# \[Mafia game\] The Realm of Phere **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 1, 2012, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480 "2012-04-01T15:04:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 172
**Author:** ![Tanaer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tanaer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tanaer)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2012, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3422 "2012-05-26T15:52:06Z")
\*\*[color=purple]Beryl Bracer: Tanaer Black Bracer: Glee Beryl Ring: Astral Rejection Blue Bow: Choie Green Bow: Gadarene Dragon’s Fang: Tanaer Ruby Pendant: Septimus ---
**Author:** ![Tanaer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tanaer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tanaer)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2012, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3423 "2012-05-26T15:53:09Z")
Try that again shall I? **Beryl Bracer: Tanaer Black Bracer: Glee Beryl Ring: Astral Rejection Blue Bow: Choie Green Bow: Gadarene Dragon’s Fang: Tanaer Ruby Pendant: Septimus** ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2012, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3424 "2012-05-26T16:05:08Z")
**Ruby Pendant to Silver Jan** ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2012, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3425 "2012-05-26T16:06:27Z")
\*\*Beryl Bracer: Tanaer Black Bracer: Glee Beryl Ring: Astral Rejection Blue Bow: Choie Green Bow: Gadarene Dragon’s Fang: Astral Rejection Ruby Pendant: GuiriEnEspana \*\* ---
**Author:** ![Tanaer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tanaer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tanaer)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2012, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3426 "2012-05-26T16:07:53Z")
With a bit of luck I’ll actually make Bard tonight: This means- a) If you attack and kill me you’re an utter bastard when you know I’ve wanted to see what it does all game. b) Bards are good, as anyone who’s a fighter will already know. c) In a bunch of D&D and related games, bards can identify items (especially artefacts), as keepers of the lore of their age. I have no idea whether it will be the case here. If you _vote me the dragon fang_, it will keep it out of harm’s way, and possibly get it analysed. I wish I knew somebody I trusted implicitly as an alternative vote. I’m a bit too wary of the “coming back a bit skewed from the dead” scenario to give it to Guiri or Gad. I don’t want to give it to a neutral, and we seem to have quite a few of them. Speaking of which, **Choie** , are you neutral? (Clerics are neutral, and you claim healing powers) ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2012, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3427 "2012-05-26T16:08:29Z")
I’m down with that, but I want GuiriEnEspana getting an item, so… **Ruby Pendant: Silver Jan Black Bracer: GuiriEnEspana** There we go. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2012, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3428 "2012-05-26T16:09:13Z")
\*\* beryl bracer: lightFoot Dragons fang: Gad Green bow: septimus \*\* I don’t think \*\*choie \*\* needs or can even carry both bows. The players vying for the dragons fang concern me. (I’d love to have it but that’s not going to happen this late in the Day) so I’ll trust Gad for the moment I’ve forgotten eoD again ---
**Author:** ![Tanaer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tanaer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tanaer)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2012, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3429 "2012-05-26T16:11:01Z")
> [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > Ruby Pendant to Silver Jan oh well if somebody actually wants it - **unvote Ruby Pendant; Ruby Pendant: Silver Jan** ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2012, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3430 "2012-05-26T16:11:38Z")
> [@Tanaer](#): > > With a bit of luck I’ll actually make Bard tonight: > > This means- > > a) If you attack and kill me you’re an utter bastard when you know I’ve wanted to see what it does all game. For this very reason, you’re safe from me toDay. I totally understand really wanting to see a role. The Dragon’s Fang sounds powerful, though, so I’m not going to vote it to you. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2012, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3431 "2012-05-26T16:13:53Z")
To be clear I think the dragon’s fang could be dangerous in the wrong hands. I know I would not use it for evil- hence my comment about wanting to have it. of the players in the running for said item I’m more inclined towards \*\* Gad \*\* ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2012, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3432 "2012-05-26T16:14:20Z")
I’m down with Gad getting the Dragon’s Fang. \*\* Dragon’s Fang: Gadarene \*\* ---
**Author:** ![Tanaer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tanaer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tanaer)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2012, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3433 "2012-05-26T16:15:57Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > \*\* beryl bracer: lightFoot > Dragons fang: Gad > Green bow: septimus \*\* > > I don’t think \*\*choie \*\* needs or can even carry both bows. > > The players vying for the dragons fang concern me. (I’d love to have it but that’s not going to happen this late in the Day) > so I’ll trust Gad for the moment > I’ve forgotten eoD again Was EOD 5pm Sat?? I’m worried about the fang too! (But that’s why I voted myself for it) I would previously have loved to trust Gad too. I’m just worried re the resurrectees. If people won’t trust me with it I’ll consider Gad as a second option tho. At least he’s someone I trusted up until death. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2012, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3434 "2012-05-26T16:16:24Z")
> [@Tanaer](#): > > Scathach, how exactly is killing you not going to advance our win condition? Clearly, you aren’t a templar knight. If you’re going to flip chaotic evil then you’re much more likely a terror knight, and that _very definitely_ makes you a threat to town because you have a kill! I know because I could see it while I was berserker. This is a subject that has been contentious in the past. There are 2 types of third party roles. Some, like the survivor role, are called Win Inclusive. They win with either town or scum and don’t prevent a team from winning. Sometimes people refer to these players as Third Party. The other type, such as a serial killer, are called Win Exclusive. They steal the win, and prevent any other teams from winning. They are sometimes called Plays For Keeps, or PFK. The conventional wisdom says lynching a Third Party is a mislynch, while lynching a PFK is not. If there’s a game with 16 players, 4 are mafia, 1 is a survivor and 11 are town, lynching the survivor on the first day is functionally equivalent to starting the game with 15 players. Scathach is claiming that her role is not one that is considered a threat to town. Since town wins by eliminating its threats, lynching her does not advance town’s wincon. Having a kill or not is sort of irrelevant. A vig has a kill and is definitely a mislynch. It’s a matter of how does the lynch affect the game state. ---
**Author:** ![Tanaer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tanaer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tanaer)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2012, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3435 "2012-05-26T16:28:26Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > This is a subject that has been contentious in the past. There are 2 types of third party roles. Some, like the survivor role, are called Win Inclusive. They win with either town or scum and don’t prevent a team from winning. Sometimes people refer to these players as Third Party. The other type, such as a serial killer, are called Win Exclusive. They steal the win, and prevent any other teams from winning. They are sometimes called Plays For Keeps, or PFK. The conventional wisdom says lynching a Third Party is a mislynch, while lynching a PFK is not. If there’s a game with 16 players, 4 are mafia, 1 is a survivor and 11 are town, lynching the survivor on the first day is functionally equivalent to starting the game with 15 players. > > Scathach is claiming that her role is not one that is considered a threat to town. Since town wins by eliminating its threats, lynching her does not advance town’s wincon. Having a kill or not is sort of irrelevant. A vig has a kill and is definitely a mislynch. It’s a matter of how does the lynch affect the game state. Thanks for the explanation. I think though that in this game keeping her around is making it worse for town at the very least because: - too much lying is at the very least keeping too much of our attention - she’s already admitted to chaotic evil. She’s saying she’s not original scum team, but chances are she’s effective scum by now. - if she doesn’t get lynched, she’ll probably NK a townie (Guiri’s pretty likely a townie, and seems her main target). So we’ll be down one extra for her survival. ---
**Author:** ![Tanaer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tanaer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tanaer)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2012, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3436 "2012-05-26T16:53:47Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > For this very reason, you’re safe from me toDay. I totally understand really wanting to see a role. The Dragon’s Fang sounds powerful, though, so I’m not going to vote it to you. 😃 😛 Well, I might be a crap player, but I’m as trustworthy as they come. I’ve been really up front with you guys. We might have known what it does by Dawn. Oh well, I can’t stay up any longer to try and convince you. I’ll try to set a pre EOD alarm in case people change their mind, but if it’s really only 4 hours away I’m not sure I’ll wake. **unvote Dragon’s Fang; Dragon’s Fang: Gadarene** ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2012, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3437 "2012-05-26T17:16:11Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > **Green Bow to Choie > Blue Bow to LightFoot > Ruby Pendant to Silver Jan > Beryl Ring to Astral Rejection > Beryl Bracer to Tanaer > Black Bracer to Glee > Dragon’s Fang to Gadarene** Thanks **septimus**! As mentioned below, though, maybe you can change the Green and Blue Bow votes? I mean you can do as you like, obviously, but I don’t need both bows, and I don’t know if **LightFoot** has any offensive weapons, so I’m happy for her to have one (assuming she’s Town, obv.). > [@septimus](#): > > Where do you live? Doubt if it’s as hot as Central Thailand in April. (Fortunately May has brought us some wind and rain.) OOG: NYC, and it’s not even unseasonably warm, but my apartment was stuffy as hell last night for some reason. I had to keep the window closed because traffic was unbelievably noisy last night. (I’m right near the lead-up to the Queensborough Bridge, so when that’s clogged, the traffic backs up on East 58th street for like five blocks.) When summer comes, it’s probably still not has hot as Thailand, but it’s probably almost as uncomfortable. The steel canyons here in the city trap the heat and humidity like a mofo. (The only good thing about summer in the city here is that so many people leave over the weekends, it gets blissfully quiet for a change.) > [@Scathach](#): > > This will probably be my last post toDay - it’s crazy warm here and I’m off paintballing, then throwing a bbq later. Can I have your life? That sounds awesome. > [@Scathach](#): > > I also know what it was visorslash was searching for, but frankly, if there’s anyone else looking for it out there I’d prefer to see them succeed rather than town. I don’t have it unfortunately. Sooooo evil **Visorslash** was looking for something of ultimate power, and you’d rather have Scum or a third party get it than Town? Yeowch. That’s your self-signed death warrant right there. Also, honestly, I won’t believe you’re a Knight of any kind considering you don’t have two votes. Unless you just became Knight Today? (But if that were the case you’d’ve corrected **Guiri** ’s vote count.) So, yeah. > [@Tanaer](#): > > Speaking of which, **Choie** , are you neutral? (Clerics are neutral, and you claim healing powers) Not a cleric, nope. To avoid quoting from my PM, I’ll just say I have nothing in common with Switzerland’s traditional stance, nor do I share an alignment with **Visorslash**. Also, I am quite obedient when it comes to the laws of the land, almost boringly so. Looking at all of the above item votes, I’ll add the following to my previous self-interested vote: \*\*Beryl Bracer: Tanaer Black Bracer: Glee Beryl Ring: Astral Rejection Green Bow: LightFoot Dragon’s Fang: Silver Jan Ruby Pendant: Silver Jan \*\* **Tanaer** gets the Bracer because apparently that helps defensively, and she said she needs it, and hey, I’m a musician (or was) so Bards are a-okay in my book. **Glee** gets his Black Bracer to make up for the loss of his helm. Whatever that was. **Astra** gets the ring because well, he wants it so what hell, and I trust him. **LightFoot** gets the green bow because I think she wanted it. Or I could be mistaken. I’m extremely leery of the Dragon’s Fant; it really sounds more like a curse than an object someone good can use. But if I’m gonna trust anyone with it, it’ll be **Silver Jan** , because I rather like having her around. She also gets the ruby pendant because she wanted it, and I owe her. 🙂 I would’ve voted something to **Guiri** except I’m pretty sure he has a lot of things already, so might as well spread the wealth. Finally: thanks **MHaye** for pitching in beyond the grave with the vote count! ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2012, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3438 "2012-05-26T17:18:47Z")
What the hell is a Dragon’s fant? Nimrod. I meant Fang, obviously. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2012, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3439 "2012-05-26T17:29:05Z")
> [@choie](#): > > Astra gets the ring because well, he wants it so what hell, and I trust him. It was already being voted to me, I might as well toss my own vote in for it. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2012, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3440 "2012-05-26T18:46:27Z")
**Unvote Bows. Green Bow to Septimus Blue Bow to Choie** Signing off for the day … and the Day… ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2012, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3441 "2012-05-26T19:18:55Z")
I think this is correct… Beryl Bracer. Tanaer (4): septimus (3,409), Tanaer(3422), AstralRejection(3424), choie(3436) Lightfoot (1): Lightfoot(3427) Beryl Ring. Astral Rejection (4): septimus (3,409), Tanaer(3422), AstralRejection(3424), choie(3436) Black Bracer. Glee II (6): Glee (3,279)1, Inner Stickler (3,405), septimus (3,409), Tanaer(3422), choie(3436) Guiri (1): AstralRejection(3426) Blue Bow. Choie (6): Choie (3,404), Inner Stickler II (3,405), Silver Jan (3,408), Tanaer(3422), AstralRejection(3424), septimus (3,439) Dragon’s Fang Inner Stickler II (1): Inner Stickler II (3,405) Gadarene (4): septimus (3,409), Lightfoot(3427), AstralRejection(3431), Tanaer(3435) SilverJan (1): choie(3436) Green Bow Gadarene (2): Tanaer(3422), AstralRejection(3424) Septimus (2): Lightfoot(3427), septimus(3439) Lightfoot (1): choie(3436) Ruby Pendant Silver Jan (5): septimus (3,409), SilverJan(3423), AstralRejection(3426), Tanaer(3428), choie(3436) It’s somewhat disconcerting to see so much agreement in the lynch votes and for several of the items. **Beryl bracer Tanaer Beryl ring Astral Black bracer Guiri Blue bow choie Dragons fang Gadarene Green bow Gadarene Ruby pendant silverjan** [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480.md?page=171) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480.md?page=173)