# \[Mafia game\] The Realm of Phere **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 1, 2012, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480 "2012-04-01T15:04:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 183
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2012, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3642 "2012-06-03T20:44:39Z")
Townie Leans Astral Guiri Silver Jan septimus No Particular Lean choie Lightfoot Tanaer Self-Admitted Non-Townie Inner Stickler **Vote Inner Stickler** Oh, and Tanaer: I tracked you last night. Thoughts on that? ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2012, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3643 "2012-06-03T20:48:05Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Second, I did send guiri my list of actions and don’t know why he thinks I’m lying. Septimus, please tell us your current game alignment and wincon. Are you TOWN or NEUTRAL who can win with town? Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2012, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3644 "2012-06-03T20:51:42Z")
> [@choie](#): > > Plus, “inner circle” is an impossibility with only two people, isn’t it? Unless my geometry is off, surely the most you can get is an “inner line.” > > I’m almost 100% I never contacted anyone via PM first, though. I’m on record many, many times as dislike the PM mechanic, and only was drawn slowly into it about halfway through the game, and regularly it was only with … let’s see, I think at most it was two different people (including you, **Silver Jan** ). And we’ve spent much of the time talking about ebooks. 😃 > > As I said, early on in the game I wasn’t responding at all, but later on I began answering simple questions people would put to me. But I’m pretty sure that (unlike others who asked things of me) I _never_ tried to wheedle info out of anyone. It may be ridiculously traditional of me\* but I’m leery of people seeking info privately, and I’ve abided by that dogma in not doing so with others. I’d rather ask people in public so answers are given “on the record,” so to speak. > > If that makes me part of a cabal, so be it. > > - if one can have a tradition with only two games under your belt Sorry **choie** we seem to have a circular tradition that consists of you and me. I let **LightFoot** down when I said I thought Visor was trustworthy, especially when he voted for who I said we were going to vote for, hmm, he knew we were going to vote for Town. Good thing that my 3rd and last PM to him was all about Australia 🙂 Why has LightFoot been cleared btw? When I spoke to her I said I could’nt lie on FB and she said “just put on your game face”. Am I being too paranoid here? ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2012, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3645 "2012-06-03T20:54:25Z")
> [@Scathach](#): > > Day 1 I attacked Lightfoot (probably obvious since I was the only one voting her that day). Choie, did you and scathach ever sort out who attacked lightfoot on Day 1? ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2012, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3646 "2012-06-03T20:59:22Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > I started law: lawfull > moral: good > > to advance ( well I thought it was advancing) I had to attain one neutral. > It is my assumption that I changed law: neutral But without a full new role I’m not positive Did your goals in the game change? Do you have an either/or wincon? ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2012, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3647 "2012-06-03T21:00:23Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > **Question for everyone: one of you owns a green staff. Who is it?** Did anyone ever answer? Why did you want to know? ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2012, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3648 "2012-06-03T21:02:49Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > If there was fame or fortune at stake I’d definitely want to switch back to Good alignment since _Town wins_ is obviously easier to achieve than _Town wins AND I survive_. (There is an alternate Neutral win objective – Most wealth – but being neither a Thief nor a popularity contest winner, it’s not a real option for me.) Sorry, Septimus did claim to have the neutral wincon. I was wondering how the number of living neutrals affects the endgame status. ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2012, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3649 "2012-06-03T21:04:47Z")
> [@Tanaer](#): > > Scathach, how exactly is killing you not going to advance our win condition? Clearly, you aren’t a templar knight. If you’re going to flip chaotic evil then you’re much more likely a terror knight, and that _very definitely_ makes you a threat to town because you have a kill! I know because I could see it while I was berserker. Could you explain this comment in more detail please? ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2012, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3650 "2012-06-03T21:08:07Z")
Has anyone gone back to examine Story and Scathach’s posts in light of the knowledge that they were probably scum? ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2012, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3651 "2012-06-03T21:09:09Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > Sorry, Septimus did claim to have the neutral wincon. I was wondering how the number of living neutrals affects the endgame status. Just to let you know, my Survival is optional as long as no further threats to Town exist. I gather that means I’m Town, especially as it says I’m Town. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2012, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3652 "2012-06-03T21:11:22Z")
> [@Gadarene](#): > > Has anyone gone back to examine Story and Scathach’s posts in light of the knowledge that they were probably scum? No, but I didn’t trust Story and I wanted to lynch him toDay. It’s late and I will read tomorrow. ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2012, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3653 "2012-06-03T21:12:35Z")
> [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > Sorry **choie** we seem to have a circular tradition that consists of you and me. I let **LightFoot** down when I said I thought Visor was trustworthy, especially when he voted for who I said we were going to vote for, hmm, he knew we were going to vote for Town. Good thing that my 3rd and last PM to him was all about Australia 🙂 > > Why has LightFoot been cleared btw? When I spoke to her I said I could’nt lie on FB and she said “just put on your game face”. Am I being too paranoid here? _Has_ **LightFoot** been cleared? By whom? I honestly don’t get any reading from her, though after I think you’d shared some of my info with her and we were getting along and all, she stopped trusting me. Crapples, I don’t remember what happened, but I think it was because I voted for someone she didn’t, or vice versa? After that she basically did a 180 and snapped the equivalent of, “That’s it, I don’t trust you anymore” and that was the end of our conviviality. I wouldn’t say I’ve cleared her, I’m just trying not to label someone as scum when they distrust me. (For obvious example: **Gadarene**.) There’s gotta be more than that. > [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > Choie, did you and scathach ever sort out who attacked lightfoot on Day 1? Well, in so much as she lied and I told the truth. I attacked LightFoot Day One with my petty 25hp attack. As Michael Scott would say: “BAM! Sorted.” Haven’t touched her since, though, unless my memory is off and I healed her at some point (I don’t think so, though, and last Night’s heal was definitely not me). I only had one action that I wanted to perform last Night–an action that demands my full attention, shall we say (meaning I can’t perform other actions while doing it)–and unfortunately, it wasn’t successful. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2012, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3654 "2012-06-03T21:16:07Z")
I almost decided to track you, choie. I wonder what I would have learned. ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2012, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3655 "2012-06-03T21:20:21Z")
> [@Gadarene](#): > > Oh, and Tanaer: I tracked you last night. Thoughts on that? Ooh I almost missed this. I have two reactions: 1. It’s crying out for a “dun dun DUNNN!” musical sting 2. Why did you track **Tanaer** Re: **Astral** ’s wondering where his green staff went (sounds like a question a leper might ask): > [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > Did anyone ever answer? Why did you want to know? I don’t think anyone did answer and I’m glad you asked this, because I’d forgotten all about it. The fact that all those objects were dropped and the staff is _still_ missing indicates that someone is hiding the truth from **Astral** for some reason, and presumably a nefarious one. (Otherwise why lie? Oh, okay, one reason: not trusting **Astral**.) ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2012, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3656 "2012-06-03T21:20:50Z")
> [@choie](#): > > Why **Inner**? Unless you’re implying he killed **fubbles** in search of the object? (Actually I’m only assuming he was the one who killed **fubbles**. He was an assassin, self-admitted.) I got nothing for killing fubbleskag except a sense of accomplishment. Guiri, I imagine Fubble’s green scepter was the answer Astral was looking for. Gadarene, what more must I do to make you love me?☹ I tried to kill Scathach for Normal and when it seemed like the will of the players was against fubbleskag, I took him out. I don’t know what more I can do to show you where my alliance lies. All I know is that since I can win when all the threats to town are gone, I must not be a threat to town. Since no one moved against me in the night, I will relax and state that right now, my plan is to assassinate the lynch runner up Tonight unless I am the runner up in which case the third place player will be my target. If, you come to a consensus as to a better target for me, I will be more than happy to eliminate them for you. I see no reason not to give town two bites at the apple. ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2012, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3657 "2012-06-03T21:23:17Z")
> [@Tanaer](#): > > Is this a good time to come clean, with claims etc? Come clean? Didn’t you already claim your class changes and Day/Night actions? > [@Tanaer](#): > > Are there any double voters left? (Guiri? Do I remember you being one?) > Are there any white knights left? Double voters, yes, me. White Knights, why do you ask? Weird. ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2012, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3658 "2012-06-03T21:24:53Z")
> [@Gadarene](#): > > I almost decided to track you, choie. I wonder what I would have learned. Not a blessed thing except my failure to accomplish my normal objective. But I don’t think that would’ve shown up. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2012, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3659 "2012-06-03T21:29:47Z")
> [@choie](#): > > Ooh I almost missed this. I have two reactions: > > 1. It’s crying out for a “dun dun DUNNN!” musical sting > 2. Why did you track **Tanaer** She’s someone I didn’t have a Town lean on, so I thought I’d see what I could see. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2012, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3660 "2012-06-03T21:31:21Z")
I don’t want to give a totally wrong impression of LightFoot, she has PM’d me later and asked if I was truly Town and I think I trust her ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2012, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3661 "2012-06-03T21:33:33Z")
To respond to \*\* choie \*\* I attempted a few Pm conversations. the response that you had to a post in game of mine set my teeth on edge and I decided to close up shop on entertaining outside trust conversations.= not that anyone has really tried to open conversations with me anyway=except septimus sharing his actions. Anything I’m willing to share in private might just as well be public. ( 'specially in this game where we had a minimum of information in the reveals and such) I have no idea who the bad guys are and if I’m willing to share info with anyone it may as well be all. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480.md?page=182) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480.md?page=184)