# \[Mafia game\] The Realm of Phere **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 1, 2012, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480 "2012-04-01T15:04:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 169
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2012, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3362 "2012-05-24T23:44:34Z")
I haven’t the foggiest. When I received the role, it was a ninja which had no kill powers. Just a watch action. Since he describes doing damage in his PMs to Normal, I can only assume he changed classes or was bluffing. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2012, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3363 "2012-05-24T23:51:03Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > I haven’t the foggiest. When I received the role, it was a ninja which had no kill powers. Just a watch action. Since he describes doing damage in his PMs to Normal, I can only assume he changed classes or was bluffing. PM Pizza and see if he’ll fill you in. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2012, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3364 "2012-05-24T23:52:28Z")
Also - taking a dinner break. I’ll be back later for more re-reading and posting. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2012, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3365 "2012-05-24T23:53:13Z")
Ok, well while we wait for that answer on _does math_ Tuesday, was there anything else you wanted to know? ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2012, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3366 "2012-05-25T02:13:23Z")
1. > [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > For those concerned, this is the endgame and the game will be decided soon; you won’t have to endure much more in the way of delays to see the ending. Thanks for playing, and your patience. > [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > Game not over. Still in play. Just saying it’s almost done and the finish line is in sight. > > DONT PANIC GAME STILL IN PROGRESS. Meaning can be won by all sides. > [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > Choie, [endgame](http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=End_Game) usually means that scum is close to controlling the vote. If this were a standard game of mafia, endgame with 15 players would mean 5 or 6 scum alive, 6 or 7 townies and some third parties. Between neutral, evil, very evil and what have you, I’ve no idea what to expect in this game but I doubt there’s only 1 bad guy left to find and, given the reveals, I doubt we’re on the verge of winning but I suspect we need to attempt to distinguish between neutrals and evils. I think Askthepizzaguy is ‘confused’ with the two statements that: - it’s the endgame - it can be won by both sides as with this number of players alive the chances of any side winning must be very different. 1. > [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > I didn’t mention this at the time, but Normal PMed me that whole exchange a bit before she posted it publicly, to get my opinion. I’ll say now what I said before. Realitytrip’s introduction: > > … > > does not match the rest of his PM. Normal has redacted the next part, but it’s a _fairly full claim_, if I remember correctly. I can’t wrap my head around a townie sending a PM like that to somebody they suspect could be scum. > [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > I would love for you to send that to me. It would be interesting to see what info my predecessor has been sharing. > [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > I haven’t the foggiest. When I received the role, it was a ninja which had no kill powers. Just a watch action. Since he describes doing damage in his PMs to Normal, I can only assume he changed classes or was bluffing. As i’ve said, I was told nothing at all about what Lilflower had done - and that included hearing precisely nothing about any PMs. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2012, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3367 "2012-05-25T02:16:16Z")
That’s fair. Askthepizzaguy doesn’t know what PMs have been sent. He does know the actions you’ve taken, though. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2012, 6:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3368 "2012-05-25T06:33:34Z")
First: I’ve exchanged PM’s with neither Inner Stickler nor realitytrip. If there was a nefarious motive for my “absolving” Inner, I think I’d have found a better way to phrase the “absolution.” 🆒 Two reasons I don’t suspect Inner are meta-arguments: (1) I think realitytrip would be less likely to drop out if he had an exciting Scum role, (2) Inner has implied, in at last two prior games, that he regards it as highly unethical for active Scum to have very low participation. (I’m not completely sure if his participation until recently was low enough to justify that meta-argument. Admittedly, his participation picked up today. :dubious: ) Second, I did send guiri my list of actions and don’t know why he thinks I’m lying. In fact, the very stupidity of my actions implies I’m just another hapless Townie. 😃 For example, I’m the guy who wasted a Day Attack against ToeJam the same Day he was Lynched. This flaw was caused by my sleeping schedule, but would certainly not have happened if I were in communication with the Scummy triple-voter. I think guiri (and LightFoot, my other confidant) will agree my actions have not been anti-Town. I’ve not posted them publicly to increase the pressure against players who’ve not revealed, but guiri or LightFoot are welcome to reveal my actions if they deem that appropriate. I would like Fubbles _and_ Scathach to die. I don’t know if Fubbles is Scum or just an anti-Town 3rd Party, but either way he won’t be a misLynch. The choice now is between Lynching Scathach and getting a single good death, or Lynching Fubbles and Attacking Scathach for _two_ good deaths. I think players are discouraged by the damage scathach has taken without dying, _but I think she’s near her limit_. She’s taken 850 (or 900?) points damage, probably had only 1000 hp, so is almost out. (Does anyone know a role with more than 1000 hp?) BTW, the fact that she seems to have as many as 1000 hp is, I think, further cause for suspicion. ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2012, 9:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3369 "2012-05-25T09:26:40Z")
I’m happy to attack one suspect and lynch another. Also I just thought of another area of suspicion. Characters like me (who’ve died and come back to takeover non-participating players) have an interesting restriction. If we were originally Scum, we couldn’t come back as Town (even with the ‘non-disclosure’ agreement, it would be too much to ask not to reveal who all the Scum were!) And so any former Scum returning would logically have to be new Scum. :eek: That means that **original Scum who don’t post can’t be replaced** in a satisfactory way. Have we got any unreplaced players?! ---
**Author:** ![Scathach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Scathach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scathach)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2012, 9:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3370 "2012-05-25T09:37:30Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > What pings me most about her? > > - her one off votes, keeping her head down while gaining levels > - her lack of involvement in all of the lynches, lack of opinion and stances on the main lynch candidates > - her single post during a long silence D1-D2 to point out how she deserved credit > - her complete lack of scum hunting > - her avoidance of my WoW, not a mention, no response, not even an acknowledgement but I turned up dead that Night > - her apparent irritation at the resurrections > - upon my return, no defence against the votes she’s received but an attack on me, her accuser, citing my participation since being resurrected (which was a problem for some before I was even killed) and my fixation on her (she’s voiced no suspicions except me!) > - the lurking, she’s around enough to pop in with a strategy or random comment on color, but no attempt to find the bad guys. She’s online right now… In fairness this is the first time you’ve fully articulated your case on me, which previously seemed to be “she’s lurking”. I did respond to your WoW, and my suspicion of you was because your participation seemed different than in other games I’ve played with you. Although I note you have in fact started looking at other players now. ---
**Author:** ![Scathach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Scathach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scathach)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2012, 9:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3371 "2012-05-25T09:41:03Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > I’m pretty sure that Septimus’ absolution is an attempt to not find a newly subbed in player scummy on the basis of they haven’t been around much. > > Fuck it, I never do well being cagey. > > I’m an assassin and I took a swing at Scathach last night. Realitytrip has been rocking the chaotic actions pretty hard and in doing so, I think made his row harder to hoe. Normal said she wanted Scathach dead, I tried to make that happen, but scathach obviously deflected the attack. I’m willing to lynch her instead though. I’m a templar knight and I defended myself against all physical damage. Of course I got nailed by magic damage so there you go. ---
**Author:** ![Scathach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Scathach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scathach)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2012, 9:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3372 "2012-05-25T09:46:18Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > BTW, the fact that she seems to have as many as 1000 hp is, I think, further cause for suspicion. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2012, 9:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3373 "2012-05-25T09:56:31Z")
> [@glee](#): > > I’m happy to attack one suspect and lynch another. Who would you attack, who would you lynch? Have you shared any of your actions? > [@glee](#): > > That means that **original Scum who don’t post can’t be replaced** in a satisfactory way. > Have we got any unreplaced players?! No, it means that dead scum cannot sub back in again. Inactive scum can be replaced by any dead non-scum. > [@Scathach](#): > > In fairness this is the first time you’ve fully articulated your case on me, which previously seemed to be “she’s lurking”. > I did respond to your WoW, and my suspicion of you was because your participation seemed different than in other games I’ve played with you. Although I note you have in fact started looking at other players now. I stated my case previously, possibly not as comprehensively though. You didn’t respond to my WoW until after I was resurrected and voted you. Who else do you suspect? > [@Scathach](#): > > I’m a templar knight and I defended myself against all physical damage. Of course I got nailed by magic damage so there you go. What’s a templar knight? What have you been up to? ---
**Author:** ![Scathach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Scathach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scathach)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2012, 10:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3374 "2012-05-25T10:15:54Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > Who else do you suspect? > > What’s a templar knight? What have you been up to? 1. You. 2. Tanaer - who has been playing the newb card heavily as an excuse for everything. [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15094555&postcount=3317](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15094555&postcount=3317) in particular is saying a lot without saying anything. Choie also, I don’t know if she’s been breadcrumbing that she’s the one raising people or if I’m reading too much into what she’s hinting with her very secret role that she’ll only tell to a few, and her implicit trust of the newly raised. But I don’t trust the raised - Mosier was raised by Phere and turned out to be a good Zombie Knight. But none of the people raised by the “white light” have been killed again, so I’m not as convinced as some that they maintained their previous alignment. (Which is part of my reason for being suspicious of you :)). Also the increasing number of raised people could be one explanation for why we’re apparently in endgame. ---
**Author:** ![Scathach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Scathach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scathach)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2012, 10:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3375 "2012-05-25T10:19:00Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > What’s a templar knight? What have you been up to? Forgot this bit: Not a lot. I became a templar knight about a Day ago. I can basically attack or defend myself. I haven’t attacked anyone, and I defended myself last night. (Not that it stopped me from getting slaughtered by everyone anyway, but hey :p). I also gain 50 defense against physical attacks if I’m holding a staff, but I presume it’s fairly hopeless that anyone’s going to be voting me items any time soon ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2012, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3376 "2012-05-25T14:01:36Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > I think players are discouraged by the damage scathach has taken without dying, _but I think she’s near her limit_. She’s taken 850 (or 900?) points damage, probably had only 1000 hp, so is almost out. (Does anyone know a role with more than 1000 hp?) BTW, the fact that she seems to have as many as 1000 hp is, I think, further cause for suspicion. I know of such a role! It’s mine. I have a staggering **1400** hit points. Scathach having a lot of HP is not in and of itself suspicious. What did you base your assumption that 1000 is the limit on? ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2012, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3377 "2012-05-25T15:27:54Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > I know of such a role! It’s mine. > > I have a staggering **1400** hit points. Scathach having a lot of HP is not in and of itself suspicious. > > What did you base your assumption that 1000 is the limit on? 1000 was the largest hp _that I knew of_. I didn’t state it was the maximum. Your response only confirms my main point: that, while **scathach** has a _large_ hp, it is probably finite and likely to be mostly used up by now. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2012, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3378 "2012-05-25T19:28:54Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > I know of such a role! It’s mine. > > I have a staggering **1400** hit points. Scathach having a lot of HP is not in and of itself suspicious. > > What did you base your assumption that 1000 is the limit on? What have you been doing to get so many Hit Points?? lol. I still don’t know who to vote for and EOD is creeping up, I am floundering here and I don’t like it. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2012, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3379 "2012-05-25T19:44:56Z")
> [@Scathach](#): > > Forgot this bit: > > Not a lot. I became a templar knight about a Day ago. I can basically attack or defend myself. I haven’t attacked anyone, and I defended myself last night. (Not that it stopped me from getting slaughtered by everyone anyway, but hey :p). I also gain 50 defense against physical attacks if I’m holding a staff, but I presume it’s fairly hopeless that anyone’s going to be voting me items any time soon ☹ Is there anyone in the game that you do trust? Your top 2 scum candidates I find very trust worthy. If\*\* choie\*\* is scum then I will eat my hat, not that I have one but I will buy one and send the bill to her 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2012, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3380 "2012-05-25T19:48:26Z")
Ha, I fully expect choie’s first scumflip will take me by complete surprise. I think she’s good enough to snow me, which admittedly is not very difficult. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2012, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3381 "2012-05-25T19:56:59Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Ha, I fully expect choie’s first scumflip will take me by complete surprise. I think she’s good enough to snow me, which admittedly is not very difficult. She would probably be just as good as scum, I want to be on her scum team although she probably wouldn’t want me 😃 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480.md?page=168) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480.md?page=170)