# \[Mafia game\] The Realm of Phere **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 1, 2012, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480 "2012-04-01T15:04:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 182
**Author:** ![Tanaer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tanaer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tanaer)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2012, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3622 "2012-06-03T14:52:38Z")
well it certainly looks like i’m the last one in my timezone. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2012, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3623 "2012-06-03T14:54:51Z")
I posted before noticing Silver Jan’s post which is timestamped just a minute before mine. If we _were_ synchronizing a dialog with private PM’s, I think we’d have found a cleverer timing! It was Weedy herself, e.g. in #2033, who pointed out that a Mafia game with only a single scum is very unusual: no scum bussing or protecting fellow scum. Yet the latest EON post from Pizza makes it sound like there is only a single threat left. I do find **Tanaer** to be the most (or only) suspicious Player left. I will admit that, unfortunately, part of this is the meta-argument that Tanaer and Weedy’s personal friendship may have played a role in the strange Scum illusion, but re-reading old posts with fresh eyes, she does seem to be play-acting with helpful comments and wish to become Bard. (I’m bypassing **choie** for another meta-argument: Evil Scum might have avoided angry posts. :smack: ) **guiri** , have you drawn any conclusions from your tabulation of player actions? Go ahead and reveal mine if you wish. Is there any active player who has yet to report his or her actions? ---
**Author:** ![Tanaer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tanaer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tanaer)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2012, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3624 "2012-06-03T15:50:33Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > I posted before noticing Silver Jan’s post which is timestamped just a minute before mine. If we _were_ synchronizing a dialog with private PM’s, I think we’d have found a cleverer timing! > > It was Weedy herself, e.g. in #2033, who pointed out that a Mafia game with only a single scum is very unusual: no scum bussing or protecting fellow scum. Yet the latest EON post from Pizza makes it sound like there is only a single threat left. It was Pizza’s own preamble that I look to. He implied that there were one or more summoners, and a mastermind, well hidden from view. > [@](#): > > I do find **Tanaer** to be the most (or only) suspicious Player left. I will admit that, unfortunately, part of this is the meta-argument that Tanaer and Weedy’s personal friendship may have played a role in the strange Scum illusion, but re-reading old posts with fresh eyes, she does seem to be play-acting with helpful comments and wish to become Bard. Nice scum-coloured glasses there. How would I have acted if I’d been “real”? Sheesh. So sorry for trying to be helpful! > [@](#): > > (I’m bypassing **choie** for another meta-argument: Evil Scum might have avoided angry posts. :smack: ) > > **guiri** , have you drawn any conclusions from your tabulation of player actions? Go ahead and reveal mine if you wish. Is there any active player who has yet to report his or her actions? I’d also like to see the final table. Incidentally, I tried to guard myself Yesterday, as seen on others’ reports, and was told it wasn’t possible. It’s only for others. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2012, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3625 "2012-06-03T16:10:23Z")
**Pizza, why are there so many items up for grabs? And can you tell us who owned which item?** > [@The Rules](#): > > When you die, you retain the gold you had when you died; it cannot be stolen. However, the most valuable item you have will be put up for a vote the next day. Value is determined by a hidden table which tells how much each item is worth. Usually, the more powerful the item, the more it is worth. I’ll make an updated vote chart later this morning. ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2012, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3626 "2012-06-03T16:39:27Z")
Whoa. So **Weedy** was good after all, if the king is to be believed (and I don’t see why he shouldn’t… well, unless he is the illusion). I’m reminded of Theoden, once released from Saruman’s spell, returning to the noble king he truly was. I can’t tell if I’m surprised or not to see that **Storyteller910** was Evil. S/he lurked so much it was hard to get a read, though nothing s/he said was very helpful IIRC. I’m still in favor of the One Ring theory. No official scum team, just separate Evil Adventurers (third parties) out for blood and power, not necessarily in that order. Maybe **fubbles** was only neutral because he hadn’t participated enough to change his alignment. > [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > **Vote InnerStickler** > > Process of elimination… Why **Inner**? Unless you’re implying he killed **fubbles** in search of the object? (Actually I’m only assuming he was the one who killed **fubbles**. He was an assassin, self-admitted.) > [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > I thought **Inner** was resurrected and if that’s the case then he he should have come back just as good as he was when he died the first time. Not resurrected; he’s a sub. The revived folks are **Astral** , **Guiri** , and **Gadarene**. Unless you count **Mosier** , which I don’t, since he was brought back by the Dark One. > [@Tanaer](#): > > So we have 9 people left. > > Of those, 3 have been returned from the dead. Do we believe the demon, who implied that it wants the chance to kill the one responsible for its summoning? If so, then > **Gadarene** , \*\*Astral Rejection \*\*& **GuiriEnEspana** are cleared by implication. Not entirely true; the only one the Demon killed was **Guiri**. The other two were Town lynches. Not that I think it matters; if the demon wanted them dead I doubt their resurrections would have been successful. For example, see **Normal** , alas. > [@](#): > > Then we have the inner circle - **Silver Jan** , always a bit too reactionary, and **Choie** , voted class of 2012’s most likely to scum-play by overposting. And my suspicions of her are no longer tainted by Weedy’s taking up of my cause. > > And me, of course. Always handy to point a finger at. So posting too little is a scum tell, and posting too much is a scum tell. That’s a pretty handy guide you have there. I suppose your level of posting is _just right_, little bear? 🙂 _Oy veh is mir_, your insistence that you’re the official Parma scapegoat remains confusing and not a little wearying, because it’s just not true. You’ve never been at the slightest risk for lynching, have you? If so, please point it out – it’s entirely possible I’ve forgotten you being pushed toward the gallows. But if I’m right, why do you persist in maintaining this “poor misunderstood me” storyline that you’re the favored whipping boy/girl? If I were writing this I _would_ have you as the badd’un, because it suits my taste for dramatic irony – the best pal of the allegedly Evil person, so distraught and misunderstood, weeping crocodile tears for having trusted her BFF… and all the time s/he was the one holding the puppet strings. But I’m not the one writing this, and so I’m not convinced of it. Not going to vote **Tanaer** just because s/he was friends with **Weedy** ; I really don’t understand why **Weedy** ’s Evil-not-Evil switch affects the case on **Tanaer** – a case I haven’t seen yet, I don’t think. What I _do_ think is people are being way too quick to cast a vote only a few hours after Dawn. Can’t we talk things through a little rather than leaping to immediate judgment? I don’t get the certainty other people have. > [@](#): > > The end date seems ominous enough to be real - a real last chance. Last day, no more nights - is this how others understood it? So no more night actions. Is this a good time to come clean, with claims etc? > > Are there any double voters left? (Guiri? Do I remember you being one?) > Are there any white knights left? No idea whether we should be claiming yet, but to answer your other question, **Guiri** is a double-voter. So was the late **glee** (_Ave Atque Vale_, **glee** , at least in your death you got more info than anyone else thus far!). > [@septimus](#): > > It was Weedy herself, e.g. in #2033, who pointed out that a Mafia game with only a single scum is very unusual: no scum bussing or protecting fellow scum. Yet the latest EON post from Pizza makes it sound like there is only a single threat left. Really? I got the opposite impresion – that we were at LyLo, because we have only one more shot to get it right. If there’s only one more Day because there’s only one last threat, I don’t get it at all. There are nine of us left, why would just having one scum (or Evil person, my pet theory in mind) put as at LyLo? A single scum/evil person in control of Phere has four votes; we have six (including **Guiri** ’s extra vote). Even a mislynch puts us at 4 - 5. Am I miscalculating or misreading? > [@septimus](#): > > (I’m bypassing **choie** for another meta-argument: Evil Scum might have avoided angry posts. :smack: ) Heh. Fair enough, I deserve that. > [@septimus](#): > > **guiri** , have you drawn any conclusions from your tabulation of player actions? Go ahead and reveal mine if you wish. Is there any active player who has yet to report his or her actions? A good question. Actually I haven’t sent in my action from last Night to him, which won’t take long since unfortunately it was unsuccessful. Anyway, all that said. Now my thoughts. I’ve mentioned I implicitly trust **Silver** , **Astral** , and **Guiri**. Each knows why. I would have been dead long 'ere now if they weren’t kosher. I’m pretty certain about **Gadarene** too, since he also died Good. (Then again, if the king is to be believed and there’s an illusionist around, why can’t someone have “illusioned” himself to be good? This isn’t true just of **Gadarene** but of all the revivees. Except, as I said, I would be _shocked_ beyond belief if one of the above three is Evil/scum. Their behavior, or lack of it, makes no sense unless they have some ridiculous endgame plan involving me and my mad skillz. :rolleyes:) ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2012, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3627 "2012-06-03T16:48:08Z")
NETA something I just thought of after re-reading my own last paragraph. WARNING: totally bizarre theory coming up. Suddenly I find myself oddly afraid of **PetW**. The _only_ person whose alignment has been obscured, a fact about which we’ve spoken very little. Why is that? I’ve brought it up a couple of times but it feels like no one is interested in this really weird fact. Is it possible-- this is hopefully not totally making me sound bonkers – is it possible **PetW** ’s role is the Illusionist, and s/he isn’t really dead? I mean, the real-life player isn’t playing, obviously, but maybe the **PetW** _character_ only made it look like s/he was killed (perhaps to fool Phere… **PetW** wasn’t a lynch) and took over someone else’s persona, only pretending to be one of the remaining nine? If it _is_ a possibility, and at this point who the hell knows with someone who can create illusions, I want to look back and find anyone who either dismissed or changed the subject regarding **PetW** ’s lack of alignment reveal. ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2012, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3628 "2012-06-03T17:07:10Z")
Ooh sorry to triple post, maybe **Tanaer** has taken over me now! 🙂 Forgot about the object voting. **vote Emerald scepter to Silver Jan vote Teal Harp to Tanaer vote obsidian ring to choie vote Diamond pendant to Gadarene vote Green scepter to Astral** My reasoning: **Silver Jan** and **Astral** get the scepters because I know one of them was **fubbleskag** ’s and he used it for protection. I don’t think we know the color, but as long as one of **Silver Jan** or **Astral** get the protective scepter, that’s cool with me. I think they need and deserve it. IIRC the teal harp was given to **glee** , but **Tanaer** wanted it. I still think it makes the most sense to give the harp to the bard. Diamond pendant to **Gad** because I don’t think he has any other objects, as far as I remember. I’d vote it to **Guiri** already has a diamond object, I think. Obsidian ring to me because I like rings, and also since the object’s opposite my own element color I think it might be protective for me. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2012, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3629 "2012-06-03T18:20:27Z")
I wasn’t a town lynch, choie. gnarlycharlie killed me in the night. ---
**Author:** ![Tanaer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tanaer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tanaer)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2012, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3630 "2012-06-03T18:27:18Z")
> [@choie](#): > > So posting too little is a scum tell, and posting too much is a scum tell. That’s a pretty handy guide you have there. I suppose your level of posting is _just right_, little bear? 🙂 er, huh? I read & reread what I wrote and can’t see any comment I made on posting too little there. I’m sorry you read me wrong there Choie. I wasn’t saying you post too much - the prevailing view seems to be that scum will tend to write/post less & I’m saying as a writer you’re more likely than most to react to being scum by writing a lot rather than a little. Fiction’s not going to bother you so much. > [@](#): > > _Oy veh is mir_, your insistence that you’re the official Parma scapegoat remains confusing and not a little wearying, because it’s just not true. You’ve never been at the slightest risk for lynching, have you? If so, please point it out – it’s entirely possible I’ve forgotten you being pushed toward the gallows. But if I’m right, why do you persist in maintaining this “poor misunderstood me” storyline that you’re the favored whipping boy/girl? Well, sweetness, I’ve seen you react when people suspect you too. It was talking about them pointing at me.. the finger of suspicion.. you’ve heard of that, right? Why does it seem so odd that, when the only posts in front of me at that time of the Morning (and particularly at that time of RL day) had done a quick flip in favour of voting me, I felt a bit of a slide toward me. I think if you look that’s happened a couple of times because the people I’m interacting with are Septimus & SJ, because they’re around (when I’m checking in before sleep). Unlike now, which is because I woke in the middle of the night, and reacted to your barbs. That’s what they were for, right? To provoke? Good job. > [@](#): > > If I were writing this I _would_ have you as the badd’un, because it suits my taste for dramatic irony – the best pal of the allegedly Evil person, so distraught and misunderstood, weeping crocodile tears for having trusted her BFF… and all the time s/he was the one holding the puppet strings. > > But I’m not the one writing this, and so I’m not convinced of it. Not going to vote **Tanaer** just because s/he was friends with **Weedy** ; I really don’t understand why **Weedy** ’s Evil-not-Evil switch affects the case on **Tanaer** – a case I haven’t seen yet, I don’t think. holy crap, Choie. Smudge, much? > [@](#): > > What I _do_ think is people are being way too quick to cast a vote only a few hours after Dawn. Can’t we talk things through a little rather than leaping to immediate judgment? I don’t get the certainty other people have. speaking only for myself, I voted early because I had the impression that it was the culture here to vote when suspicious. I am about to slam headfirst with little sleep into the last week of term at school. God only knows what time I’ll have from here. > [@](#): > > Really? I got the opposite impresion – that we were at LyLo, because we have only one more shot to get it right. If there’s only one more Day because there’s only one last threat, I don’t get it at all. There are nine of us left, why would just having one scum (or Evil person, my pet theory in mind) put as at LyLo? A single scum/evil person in control of Phere has four votes; we have six (including **Guiri** ’s extra vote). Even a mislynch puts us at 4 - 5. Am I miscalculating or misreading? OK I know it’s against your cabal rules to entertain such things, but if it was Guiri then the numbers would look a tad different. > [@choie](#): > > Ooh sorry to triple post, maybe **Tanaer** has taken over me now! 🙂 Choie, I’ve seen you do this with others, and now you’re doing it with me again. Are you actually labouring under the impression that these little pot-shots are more palatable than the behaviours of others you like to moan about? ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2012, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3631 "2012-06-03T18:34:27Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > **Pizza, why are there so many items up for grabs? And can you tell us who owned which item?** > > I’ll make an updated vote chart later this morning. All of those items are unique, meaning they are valuable. Losing them would have an impact on game balance. Sure, Glee had the Teal harp Fubbleskag had the Green Scepter and Diamond Pendant Scathach had the Emerald Scepter Storyteller had the Obsidian Ring ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2012, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3632 "2012-06-03T18:36:27Z")
Also, you all can hold whatever number of items you wish for the remainder of the game. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2012, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3633 "2012-06-03T18:41:59Z")
I nailed fubbles being neutral from the getgo, btw. Thanks again to Toejam for that. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2012, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3634 "2012-06-03T18:51:38Z")
After the reveal about\*\* Inner\*\*, I think I should follow **guiri** ’s lead but like **choie** said, we stilll have a few days to go. **Unvote Tanaer** **Tanaer** , you are right, I haven’t totally trusted you and I can’t see why I haven’t. I jumped on you so quickly when I thought “aha, I got ya”, it’s nothing personal at all. I haven’t said what my night actions have been and I don’t feel inclined to reveal them, so far as to say I haven’t attacked anyone. Hint…you think 🙂 I have attacked Lord Phere a couple of times during the Day and that’s about it. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2012, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3635 "2012-06-03T19:00:26Z")
I forgot to vote items. \*\*Vote Obsidian Ring to choie Vote Emerald Scepter to Silver Jan Vote Green Scepter to Astral Vote Diamond Pendant to Gaderene Vote Teal Harp to LightFoot \*\* I really fancy the emerald because I live in Emerald rd 🙂 The rest of the items I have voted to people I trust. I also trust **guiri** 🙂 so I am sorry there aren’t anymore items to vote for. It looks as if someone else trust **LightFoot** unless she did it herself. ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2012, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3636 "2012-06-03T19:18:18Z")
> [@Gadarene](#): > > I wasn’t a town lynch, choie. gnarlycharlie killed me in the night. Oh crap, sorry. Then since **gnarlycharlie** was neutral… Well, that still causes a problem, but only if we’re assuming that people **Phere** didn’t kill but were resurrected still count as suspects. Which I’m not sure about. > [@Tanaer](#): > > er, huh? I read & reread what I wrote and can’t see any comment I made on posting too little there. I’m sorry you read me wrong there Choie. I wasn’t saying you post too much - the prevailing view seems to be that scum will tend to write/post less & I’m saying as a writer you’re more likely than most to react to being scum by writing a lot rather than a little. Fiction’s not going to bother you so much. No, that’s exactly what I meant; everyone says scum tend to post too little, and you’re saying if I were scum I’d probably post too much. Except honestly? I post this much all the time. Not just in Mafia (I hardly think two games are enough of a pattern so I don’t expect you to get meta on that) but truth is, I’m wordy. Do a search for my SDMB posts in general, you’ll probably find like 10% that don’t have a minimum of three paragraphs. 🙂 > [@Tanaer](#): > > Well, sweetness, I’ve seen you react when people suspect you too. Yes, but I don’t claim that _everyone_ is out to get me, which you’ve done a few times. (Now you’ve even called it a “cabal,” for pity’s sake. What’s next, are we gonna be equated to the Bilderberg Group?) I’m actually not surprised you’re feeling attacked now, because out of nowhere the people who’ve voted right out of the gate have already turned against you (and as I said I don’t understand why – though for some reason you call it a smudge when I say I don’t see a case against you, which… is weird). But my point is, I just don’t see a _game-long pattern_ of this mob going after you, which is what you’ve been implying several times. **Gadarene** , who was very nearly lynched, and **Astral** … now _they_ could make a case for being the whipping boys. One person ( **Silver Jan** , I gather?) may have repeatedly voted for you, but that doth not a pattern make. > [@](#): > > Unlike now, which is because I woke in the middle of the night, and reacted to your barbs. That’s what they were for, right? To provoke? Good job. No, I’m trying to get you to stop seeing things through the lens of a victim. You’ve done it a few times and again, unless you actually got down to the wire as a runner-up lynch candidate, you’ve been perfectly safe! You’re seeing victimization where it’s not warranted. Two people out of nine on the very early hours of Dawn are not a wagon you need to worry about. Far as I can recall you’ve _never had a wagon on you_, is what I’m trying to say, and yet you keep acting as if you _have_. That’s the POV I don’t understand. > [@](#): > > holy crap, Choie. Smudge, much? Yeah! How _dare_ I say that there’s no case on you! What an utter bitch would wonder why associating with **Weedy** , now known to be good, is making others see you in a new scummy light? Bad **choie**! Bad, smudgy **choie**! If you’re referring to the scummy idea I’d write for you, who cares? I can concoct one of those for everyone in the game, and it hardly takes a genius at the game (or a fiction writer) to do that. I’m not the moderator so who gives a shit? > [@tanaer](#): > > OK I know it’s against your cabal rules to entertain such things, but if it was Guiri then the numbers would look a tad different. “Cabal.” Jesus, that just cracks. me. up. Alex Jones as a Mafia player, who knew? Now, you and whoever is on your side – I guess earlier that would’ve been **Weedy** – you, of course, are _not_ a cabal, right? You’re just a pair or group of players who feel similarly? Just wanna get our definitions straight. In any event your logic is way off, for this reason: if **Guiri** were guilty – and I think he’s the resurectee who’s the absolute _least_ likely to be “it” because Phere already killed him but wasn’t satisfied – _then we’d already have lost the game._ Because between his two votes, and the mysterious three-vote add-on, we’d be at 5 - 4, and the game would already be lost. Q.E.D. **Guiri** can_not_ be the Summonor. In fact _any_ two-vote person can’t be the Summoner. > [@](#): > > Choie, I’ve seen you do this with others, and now you’re doing it with me again. Are you actually labouring under the impression that these little pot-shots are more palatable than the behaviours of others you like to moan about? Gadzooks, it was rather light joke remarking on your tendency to multi-post, which is a pretty mild offense. It wasn’t pretending you were guilty and the game was over (as **Guiri** did to me) or continually insulting the moderator, or poking and bitching about something and not letting it go… Although actually, you are starting to move into that last slot. For fuck’s sake, girl, I _didn’t think you’re scum_. I don’t understand **septimus** and **Silver Jan** ’s cases against you. I don’t understand why **Weedy** being good means you’re scum. As I said, if I were creating a screenplay, sure, I could see it, but _in the game_, with respect, I don’t really think you’d be well-suited to playing my hypothetical Sychophantic Evil Genius Betraying Friend role. Can I be any clearer? (Now watch her be unmasked as the ultimate villain.) ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2012, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3637 "2012-06-03T19:39:53Z")
OK!, That was a bit heavy but… I have no idea were to go to from here, **Tanaer** did make a point of distancing herself from **Weedy** when\*\* Weedy \*\*was thought to be scum. Probably a normal reaction if you are Town. Oh\*\* Tanaer\*\*, if you want to see a really good post from\*\* choie\*\*, it was in a game when we were both roleblockers, except I was scum and she totally defeated me with her words. ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2012, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3638 "2012-06-03T20:06:58Z")
> [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > OK!, That was a bit heavy but… > > I have no idea were to go to from here, **Tanaer** did make a point of distancing herself from **Weedy** when\*\* Weedy \*\*was thought to be scum. Probably a normal reaction if you are Town. Absolutely. I mean yeah, it makes sense too if you’re bussing, but she didn’t bus beforehand, when it would’ve been natural. It’s rather WIFOMy. But other than that, what is it that pings you about her? I feel very slow because I’m not seeing what you and **septimus** saw. Though it sounds like you’re doubting it now, so I guess maybe it’s just **septimus** I’d like to hear from. > [@](#): > > Oh\*\* Tanaer\*\*, if you want to see a really good post from\*\* choie\*\*, it was in a game when we were both roleblockers, except I was scum and she totally defeated me with her words. Heh. That’s very sweet of you to say! It was only my second game, my first power role, and here you’d role-claimed a role I actually had! I was totally champing at the bit. And best of all I’d been scrupulous to breadcrumb my actions through secret messages in my posts. I like word puzzles. (But even so, it was hardly a wipeout–people bought your story pretty well. If only those commas hadn’t been misplaced in your cover role! Punctuation: the silent killer.) ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2012, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3639 "2012-06-03T20:10:57Z")
> [@Tanaer](#): > > So we have 9 people left. > > Of those, 3 have been returned from the dead. Do we believe the demon, who implied that it wants the chance to kill the one responsible for its summoning? If so, then > **Gadarene** , \*\*Astral Rejection \*\*& **GuiriEnEspana** are cleared by implication. > > Then we have the inner circle - **Silver Jan** , always a bit too reactionary, and **Choie** , voted class of 2012’s most likely to scum-play by overposting. And my suspicions of her are no longer tainted by Weedy’s taking up of my cause. > > And me, of course. Always handy to point a finger at. > > Then the mysterious 3 - I don’t really have a great handle on **septimus** , **Lightfoot** & **Inner**. Obviously I should try to read them somehow. {I hope I don’t let you guys down. I was predicting today that this game would end this week, because it’s my last week of semester, the absolute busiest one, and next week I’d have actual time.} > > The end date seems ominous enough to be real - a real last chance. Last day, no more nights - is this how others understood it? So no more night actions. Is this a good time to come clean, with claims etc? > > Are there any double voters left? (Guiri? Do I remember you being one?) > Are there any white knights left? I am not too happy about your thoughts on the “inner circle”, why did you say that? You could just have easily PM’d any of us and got in on the chat. I have never heard from you, don’t know whether choie has. Normal PM’d me right at the start, I think it was D2 and choie did not long after that. During the game we have been loyal to each other and yes, one of us could have lied but lying in a PM seems worse than lying in game. I found that out with Visor (no hard feelings mate). The only way I know the people that I was sending PM"s to was through the game. LightFoot and I are friends on Facebook and she doesn’t trust anyone. So there is no inner circle of people, only people that have trusted me and I have earned their trust and vice versa. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2012, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3640 "2012-06-03T20:15:09Z")
> [@choie](#): > > Absolutely. I mean yeah, it makes sense too if you’re bussing, but she didn’t bus beforehand, when it would’ve been natural. It’s rather WIFOMy. But other than that, what is it that pings you about her? I feel very slow because I’m not seeing what you and **septimus** saw. Though it sounds like you’re doubting it now, so I guess maybe it’s just **septimus** I’d like to hear from. > > Heh. That’s very sweet of you to say! It was only my second game, my first power role, and here you’d role-claimed a role I actually had! I was totally champing at the bit. And best of all I’d been scrupulous to breadcrumb my actions through secret messages in my posts. I like word puzzles. (But even so, it was hardly a wipeout–people bought your story pretty well. If only those commas hadn’t been misplaced in your cover role! Punctuation: the silent killer.) The worst of it is, the comma’s weren’t mine lol, all the scum team fixed it hehe, Yeh let’s eat grandma, ooops, let’s eat, grandma! ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2012, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3641 "2012-06-03T20:21:06Z")
> [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > I am not too happy about your thoughts on the “inner circle”, why did you say that? Plus, “inner circle” is an impossibility with only two people, isn’t it? Unless my geometry is off, surely the most you can get is an “inner line.” I’m almost 100% I never contacted anyone via PM first, though. I’m on record many, many times as dislike the PM mechanic, and only was drawn slowly into it about halfway through the game, and regularly it was only with … let’s see, I think at most it was two different people (including you, **Silver Jan** ). And we’ve spent much of the time talking about ebooks. 😃 As I said, early on in the game I wasn’t responding at all, but later on I began answering simple questions people would put to me. But I’m pretty sure that (unlike others who asked things of me) I _never_ tried to wheedle info out of anyone. It may be ridiculously traditional of me\* but I’m leery of people seeking info privately, and I’ve abided by that dogma in not doing so with others. I’d rather ask people in public so answers are given “on the record,” so to speak. If that makes me part of a cabal, so be it. - if one can have a tradition with only two games under your belt [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480.md?page=181) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480.md?page=183)