# \[Mafia game\] The Realm of Phere **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 1, 2012, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480 "2012-04-01T15:04:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 168
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2012, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3342 "2012-05-24T21:53:09Z")
What pings me most about her? - her one off votes, keeping her head down while gaining levels - her lack of involvement in all of the lynches, lack of opinion and stances on the main lynch candidates - her single post during a long silence D1-D2 to point out how she deserved credit - her complete lack of scum hunting - her avoidance of my WoW, not a mention, no response, not even an acknowledgement but I turned up dead that Night - her apparent irritation at the resurrections - upon my return, no defence against the votes she’s received but an attack on me, her accuser, citing my participation since being resurrected (which was a problem for some before I was even killed) and my fixation on her (she’s voiced no suspicions except me!) - the lurking, she’s around enough to pop in with a strategy or random comment on color, but no attempt to find the bad guys. She’s online right now… ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2012, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3343 "2012-05-24T22:01:42Z")
Choie, [endgame](http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=End_Game) usually means that scum is close to controlling the vote. If this were a standard game of mafia, endgame with 15 players would mean 5 or 6 scum alive, 6 or 7 townies and some third parties. Between neutral, evil, very evil and what have you, I’ve no idea what to expect in this game but I doubt there’s only 1 bad guy left to find and, given the reveals, I doubt we’re on the verge of winning but I suspect we need to attempt to distinguish between neutrals and evils. I do not buy the neutral’s claim that they can win if they survive when town wins, that’s sort of the opposite of neutral. I suspect Septimus is a liar, probably fubbles too, but I don’t think killing them is going to push us closer to our wincon. As for RealityTrip/Inner? Give me a chance to review… ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2012, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3344 "2012-05-24T22:06:22Z")
I just asked for what pinged you _worst_, **Guiri**! Geeze! Skimming is a scum tell! But seriously. Disregarding the **Guiri** -centric aspects of the above (and of course I understand why you’d be focused on your interactions with her), it is _very_ unfortunately true that lack of participation, not voting, not acting (at least in any apparent manner), is true of a majority of people left on the board. Like, I think **Tanaer** is Townish, but looking over her history it is _crazy_ with missed votes and forgotten dates and so on. IIRC she’s new at this, though I dunno, in my first game I was extremely anxious to participate and get everything done. I think I missed one vote deadline, but otherwise I think it’s more natural for newbies to be more enthusiastic in the game, not less. OTOH, she also seems very skittish and defensive – she feels ignored, yet doesn’t participate in votes or fails to make any actions (claims not to, anyway), so… ugh, I don’t know. I think I’ve just managed to bump **Tanaer** up to my fourth slot. But all that said, I think that you have far more specific and justified reasons to mistrust **Scathach** than I have to mistrust **RealityInnerTripStickler**. So while I’d like to keep the vote where it is for a little while longer, just to see if anyone else has any other recollections of **RealityTrip** ’s odd behavior or if **septimus** can explain why he’s so certain of **Inner** ’s Townhood… I’m just about convinced to switch. (Gadzooks, look at me. I’m turning as vote-unvote-happy as **Normal**.) ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2012, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3345 "2012-05-24T22:24:29Z")
Inner v2.0 #2849 Suspects blue flip = Town, red = scum, therefore only 1 dead scum #2888 To Visor, questions why there are writeups if the flips have no meaning or relevance to the game state #2914 Votes Gnarly, no reasoning given except for others’ cases (that he killed Gadarene), to Astral would like to see if Phere can really be hurt, and see if Mosier is hurt too #3133 Returns to comment on gnarly possibly being a lover and needing to find Gadarene #3135 Or a mercenary, hired to kill Gad #3153 Fluffy generic comment on lovers/masons #3168, 3170 & 3172 Fluffy hall monitoring spat between Story and choie, some players don’t post much, apologizes for tone #3197 Fluffy complaint about lack of PM contact #3231 Fluffy comment about Pizza needing a co-mod #3288 Agrees that fubbles would be a good target for an attack #3333 Comments on subbing in So, in summary, since subbing in, he’s avoided playing the game as much as possible… What sort of “interesting choices” did Reality make? A change in moral alignment perhaps? Let’s see. ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2012, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3346 "2012-05-24T22:34:23Z")
Cool, thanks, **Guiri**. In fairness to **Inner** … that kinda is how he plays either way. He was lynched in two different games I played because he was “helpful” and “fluffy.” Both times? Town. ☹ As far as “interesting” he may have meant the sneaking into **Visorslash** ’s home and attacking him, then lying about it to Town, and then going through a series of less-than-useful PM conversations with **Normal**. Combining the two it’s not a pretty picture, IMHO. And again, not to harp on it (but what the hell, I’ll harp on it anyway), I’m very curious about why **septimus** has mentally cleared him. Maybe they’ve been in contact and **Inner** ’s made a claim? … Or they’re both scumbuddies. Or **septimus** is snuggling **Inner**. Or **Inner** has been secretly snuggling **septimus**. Or and or and or… ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2012, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3347 "2012-05-24T22:38:43Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > - her avoidance of my WoW, not a mention, no response, not even an acknowledgement but I turned up dead that Night This is the part that bothers me the most. Scum typically kill for entirely predictable reasons. I can entirely believe that your WoW led to your death. And, as circumstantial as that piece is, the rest of your case is pretty good, too. I’m home from work and as promised am jumping back into the game. See you soon with some posts! ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2012, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3348 "2012-05-24T22:45:01Z")
Meh, realitytrip #154, says hi, has played werewold before #338 starts off defending VisorSlash “Visorslash comes off as annoying and slightly antagonistic…but that really seems to be him, as evidenced by other posters from previous games. And would scum really want to come out as antagonistic on day one? Seems far fetched to me…” and even votes Mahaloth for his vote on Visorslash. #432 comment which looks like PIS about the triple voter being non-town and the double voters being town #439 asks Inner to explain why he chose to protect Visorslash, seems to be a pet interest #59 is quick to determine that the battle kill was caused by scum, wonders about the magical kill, fishes for ideas: "It would be nice as a collective town to come up with an idea of some of the powers floating around… " #868 when accused of lurking hardcore, claims it’s his first game of mafia “That is fair. All I can say is that this is my first mafia game and I feel like I have been thrown into the deep end of the pool” and that he’s in the deep end. Not entirely true about being a noob. #885 comments on items and their effect on posessors #960 I remember this post feeling false, seems really upset to discover that the triple vote wasn’t a one-off power “Damn. There goes my (admittedly small) hope that the triple vote was a one time power. Why is it public on day 2 though? Is it a limitation on the power or is it at the discretion of the user?” #1181 Votes items, promises analysis, wonders about the triple voter #1303 Votes Normal (not valid), is annoyed by her attempt at steering the vote her way #1530 Oops, about vote #1564 More about oops and vote not counting #1657 Responds to accusations from Weedy, point by point… And I just realized that I’m basically recyclying Weedy’s case against RealityTrip… And we know that weedy was not a nice guy, so, ahem. And on preview I see what Inner meant about interesting choices, can you link me to Normal’s post where she discussed that? ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2012, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3349 "2012-05-24T22:52:38Z")
I’m pretty sure that Septimus’ absolution is an attempt to not find a newly subbed in player scummy on the basis of they haven’t been around much. Fuck it, I never do well being cagey. I’m an assassin and I took a swing at Scathach last night. Realitytrip has been rocking the chaotic actions pretty hard and in doing so, I think made his row harder to hoe. Normal said she wanted Scathach dead, I tried to make that happen, but scathach obviously deflected the attack. I’m willing to lynch her instead though. \*\*Vote Scathach \*\* ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2012, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3350 "2012-05-24T23:02:07Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > And on preview I see what Inner meant about interesting choices, can you link me to Normal’s post where she discussed that? Sure. [#1658: Perfect Information?](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14978584&postcount=1658): Wonders if **RT** had PIS by focusing on three extra votes rather than five, using the hypothesis that no one other than **Normal** and **Visorslash** should’ve known that the two missing votes weren’t connected to scum. [#2233: The PM Exchange](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15017929&postcount=2233) - Back and forth between **Normal** and **RT** [#2239: Third Party](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15018061&postcount=2239) - **Normal** is waffling whether RT is 3rd party as claimed, or scum. [#2242: The Attacks](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15018609&postcount=2242) - Lists all of the attacks by **RT** she knows of. And on preview I see that **Inner** is claiming Assassin. I really think I might be right and there’s a band of brothers among the 3rd party crew. Suddenly quick to vote on **Scathach**. Who’s bussing whom? ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2012, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3351 "2012-05-24T23:05:25Z")
It would be nice to have a band of brothers. Sigh. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2012, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3352 "2012-05-24T23:13:09Z")
First off, here’s this: End of Day 1 - 379 End of Night 1 - 753 End of Day 2 - 1591 End of Night 2 - 1758 End of Day 3 - 2195 End of Night 3 - 2277 End of Day 4 - 2635 End of Night 4 - 2801 End of Day 5 - 3084 End of Night 5 - 3237 ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2012, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3353 "2012-05-24T23:19:32Z")
> [@choie](#): > > [#2233: The PM Exchange](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15017929&postcount=2233) - Back and forth between **Normal** and **RT** I didn’t mention this at the time, but Normal PMed me that whole exchange a bit before she posted it publicly, to get my opinion. I’ll say now what I said before. Realitytrip’s introduction: > [@](#): > > Ok. I keep going back and forth on you being scum or not. does not match the rest of his PM. Normal has redacted the next part, but it’s a _fairly full claim_, if I remember correctly. I can’t wrap my head around a townie sending a PM like that to somebody they suspect could be scum. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2012, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3354 "2012-05-24T23:25:10Z")
I would love for you to send that to me. It would be interesting to see what info my predecessor has been sharing. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2012, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3355 "2012-05-24T23:26:08Z")
While I’m doing a spot of rereading, here’s a list of my actions for Guiri’s list: Day 1 - I attacked BobArrgh Day 2 - I attacked Normal Phase Day 3 - I attacked realitytrip Day 4 - I attacked Mosier Day 5 - I attacked gnarlycharlie Night 5 - I defended Silver Jan ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2012, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3356 "2012-05-24T23:27:28Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > I would love for you to send that to me. It would be interesting to see what info my predecessor has been sharing. [You can find the exchange here, Inner Stickler.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15017929&postcount=2233) ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2012, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3357 "2012-05-24T23:28:29Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > I would love for you to send that to me. It would be interesting to see what info my predecessor has been sharing. Oops, I think I get what you’re asking now. Normal’s PM to me was just as redacted as the public PM she posted. I can’t tell you what specifically he told Normal Phase. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2012, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3358 "2012-05-24T23:33:09Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > I’m an assassin and I took a swing at Scathach last night. Since you’ve gone ahead and claimed, can you give us some more details about the assassin class? Gnarlycharlie was also an assassin, and I’d like to get an idea of what he might have been responsible for. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2012, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3359 "2012-05-24T23:33:43Z")
Damn. It’s a real handicap coming into a role that’s been PMing like it’s the town bicycle. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2012, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3360 "2012-05-24T23:35:29Z")
It’s a Soldier but instead of resting at Night, you can make a kill. Unless your target is Scathach, apparently. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2012, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3361 "2012-05-24T23:38:29Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > It’s a Soldier but instead of resting at Night, you can make a kill. Unless your target is Scathach, apparently. A full kill? Like a vig? I wonder how many people realitytrip was responsible for offing. Did Pizza provide you with a list of your “previous” actions performed by realitytrip? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480.md?page=167) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480.md?page=169)