# \[Mafia game\] The Realm of Phere

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480>\
**Category:** The Game Room\
**Created:** [April 1, 2012, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480 "2012-04-01T15:04:36Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\
**Post date:** [May 26, 2012, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3402 "2012-05-26T01:39:38Z")

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> [@GuiriEnEspana](#):
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> Who would you attack, who would you lynch?

I’ve already voted for Fubbleskag and am prepared to attack Scathach.

> [@GuiriEnEspana](#):
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> I think the vote is:
> 
> **Scathach** (3): Guiri(3242), InnerStickler(3348)  
> **Fubbleskag** (2): [del]Choie(3245-3340)[/del], [del]SilverJan(3238-3296)[/del], Glee(3286), Septimus(3291)  
> **InnerStickler** (1): choie(3340)  
> **Tanaer** (1): Scathach(3381)  
> **Septimus** (0): [del]SilverJan(3296-3307)[/del]  
> **AstralRejection** (0): [del]septimus(3254-3264,3266-3291)[/del]  
> **SilverJan** (0): [del]septimus(3264-3266)[/del]
> 
> **Not Voting** (7): SilverJan, Fubbleskag, Gadarene, AstralRejection, Lightfoot, Tanaer, storyteller0910
> 
> Fubbles has not posted in almost 3 weeks, Story in almost a week.

As a Knight, I have a double vote.

> [@GuiriEnEspana](#):
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> So, if all the neutrals want to claim now, maybe it’ll be easier for whoever’s left…
> 
> InnerStickler, you’re a neutral? Septimus? Scathach? Fubbleskag? Glee? Tanaer? Astral? SilverJan? Lightfoot?

I’m a Lawful Good Knight.

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**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\
**Post date:** [May 26, 2012, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3403 "2012-05-26T01:41:43Z")

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> [@Astral\_Rejection](#):
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> Vote Scathach.

> [@LightFoot](#):
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> \*\* Scathach \*\*

Votes need to be in **bold** (and I believe include the word Vote…)

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**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\
**Post date:** [May 26, 2012, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3404 "2012-05-26T02:22:06Z")

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> [@glee](#):
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> I’ve already voted for Fubbleskag and am prepared to attack Scathach.

Are you attacking magically or physically? (I’m assuming, as a knight, you’re physical.) If that’s the case, you should consider lynching Scathach and attacking fubbleskag as Scathach has already admitted to being resistant to physical damage.

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**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\
**Post date:** [May 26, 2012, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3405 "2012-05-26T04:02:23Z")

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> [@LightFoot](#):
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> choie \*\* can you link where you claimed the attack on me?

Sadly I can’t, it was via PM – when **Guiri** asked people to PM him their actions either yesterday (Thursday) or Wednesday.

Sorry about the attack though. What can I say, it was Day 1, and I was pretty much picking names at random just to see how the power / attack thing worked. I’d never had that ability before.

(Of course if you turn out to be scum I’ll swear up and down I was remarkably prescient! :))

Oh to answer **Astral** : The only green thing I possess, besides a burning envy for anyone right now with a good air conditioner, is my emerald ring.

Hey speaking of items… weren’t there a boatload of items up for grab? Okay, just looked back, and yes, there were. To refresh our memories:

1. Green Bow
2. Blue Bow
3. Ruby Pendant
4. Beryl Ring
5. Beryl Bracer
6. Black Bracer
7. Dragon’s Fang

What the hell is a bracer? I’m gonna pass on the Fang because, ew, and also I already have the healing potion, and IIRC the point of the Fang was to keep refreshing one’s health. But I would like _one_ offensive item, just one! That lovely longsword I coveted was won by **Normal** and look what happed to it! ☹

So how about…

**vote Blue Bow to choie**

I think this was **Normal** ’s too, and she did seem to put some damage to Phere with it. So hopefully I’ll put it to good use.

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**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\
**Post date:** [May 26, 2012, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3406 "2012-05-26T04:08:14Z")

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**Vote Dragon’s Fang to Inner Stickler  
Vote Black Bracer to Glee  
Vote Blue Bow to choie**

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**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\
**Post date:** [May 26, 2012, 6:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3407 "2012-05-26T06:22:33Z")

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**Vote Scathach**

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**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\
**Post date:** [May 26, 2012, 6:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3408 "2012-05-26T06:39:58Z")

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**Vote Scathach**

I too trust **choie** more than I trust **Scathach**. Sorry for what looked like a back handed compliment **choie** , it was just meant as praise.

Another reason for my vote on **Scathach** is that her top 2 candidates I consider definite Town and her vote on\*\* Tanaer\*\* seems to be opportunistic.

I am Chaotic Good and have been since the beginning of the game, I didn’t want to change because I quite like my role.

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**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\
**Post date:** [May 26, 2012, 6:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3409 "2012-05-26T06:41:13Z")

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**vote Blue Bow to choie**

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**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\
**Post date:** [May 26, 2012, 7:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3410 "2012-05-26T07:43:45Z")

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**Green Bow to Choie  
Blue Bow to LightFoot  
Ruby Pendant to Silver Jan  
Beryl Ring to Astral Rejection  
Beryl Bracer to Tanaer  
Black Bracer to Glee  
Dragon’s Fang to Gadarene**

```auto

Will the Soldiers please confirm whether their attack results vary with Element alignment?

[quote="choie, post:3405, topic:617480"]

The only green thing I possess, besides a burning envy for anyone right now with a good air conditioner, is my emerald ring.
[/QUOTE]

Where do you live? Doubt if it's as hot as Central Thailand in April. (Fortunately May has brought us some wind and rain.)

BTW, I agree that you'd be a very clever hard-to-detect Scum. I'll not be surprised if that's happening this game, but I've been throwing around too many accusations lately to toss another. ;)

I started life as a Good Townie Mage but Chaotic. Since I was already Chaotic, promotion required switching moral and game alignments.

If there was fame or fortune at stake I'd definitely want to switch back to Good alignment since *Town wins* is obviously easier to achieve than *Town wins AND I survive*. (There is an alternate Neutral win objective -- Most wealth -- but being neither a Thief nor a popularity contest winner, it's not a real option for me.)

My attacks are more effective if I know the target's Element. That's why I wanted to Lynch Fubbles and Attack Scathach. If anyone knows Fubbles' element, please tell me. Otherwise I'll probably spend the Day giving my meager Healing Potion to Tanaer.
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**Author:** ![Scathach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Scathach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scathach)\
**Post date:** [May 26, 2012, 8:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3411 "2012-05-26T08:10:00Z")

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> [@choie](#):
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> Sorry about the attack though. What can I say, it was Day 1, and I was pretty much picking names at random just to see how the power / attack thing worked. I’d never had that ability before.

Whereas I actually voted for Lightfoot, then attacked her that day.

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**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\
**Post date:** [May 26, 2012, 8:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3412 "2012-05-26T08:12:30Z")

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Fubbles was somehow immune to the orb of light in the D5 multi-orb attack:

Attack on Fubblesksag, no damage, orb of light, unknown  
Attack on Glee, 75hp, orb of water, unknown  
Attack on Tanaer, 75hp, orb of earth, unknown  
Attack on SuburbanPlankton, 300hp, orb of fire, unknown

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**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\
**Post date:** [May 26, 2012, 8:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3413 "2012-05-26T08:16:09Z")

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> [@Inner\_Stickler](#):
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> Are you attacking magically or physically? (I’m assuming, as a knight, you’re physical.) If that’s the case, you should consider lynching Scathach and attacking fubbleskag as Scathach has already admitted to being resistant to physical damage.

**Unvote Fubbleskag Vote Scathach**

> [@choie](#):
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> 1. Green Bow
> 2. Blue Bow
> 3. Ruby Pendant
> 4. Beryl Ring
> 5. Beryl Bracer
> 6. Black Bracer
> 7. Dragon’s Fang
> 
> What the hell is a bracer?

Bracers were used in Dungeons and Dragons Edition 1 (they originally come from Archery, I think.) They give magical protection and fit on your arms as leather guards.

As mentioned previously, my **Black Helm** was destroyed in protecting me from Lord Phere, so I’d like the **Black Bracer** as replacement…

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**Author:** ![Scathach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Scathach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scathach)\
**Post date:** [May 26, 2012, 8:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3414 "2012-05-26T08:23:29Z")

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This will probably be my last post toDay - it’s crazy warm here and I’m off paintballing, then throwing a bbq later.

3 things:  
-A lynch of me is just as much a mislynch for town as lynching a townie, since it won’t advance towns wincon whatsoever.  
-I find it surprising that no one has so much as asked a question about any of gnarlycharlies actions, given that I know them and has instead rushed in for the easy lynch  
-I’m going to flip Chaotic/Evil because I had the option to switch after gnarlycharlie died and took it. Everything I said was true though, I’ve been Neutral/neutral all game, but town’s not that friendly to neutrals so there didn’t seem much point staying. And I did attack choie D1.

I also know what it was visorslash was searching for, but frankly, if there’s anyone else looking for it out there I’d prefer to see them succeed rather than town. I don’t have it unfortunately.

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**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\
**Post date:** [May 26, 2012, 9:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3415 "2012-05-26T09:07:24Z")

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> [@Scathach](#):
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> \*\*PizzaMod, would sharing a link to an offboard communication thread be breaking the rules \*\*

I can’t believe it’s being asked, but apparently it’s not explicitly barred by the rules page.  
That said, I would consider this illegal.

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**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\
**Post date:** [May 26, 2012, 9:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3416 "2012-05-26T09:13:25Z")

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With regard to a Day One attack, it’s easy enough to check my notes to see who recorded what action.

That said, as game moderator, I can’t confirm anyone made an action, only that there was no error in the writeup on this point.

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**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\
**Post date:** [May 26, 2012, 9:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3417 "2012-05-26T09:33:40Z")

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> [@GuiriEnEspana](#):
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> Fubbles was somehow immune to the orb of light in the D5 multi-orb attack:

According to the damage table Pizza posted initially

```auto

       Target:
      Fire Earth Water Wind Light Shadow
Fire ?? Dble Half Norm ?? ??
Earth Half ?? Norm Dble ?? ??
Water Dble Norm ?? Half ?? ??
Wind Norm Half Dble ?? ?? ??
Light Half Norm Norm Half Norm Dble
Shadow Norm Half Half Norm Dble Norm

```

Light damages targets of any of the six elements, so Fubbles’ resistance to Light must have had some other reason.

(In the above table “??” means the result was omitted from Pizza’s post. I assume this means “No Damage” but have never tested this or asked about it.)

Anyway, I still think Lynching Fubbs is best toDay. I promise to use my Magic powers to deliver huge damage to Scathach if that is the consensus request. (I’m the one who gave her the 600hp jolt last Night: Please no hard feelings, **scathach**? 🆒 :eek: )

Otherwise, I’ll move my Lynch vote and change my Day Action. All I ask is that decision not be put off to the last moment. I’ll be asleep a few hours before EOD.

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**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\
**Post date:** [May 26, 2012, 9:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3418 "2012-05-26T09:38:27Z")

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The ??'s on your chart should all be “Norm”.

Game was originally going to have four elements, but I thought that was boring so I added in Light and Shadow and didn’t fill in the rest of the table well enough.

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**Author:** ![Tanaer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tanaer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tanaer)\
**Post date:** [May 26, 2012, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3419 "2012-05-26T15:24:52Z")

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Scathach, how exactly is killing you not going to advance our win condition? Clearly, you aren’t a templar knight. If you’re going to flip chaotic evil then you’re much more likely a terror knight, and that _very definitely_ makes you a threat to town because you have a kill! I know because I could see it while I was berserker.

**vote Scathach**  
We need to be very careful about items Today. Is the dragon’s fang the artefact that was found? We need to be very careful where things go today, given that evil people are looking for something.

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**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\
**Post date:** [May 26, 2012, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3420 "2012-05-26T15:31:20Z")

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Good evening ladies and Bruces.

Here is a breathlessly-awaited current Vote Count.

For the lynch.  
Nine votes.[ul][li]Scathach: Guiri (3,242), Inner Stickler II (3,348), Choie (3,393), LightFoot (3,398), Astral Rejection (3,400), Silver Jan (3,407), Glee II (3,412)[sup]1[/sup], Tanaer (3418)[/ul][/li]One vote.[ul][li]fubbleskag: septimus (3,291)[/li][li]Tanaer: Scathach (3,381)[/ul][/li]  
Item votes.  
Beryl Bracer.Tanaer (1): septimus (3,409)  
Beryl Ring.Astral Rejection (1): septimus (3,409)  
Black Bracer.Glee II (4): Glee (3,279)[sup]1[/sup], Inner Stickler (3,405), septimus (3,409)  
Blue Bow.Choie (3): Choie (3,404), Inner Stickler II (3,405), Silver Jan (3,408)  
LightFoot (1): septimus (3,409)  
Dragon’s FangInner Stickler II (1): Inner Stickler II (3,405)  
Gadarene (1): septimus (3,409)  
Green BowChoie (1): septimus (3,409)  
Ruby PendantSilver Jan (1): septimus (3,409)  
As usual, please draw attention to any errors in the above lists.

[sup]1[/sup]Vote doubled.

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**Author:** ![Tanaer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tanaer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tanaer)\
**Post date:** [May 26, 2012, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3421 "2012-05-26T15:43:06Z")

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> [@septimus](#):
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> [COLOR=“Purple”]
> 
> Will the Soldiers please confirm whether their attack results vary with Element alignment?
> 
> My attacks are more effective if I know the target’s Element. That’s why I wanted to Lynch Fubbles and Attack Scathach. If anyone knows Fubbles’ element, please tell me. Otherwise I’ll probably spend the Day giving my meager Healing Potion to Tanaer.

Okay, as I said, I haven’t attacked anybody but Phere, so I don’t have any evidence about the element thing, sorry.

Thankyou for the thought re the healing potion, and I would love to recover my HP, but I think I am most vulnerable at dusk today, so would dearly love some guarding. I will be physically guarding myself, but if anyone can give me a bit of magic shielding (or use healing on me) I may make it through the danger zone.

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