 DEAD Night 5 Resurrected by unknown[/spoiler] --------------------------------------- **10. Astral Rejection** [spoiler] Day 1 Voted **MHaye** Attacked **BobArrgh** , dealt 25hp Day 2 Voted **NormalPhase** Voted items to **SilverJan** and **Fubbleskag** Attacked by **LordPhere** , killed Attacked/Guarded? Night 2 Resurrected by unknown Day 3 Voted **SilverJan** Voted items to **AstralRejection** Received Pendant ( **fubbleskag** , **Weedy** , **choie** and self) Healed by unknown, 100hp Attacked/Guarded? Day 4 Voted **MHaye** Attacked/Guarded? Day 5 Voted **Mosier** Voted items to **NormalPhase** , **Guiri** and self Received Red Bow ( **Guiri** , **Tanaer** and self) Attacked/Guarded?[/spoiler] --------------------------------------- **13. Septimus** [spoiler] Day 1 Voted **AstralRejection** Attacked/Guarded ? Day 2 Voted **AstralRejection** voted items to **Choie** , **NormalPhase** and **Lightfoot** Attacked/Guarded? Day 3 Voted **ToeJam** voted items to self Attacked/Guarded? Day 4 Voted **Scathach** Voted items to **Guiri** , **choie** and self Attacked/Guarded? Day 5 Voted **Visorslash** Voted items to **Lightfoot** , **Tanaer** , **Guiri** , **SilverJan** and **Glee** Attacked/Guarded? Night 5 Voted items to **choie** and **Tanaer** [/spoiler] --------------------------------------- **14. Guiri** [spoiler] Day 1 Voted **AstralRejection** Guarded **InnerStickler** , took 50hp Night 1 Healed by **choie** , 50hp Day 2 Voted **AstralRejection** Guarded **Choie** , took 80hp Night 2 Promoted to WhiteMage Attacked by **LordPhere** , killed, armored giant Day 3 DEAD Night 3 Resurrected by unknown Day 4 Voted **Scathach** Voted items to self Received Blue ring and Diamond ring ( **Septimus** , **Tanaer** , **Choie** and **Bobarrgh** ) Healed self, 100hp Night 4 Guarded self Day 5 Voted **Mosier** Voted items to **NormalPhase** , **AstralRejection** , **SilverJan** , **choie** and self Received White scepter ( **AstralRejection** , **Tanaer** , **Septimus** and self) Attacked **Gnarlycharlie** with Diamond ring, 100hp Night 5 Promoted to WhiteKnight Voted items to **choie** , **NormalPhase** and **Lightfoot** Healed self, 50hp [/spoiler] --------------------------------------- **16. Lightfoot** [spoiler] Day 1 Voted **Mosier** Attacked by unknown, 25hp Day 2 Voted **Scathach** Voted items to self Received Sapphire Ring ( **NormalPhase** , **septimus** and self) Night 2 Watched **ToeJam** , saw nothing Day 3 Voted **Gnarlycharlie** Used item on **Believerer** , no effect Night 3 Watched **NormalPhase** , saw **Gnarlycharlie** Day 4 Voted **Gnarlycharlie** Voted items to self Attacked **Believerer** Night 4 Watched **Gadarene** , saw **Gnarlycharlie** Day 5 Voted **Gnarlycharlie** Attacked/Guarded? Night 5 Voted items to self Received Staff ( **Guiri** , **NormalPhase** and self) Watched **Fubbleskag** , saw nothing[/spoiler] --------------------------------------- **17. SilverJan** [spoiler] Day 1 Voted **VisorSlash** Attacked/Guarded ? Day 2 Voted **AstralRejection** Voted items to **Gadarene** , **NormalPhase** and self Attacked/Guarded? Day 3 Voted **No vote** Voted items to self Attacked/Guarded? Day 4 Voted **MHaye** Attacked/Guarded? Day 5 Voted **Mosier** Attacked/Guarded? Night 5 Voted items to **Visorslash** [/spoiler] --------------------------------------- **18. choie** [spoiler] Day 1 Voted **AstralRejection** Attacked/Guarded ? Night 1 Healed **Guiri** , 50hp Day 2 Voted **NormalPhase** Voted items to **SilverJan** and self Received Emerald ring ( **septimus** , **Weedy** , **NormalPhase** and self) Attacked by **Visorslash** , guarded Guarded by **Guiri** Attacked/Guarded? Day 3 Voted **Gadarene** Voted items to **AstralRejection** Attack by LordPhere, 100hp Healed by unknown, 100hp Attacked/Guarded? Day 4 Voted **NormalPhase** Voted items to **[Guiri** Attacked by unknown, guarded Guard by **NormalPhase** Healed by unknown, 0hp Attacked/Guarded? Night 4 Attacked by unknown, 100hp Healed by unknown, 100hp Day 5 Voted **Mosier** Voted items to self Attacked/Guarded? Night 5 Voted items to self Received Healing Potion ( **Guiri** , **NormalPhase** and self)[/spoiler] --------------------------------------- **20. Tanaer** [spoiler] Day 1 Voted **No Vote** Attacked/Guarded ? Day 2 Voted **Choie** voted items to self Attacked/Guarded? Day 3 Voted **No vote** Attacked/Guarded? Day 4 Voted **SuburbanPlankton** Voted items to **Guiri** Attacked by unknown, 100hp Attacked/Guarded? Day 5 Voted **SuburbanPlankton** Voted items to **NormalPhase** , **AstralRejection** , **Guiri** , and self Attacked by unknown, 75hp, orb of earth Attacked/Guarded?[/spoiler] --------------------------------------- **24. RealityTrip/InnerStickler** [spoiler] Day 1 Voted **Mahaloth** Attacked/Guarded ? Day 2 Voted **NormalPhase** Voted items to **choie** , **SilverJan** and **Guiri** Attacked by unknown, no damage Attacked/Guarded ? Day 3 Voted **No vote** Attacked by unknown, 50hp Attacked/Guarded? Day 4 Voted **No vote** Attack by unknown, 100hp Attacked/Guarded? Day 5 Voted **Gnarlycharlie** Attacked/Guarded? [/spoiler] --------------------------------------- **25. Lilflower/Glee** [spoiler] Day 1 Voted **Gadarene** Attacked/Guarded ? Day 2 Voted **no vote** Attacked/Guarded ? Day 3 Voted **No vote** Attacked/Guarded? Day 4 Voted **No vote** Attacked/Guarded? Day 5 Voted **Gnarlycharlie** voted items to self Received Teal Harp ( **Mosier** , **Septimus** and self) Attacked by unknown, 75hp, orb of water Attacked/Guarded? Night 5 Voted items to **Tanaer** [/spoiler] --------------------------------------- **28. Storyteller** [spoiler] Day 1 Voted **No Vote** Attacked/Guarded ? Day 2 Voted **No Vote** Attacked/Guarded ? Day 3 Voted **No vote** Attacked/Guarded? Day 4 Voted **No vote** Attacked/Guarded? Day 5 Voted **SuburbanPlankton** Attacked/Guarded? [/spoiler][/spoiler] ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2012, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3285 "2012-05-23T15:34:45Z")
Guiri, that is phenomenally useful. Thanks for the hard work! I’ll fill you in on my actions when I get a chance. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2012, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3286 "2012-05-23T15:43:02Z")
I liked the 2nd spoiler, I hadn’t realised quite how bad I was ☹ ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2012, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3287 "2012-05-23T16:16:09Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > Two things. > > First, your vote doesn’t count. It needs to be bold. > > Second, your first given reason for voting for fubbleskag is weak. Yes, we eventually need bandwagons… but not at the very beginning of the Day. > > Who do you think is _most_ scummy? Thanks for pointing that out. Look, I missed voting yesterday (I got confused by the delays), so I’m getting a vote in early so I get my promotion. And I need a promotion since I’ve been attacked by Lord Phere… I’m prepared to change my vote later, but I don’t have any reason to point the finger at anyone else so far. **Vote Fubbleskag** ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2012, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3288 "2012-05-23T16:45:31Z")
Who do you think is _most_ scummy? Also (and this is directed to everyone), I think fubbleskag would make a much better coordinated-attack target. His lynch will yield little information, because of his anemic posting and voting history. If he’s third-party as some suspect, we won’t be closer to finding scum. An obvious objection: if we attack him and lynch someone else, what’s the functional difference? My answer: the lynch itself is information. Plus, the coordinated attack might fail if our target has too much HP to overcome in one Day. I’d rather it fail on a possible third party who won’t provide much information than someone else. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2012, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3289 "2012-05-23T16:51:09Z")
I agree that fubbleskag is a good target for a coordinated attack. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2012, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3290 "2012-05-23T18:08:05Z")
> [@choie](#): > > If **Silver Jan** is scum, then she’s the best Mafia player I’ve ever come across in my admittedly not-very-expansive history. She’s the person I’ve had the most contact with throughout the game and I have trusted her with my role and, indeed, my life. > > Of course the runner-up as far as my contacts are concered is **Astral** , so that probably doesn’t say much good about me to **septimus**. 🙂 I was hoping to hear from fellow-Townies who’d been in contact with Jan. My suspicion was based on a single-sentence PM, with my follow-on questions unanswered. **Astral** has been less forthcoming with me than with you, not answering the single questioning PM I sent him, but that may be personal rather than scummy. If we also absolve Inner Stickler and low-participation storyteller0910, the list of residual players is hugely reduced: [del]Lilflower[/del] Glee Scathach Fubbleskag Pizza himself? **Scathach** has been heavily damaged, so may be taken out by Attackers. “3rd-Party” Fubbs seems anti-Town (has he stopped inspecting items?) so good to Lynch, but do we need to? He hasn’t posted since May 5; is he up for Mod-Kill? BTW, I dimly recall mention of him inspecting an item but not returning it. Did that happen, or was it a hypothetical? Anyway, for now **Vote: Fubbleskag** ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2012, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3291 "2012-05-23T18:08:39Z")
First of all, HUGE thanks to **Astral** and **Guiri** for compiling those lists. **Guiri** , I’m going to PM you with some info. Yeah, gonna agree with you guys about **fubbles**. And it’s an excellent point that some of the non-participating folks are better attack targets because they probably haven’t leveled up to be nearly attack-proof. Like **Scathach** appears to be, holy cow, girlfriend is like those Timex watch ads (geezer alert!): takes a licking and keeps on ticking. In fact, I would like to hear from those of you who attacked **Scathach** exactly why you want her dead so unbelievably badly. I’m not saying I disagree, but it’s clear that her hp is too high to deal with in an attack, so if you’re willing to make another public case, maybe she’s a better vote target than attack target. As far as who _I_ find most scummy… well, that’d be **fubbles** , actually, which shouldn’t come as a surprise since my worries about him date back to the beginning of this game. I still hold out my belief that the third party players in this game are the dangerous ones rather than a cohesive scum team. The fact that the only evil people we’ve seen have been 3rd party backs me up, I think. (Even **gnarlycharlie** was neutral/neutral, which is only a step away from evil; if my theory of “Phere is the One Ring” is correct, maybe he just never got to carry **Phere** ’s chains, which is why he didn’t get fully corrupted?) Beyond **fubbles** , well, **RealityTrip** was pinging my scumdar slightly before s/he was replaced, so I’d say the replacement is now my second fave choice. The truth is that I trust the revived folks implicitly (barring a time bomb mechanic that I’m hoping is not the case), and myself obviously, as well as those who’ve guarded me. That eliminates six people. Many of the rest are lurkers or subs for lurkers who haven’t made an impression yet. One of the lurkers who doesn’t fit into the “recently undead” category is my third place scum choice: the person with the fewest substantive posts who got unbelievably defensive (and offensive, IMHO) when I pointed this out. So that would be **Storyteller**. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2012, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3292 "2012-05-23T18:09:11Z")
Ooops. **Unvote; Vote: Fubbleskag** ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2012, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3293 "2012-05-23T18:09:27Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > I agree that fubbleskag is a good target for a coordinated attack. I can go along with that, but then who the hell is scum 😕 ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2012, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3294 "2012-05-23T18:20:23Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > I was hoping to hear from fellow-Townies who’d been in contact with Jan. My suspicion was based on a single-sentence PM, with my follow-on questions unanswered. **Astral** has been less forthcoming with me than with you, not answering the single questioning PM I sent him, but that may be personal rather than scummy. Hm. Well, now that **Normal** ’s dead, I can probably tell you why **Silver Jan** , if not **Astral** , may have been unforthcoming to you: **Normal** , whom I believe **Silver Jan** trusted most throughout the game (along with me, I’m proud to say, as well as herself of course) basically sent us a “goodbye” PM with her role claim and a long explanation as to why she was almost certain you were scum due to what she believed was your fishing attempts at finding her vulnerabilities. So it’s quite possible that **Silver Jan** was unwilling to trust you because she agreed with **Normal** ’s assessment. > [@](#): > > If we also absolve Inner Stickler and low-participation storyteller0910 Wait, why are we doing that again? **Inner** is what **RealityTrip** was, and RT earned many askance glances during her brief period of activity. So why are you absolving **Inner**? And why **storyteller0910** (glad you included the numbers, I am hopeless at remembering usernames with numbers in 'em)? > [@](#): > > [del]Lilflower[/del] Glee > Scathach > Fubbleskag > Pizza himself? > > **Scathach** has been heavily damaged, so may be taken out by Attackers. “3rd-Party” Fubbs seems anti-Town (has he stopped inspecting items?) so good to Lynch, but do we need to? He hasn’t posted since May 5; is he up for Mod-Kill? BTW, I dimly recall mention of him inspecting an item but not returning it. Did that happen, or was it a hypothetical? At first I was going to repeat the point made in **Visorslash** ’s hysteria-laden SCUM! SCUM! post at me when I suggested maybe lynching **pizza** might be an option, because at the beginning of the game **pizza** said he couldn’t be lynched. Truth is, I just forgot about that rule. However, now I remember that now-known-to-be-Evil **Visorslash** was _so_ adamant about not attacking/lynching **pizza** that maybe there’s something to that idea after all. I don’t remember hearing of **fubbles** not returning an item. And I don’t think **pizza** is doing any more mod-kills; I recall him saying we needed to deal with lurkers ourselves. I’m assuming the reason why is due to balance issues. Though it might be that he doesn’t want to mod-kill the lurkers because they’re on the scum / Evil team, and he doesn’t want to do our job for us? ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2012, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3295 "2012-05-23T18:34:46Z")
Septimus: You asked for a trade of information, my element for yours. I saw no benefit in telling you, because that information would only help someone do extra damage in an attack against me. I got a ton of PMs from people that night, and I’m sorry I didn’t respond to yours. I meant to deal with it during the following Day, but forgot when dawn rolled around several real-world days later. I wish you would stop looking for personal slights where none are intended. ---
**Author:** ![Tanaer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tanaer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tanaer)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2012, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3296 "2012-05-23T18:51:55Z")
So this is my actions for inclusion. Can’t see what use they’ll be to PM if they’re going to be reported anyway. D1 No action - I blew both action & vote N2 fighter - no action D2 Attack Lord Phere, 70hp N2 fighter - no action D3 … can’t find an action, looks like I forgot to put one in. ☹ N3 fighter - no action D4 attack Lord Phere with ring, 100hp N4 Change to berserker D5 attack Lord Phere 150hp N5 Change back to fighter ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2012, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3297 "2012-05-23T19:00:33Z")
**Choie** , my BAD, I had forgotten what\*\* Normal \*\* had confided in us, \*\*Normal \*\*is probably haunting me now! OMG **Unvote Fubbleskag** **Vote Septimus** This just makes sense. **Septimus** is trying to make cases about players that are so Townie. How could I forget\*\* Normals\*\* words? ---
**Author:** ![Tanaer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tanaer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tanaer)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2012, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3298 "2012-05-23T19:14:28Z")
Having volunteered my info, this from the signup thread: > [@ATPG in signup thread](#): > > 1. Mass claims are more likely to hurt the town than help. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2012, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3299 "2012-05-23T19:32:33Z")
Good point, Tanaer. It’s something to consider. We’re supposedly at end game, though, so I don’t see how things could get worse for us. Silver Jan, I have a strong town lean on you, but I’d still like to see actual case making, not a snap vote with no justification beyond “Normal wanted him dead” ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2012, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3300 "2012-05-23T19:52:59Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > Good point, Tanaer. It’s something to consider. We’re supposedly at end game, though, so I don’t see how things could get worse for us. > > Silver Jan, I have a strong town lean on you, but I’d still like to see actual case making, not a snap vote with no justification beyond “Normal wanted him dead” I hear you **Astral** , I will get to it in the morning, a bit too tired now. I tend to trust my gut though. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2012, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3301 "2012-05-23T20:01:12Z")
I have just been taught how to do multiple quotes, yay! \*\*Septimus \*\*seems to be floundering with his votes, 2 on you 1 on me for no real reason. I will check up on what Normal confided. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480.md?page=164) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480.md?page=166)