# \[Mafia game\] The Realm of Phere **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 1, 2012, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480 "2012-04-01T15:04:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 176
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2012, 9:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3502 "2012-05-29T09:26:21Z")
I’d prefer Night to end early too. I used the blue ring on Fubbles yesterDay. It did not inflict damage as I’d hoped. Lightfoot, thanks for the guard! 1. Fubbleskag 2. Gadarene 3. Astral Rejection 4. septimus 5. GuiriEnEspana - used blue ring on fubbles 6. Lightfoot - guarded guiri 7. Silver Jan 8. choie - attacked fubbles 9. Tanaer 10. Inner Stickler 11. Glee - no action 12. storyteller0910 13. Askthepizzaguy ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2012, 9:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3503 "2012-05-29T09:43:25Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > I explained, more than once, why we should have Lynched Fubbles yesterDay, and used our Attacks against Scathach. I thought we agreed that Sacthach had lots of hit points and so we were going to Lynch Scathach and Attack Fubbleskag? ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2012, 9:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3504 "2012-05-29T09:44:50Z")
> [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > I would rather end Night earlier rather than later. +1 ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2012, 9:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3505 "2012-05-29T09:55:31Z")
Sorry for mixing up Day and Night. :smack: Call it a Scum-tell if you wish. Without mentioning Moderator by name, I’ll blame it on the Game’s pace: We had a Lyniching EOD, then waited what seemed a very long time, then got a End of Phase post. Wuldn’t that seem like End of Night? 😃 Especially if, as me, you’re already worried about early Alzheimer’s symptoms? :dubious: > [@choie](#): > > Where did I say I was taking credit for both? If you know, or think you know, who the other magic attacker was, feel like sharing with the class? > So you didn’t bother attacking **fubbles** since you decided to waste your lone vote on him despite the fact that the vast majority were voting to lynch **Scathach**? > > What did you do last Night? I was just trying to speak cutesily. Since no one suffered damage from the powerful Magic Attacks I’ve been boasting of, but Fubbles repelled two magic attacks it is correct (and seemed obvious) that **one of those Attacks was mine.** > [@glee](#): > > I thought we agreed that Sacthach had lots of hit points and so we were going to Lynch Scathach and Attack Fubbleskag? Perhaps everyone but me agreed on that. I kept trying to point out that Scathach was already down 850hp or so, that I could deliver strong Attacks, and that the highest known hp total was Astral’s 1400. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2012, 10:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3506 "2012-05-29T10:19:32Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > I used the blue ring on Fubbles yesterDay. It did not inflict damage as I’d hoped. It appears that _three_ of us are claiming failed magic Attacks on Fubbles from yesterDay. In another window I am looking at a PM from our Moderator, asserting that my magic attack on Fubbles failed. Is one of choie or guiri confused? Or, was one of theirs the “bolt fired at his chest” that damaged 100hp? ---
**Author:** ![Tanaer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tanaer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tanaer)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2012, 11:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3507 "2012-05-29T11:46:26Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > It appears that _three_ of us are claiming failed magic Attacks on Fubbles from yesterDay. > > In another window I am looking at a PM from our Moderator, asserting that my magic attack on Fubbles failed. Is one of choie or guiri confused? Or, was one of theirs the “bolt fired at his chest” that damaged 100hp? Guiri was using the blue ring he got from Weedy, trying it out, as I remember. So I would guess it would mean the ring doesn’t do damage. It may actually defend from it? I guarded myself, as I said I was doing (twice, I think). It’s an action, just not an obvious one, and I had reason - I was low on HP. I didn’t even know we could defend ourselves til I saw people had claimed to do it on earlier days. ---
**Author:** ![Tanaer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tanaer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tanaer)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2012, 11:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3508 "2012-05-29T11:49:01Z")
I guess Pizza’s gone back to bed & I will have to wait for class change results. I would be happy with a short night too. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2012, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3509 "2012-05-29T13:26:27Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Or, was one of theirs the “bolt fired at his chest” that damaged 100hp? The bolt is likely mine, although I’ve received no moderator confirmation about it. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2012, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3510 "2012-05-29T15:43:29Z")
I’ve received a PM showing confusion about my claim to have inflicted massive damage on **scathach** yesterNight. Unfortunately, the damage wasn’t shown until #3239, with Pizza correcting his Night report after I PM’ed him: > [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > And it seems the damage to Scathach is more severe than our game host let on. Was it for suspense, or is he an idiot? > > - The answer is letter 2.\* > > \*\*Scathach takes 600hp damage from one of those attacks, not 200. > > \*\*Still alive. Did others miss this? Would players have followed my advice and Lynched Fubbles toDay had my awesome Magic Power been more visible? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2012, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3511 "2012-05-29T15:53:22Z")
I totally forgot about it. Sorry, Septimus. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2012, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3512 "2012-05-29T16:15:47Z")
BTW, I wasn’t trying to keep the 600hp Attack secret. I mentioned a few times the total damage Scathach had suffered, which should have rung bells for anyone who’d lost the correct count. And in my final plea to Lynch Fubbles (against whom Magic powers seem ineffective) I wrote: > [@septimus](#): > > … Anyway, I still think Lynching Fubbs is best toDay. I promise to use my Magic powers to deliver huge damage to Scathach if that is the consensus request. (I’m the one who gave her the 600hp jolt last Night: Please no hard feelings, **scathach**? 🆒 :eek: ) ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2012, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3513 "2012-05-29T16:18:46Z")
Sorry for being crabby, **septimus**. This is _Lord of the Flies_ all over again. As far as the claims on **fubbles** attacks: I _definitely_ used my emerald ring for the first time yesterDay, for all the good it did. I was told it fired 100hp of Earth-elemental damage at **fubbles** , but was deflected by an item he holds. And now **Astral** is claiming the successful attack on **fubbles**. Good grief. So we have three attacks, two of which were definitely magic and unsuccessful, one possibly non-magic with a bolt, which was successful. (I say “possibly” because a “bolt” could be a lightning bolt, couldn’t it? Or does it mean something else? What kind of weapon fires a bolt?) So four claimed attacks and only three listed attacks; of these, there were three claimed magic attacks, and only two listed magic attacks. **Astral** seems trustworthy to me. But between **Guiri** ’s “joke” smudge and **Gadarene** ’s creepy silence, I’m now worried about the revived folks and the choices they’ve made. Especially since my suspicion appears to be right about this game being about people’s choices. That’s why I disagree with **glee**. I remain convinced that this game is about the corruption of good (or at least neutral) people, whether in search for power or some other motivation. **Weedy** probably held Phere’s chains to start with, which is why she was Very Evil, but maybe she wasn’t an inherently “bad” person, sort of like… if Luke had chosen the Dark Side in RoTJ; eventually someone usurped her – which seems to be the only explanation for Phere turning against her that makes sense, unless the demon temporarily freed himself – and the usurper was gradually turned more and more Evil. I wonder if that person was **PetW** , whose weird non-reveal _still_ hasn’t been explained; maybe he held control for such a short time that he didn’t have time to turn completely scummy. Next came **Visorslash** , and again he was killed by the demon or someone who now had control of Phere. Now **Scathach** , who didn’t have time to hunt down the demon to do her dirty work because finally we lynched someone before they got the chance. There have certainly been people, at least fictionally, who were turned Evil and angry at the world due to the loss of a loved one. Actually isn’t that Anakin/Darth’s arc in the _Star Wars_ prequels? So my theory remains that I don’t think there is an official Scum team. I think it’s all individuals who decide to be evil, and thus “scummy.” In fact, didn’t somewhere **Pizzaguy** _say_ that no one would be corrupted/recruited _against his or her will_? If so, this backs my theory up IMHO. ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2012, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3514 "2012-05-29T16:25:09Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Did others miss this? Would players have followed my advice and Lynched Fubbles toDay had my awesome Magic Power been more visible? 😃 I’d forgotten about it too, but I don’t understand why people wouldn’t have assumed you’d just turn that “awesome Magic Power” against **fubbles** , considering the anti- **Scathach** wagon was already steamrolling down the hill, seemingly unstoppable. Why are, or were, you so certain that this Awesome Magic Power attack was destined to fail against **fubbles**? What info do you have? ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2012, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3515 "2012-05-29T17:51:41Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > BTW, I wasn’t trying to keep the 600hp Attack secret. I mentioned a few times the total damage Scathach had suffered, which should have rung bells for anyone who’d lost the correct count. And in my final plea to Lynch Fubbles (against whom Magic powers seem ineffective) I wrote: This is a terrible excuse, but have you ever had something just not click in your brain? That’s what happened to me. I probably read your post twice as I was rereading, and somehow I never connected it to you. > [@choie](#): > > And now **Astral** is claiming the successful attack on **fubbles**. Good grief. So we have three attacks, two of which were definitely magic and unsuccessful, one possibly non-magic with a bolt, which was successful. (I say “possibly” because a “bolt” could be a lightning bolt, couldn’t it? Or does it mean something else? What kind of weapon fires a bolt?) Crossbows fire bolts. I’m an archer-type, and I used the bow I won yesterDay. It does 100 points of damage, and fubbleskag took 100 points of damage. Therefore, I believe that attack to be mine. However, I received no moderator notice that my attack was successful, hence the possible doubt. The bow fires a “magical” bolt, apparently, because I know that my bow does 100 points of fire damage. Therefore, fubbleskag is not protected against fire. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2012, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3516 "2012-05-29T17:56:08Z")
Also, I’ll repeat my question from yesterday. **Who has the green staff?** ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2012, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3517 "2012-05-29T17:59:39Z")
> [@choie](#): > > I’d forgotten about it too, but I don’t understand why people wouldn’t have assumed you’d just turn that “awesome Magic Power” against **fubbles** , considering the anti- **Scathach** wagon was already steamrolling down the hill, seemingly unstoppable. Why are, or were, you so certain that this Awesome Magic Power attack was destined to fail against **fubbles**? What info do you have? Even if scathach and fubbles were equally susceptible to Magic Attacks, fubbles would be the logical Lynchee, since scathach was likely to be nearer to death. Scathach knew she was under ongoing magic attacks; the fact they continued to get through suggested she had no way to make herself immune and would soon be overcome. As I stated several times, Lynching fubbles was the proper plan if we wanted both of them to die. I had no special knowledge that fubbles was immune to magic, but I do know that protection against magic does exist. And I’m sure I’m not the only one to note he seems powerful and has gone eerily quiet. BTW, my result PM from Pizza stated a reason why my Attack failed. Before stating it publicly, I wonder if choie and guiri – who also claim failed Magic Attacks against fubbles – will also admit to such a reason in their result PMs. ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2012, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3518 "2012-05-29T18:33:47Z")
I used the diamond ring on Scathach the Day before yesterDay and it did 100hp damage, I only learned what the ring did after I used it. YesterDay I used the blue ring on Fubbles, hoping it would do damage, but it didn’t. This morning I learned that the blue ring has protective powers but they were not effective on Fubbles… ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2012, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3519 "2012-05-29T18:50:48Z")
Scathach no, it was gnarly. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2012, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3520 "2012-05-29T18:57:22Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > This morning I learned that the blue ring has protective powers but they were not effective on Fubbles… Perhaps I’m misreading this (inferring a comma before ‘but’) but could they have been effective on Fubbles, the effect being he was protected from Magic Attack? :smack: (I guess this leaves only **choie** to comment on whether Result PM gave a reason for failure.) ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2012, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3521 "2012-05-29T19:03:44Z")
From Dusk: > [@](#): > > Severely wounded, it was all he could do to lift his scepter and shield himself from the assault. > > Fortunately for him, a powerful spell, and then another, were completely deflected by the shield generated from his magical scepter. The ring had no effect whatsoever. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480.md?page=175) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480.md?page=177)