# \[Mafia game\] The Realm of Phere **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 1, 2012, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480 "2012-04-01T15:04:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 186
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3702 "2012-06-05T01:48:08Z")
> [@choie](#): > > . > > On a different note, frankly I find it fascinating and highly scummalicious that every time I mention **PetW** and his _utterly unique_ reveal, someone changes the subject and no one seems even willing to consider this topic. In fact none of my theories are ever discussed. I suppose it’s quite likely I just suck at theorizing, and also, see above about the fact that I’m obnoxious and disliked (but hey, so was John Adams which puts me in good company). But other people’s wacko ideas are entertained, why am I the town Cassandra? > > Remember your mythology, people: ol’ Cassie was _right_. Because, if your hypothesis is true, there’s not much we can do about it but lynch other players, which we’re going to do anyway. Now, if you happened to know that a player was purposefully clouding their alignment from investigators or somesuch, that would be interesting and worth discussing. Right now, you’ve posited an intriguing story twist without explaining how we could test it via the game. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3703 "2012-06-05T01:49:21Z")
NETA: Take comfort in the fact that lack of discussion mean people find your supposition plausible else they’d take you to task for it. ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3704 "2012-06-05T01:53:57Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Because, if your hypothesis is true, there’s not much we can do about it but lynch other players, which we’re going to do anyway. Now, if you happened to know that a player was purposefully clouding their alignment from investigators or somesuch, that would be interesting and worth discussing. Right now, you’ve posited an intriguing story twist without explaining how we could test it via the game. Hmm. Okay, that’s fair enough. I guess I just want to figure out the _plot_ of this game, and was thinking that hashing things out might jiggle someone’s mind grapes so that some pattern emerges, and maybe that would lead to… something resembling anything. > [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > NETA: Take comfort in the fact that lack of discussion mean people find your supposition plausible else they’d take you to task for it. Hee. Dayum, I guess my suppositions have been _staggeringly_ plausible considering the black hole of silence I receive as a result of 'em. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3705 "2012-06-05T01:57:53Z")
**Inner Stickler** , did you ever PM Askthepizzaguy to find out what actions realitytrip took before you assumed his role? ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3706 "2012-06-05T02:02:29Z")
Heh, no. The original PM said that he’d already taken 3 chaotic/evil actions and I figured if ATPG wanted me to know more, he’d have said as much then. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3707 "2012-06-05T02:03:32Z")
> [@choie](#): > > Hee. Dayum, I guess my suppositions have been _staggeringly_ plausible considering the black hole of silence I receive as a result of 'em. 😃 It may be a delusion, but it’s a delusion that’s saved my sanity. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3708 "2012-06-05T02:06:03Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Heh, no. The original PM said that he’d already taken 3 chaotic/evil actions and I figured if ATPG wanted me to know more, he’d have said as much then. So… you weren’t even curious? Why were you so concerned about what realitytrip had been PMing people, if you didn’t actually care what he’d been doing? ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3709 "2012-06-05T02:08:36Z")
Also, didn’t you say you were going to do it? Why didn’t you mention you were told realitytrip performed 3 chaotic/evil actions when I asked before? > [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > PM Pizza and see if he’ll fill you in. > [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Ok, well while we wait for that answer on _does math_ Tuesday, was there anything else you wanted to know? ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3710 "2012-06-05T02:10:04Z")
Well, it seemed like the other players might have a faster response time than ATPG, I’d already asked several questions of ATPG in my first incarnation and as a dead player and basically been told if he wanted me to know he’d have told me and finally, since realitytrip apparently claimed to be attacking visor, it seemed plausible that his three actions were attacking visor every day. But what he’d been sending via PM to other players is not something I can as easily determine via the little gray cells. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3711 "2012-06-05T02:12:10Z")
I’m still not asking for what realitytrip was PMing about. I want to know what actions you took. You said you would PM Pizza. You never informed town that you had decided not to after saying you would. You had information about your actions that you did not share when directly asked, and implied you knew nothing about what realitytrip was doing. Are you seeing the issue here? ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3712 "2012-06-05T02:12:12Z")
Because it didn’t seem like at the time it was going to help any. (Not that I expect it to do any better right now.) ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3713 "2012-06-05T02:18:38Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > I’m still not asking for what realitytrip was PMing about. I want to know what actions you took. Hold the phone, Ethel. You asked why I was so concerned about what RT was PMing people about and I answered that: because I don’t know realitytrip and I don’t know what he would have thought was worth sharing or if he made stuff up or what. Don’t get snippy with me when I try to answer the questions you ask. > [@](#): > > Are you seeing the issue here? Yeah, you have a severe humor deficiency and a poor memory. Besides, lying by omission isn’t really lying and everyone, town and scum alike does it. Just because everyone thinks you’re the second coming of christ doesn’t mean I have any faith in you and I’m perfectly happy to be mislynched just to spite you if you don’t cut the 'tude. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3714 "2012-06-05T02:18:55Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > If my notes are correct, these are the attacks on **Visorshash** : > > Day 1 - 0 HP (unspecified attack, protected by Inner Stickler, who took 75 HP damage) > Day 1 - 100 HP (magical orb) > > Night 1 - 100 HP (physical attack) > > Day 2 - 50 HP (physical attack by Lord Phere) > Day 2 - 100 HP (magical orb) > Day 2 - 150 HP (physical attack) > Night 2 - 100 HP (unspecified attack) > > **Normal** , > > Can you say with any certainty which of these attacks \*\*realitytrip \*\*is taking credit for? Normal said they were all realitytrip’s attacks. > [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > I haven’t the foggiest. When I received the role, it was a ninja which had no kill powers. Just a watch action. Since he describes doing damage in his PMs to Normal, I can only assume he changed classes or was bluffing. You say you think realitytrip was bluffing or changing classes when he claims doing damage. Except… > [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Heh, no. The original PM said that he’d already taken 3 chaotic/evil actions and I figured if ATPG wanted me to know more, he’d have said as much then. You actually knew at least some of those actions were for real. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3715 "2012-06-05T02:21:20Z")
Oops, bad quote. These were realitytrip’s attacks: Day 1 - 0 HP (unspecified attack, protected by Inner Stickler, who took 75 HP damage) Night 1 - 100 HP (physical attack) Day 2 - 150 HP (physical attack) ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3716 "2012-06-05T02:23:07Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > Normal said they were all realitytrip’s attacks. > > You say you think realitytrip was bluffing or changing classes when he claims doing damage. Except… > > You actually knew at least some of those actions were for real. Yes, changed classes in between performing the attacks and giving the role up to me. If he was doing damage, it was with a non-Ninja role. Since when I got the role, he was a ninja, he would have had to change classes. Or, he had some other role and was bluffing about doing damage but was capable of performing chaotic/evil actions still. Perhaps there are C/E things that don’t involve damage. Thievery might be one. I don’t know, I never had a thief role. Please don’t ever become a prosecutor. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3717 "2012-06-05T02:30:00Z")
I don’t understand your anger. Did you or did you not lie about or omit information you had? If the answer is “yes,” how on earth can you be so pissed off that somebody’s daring to ask you about it? ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3718 "2012-06-05T02:33:20Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Just because everyone thinks you’re the second coming of christ doesn’t mean I have any faith in you and I’m perfectly happy to be mislynched just to spite you if you don’t cut the 'tude. Well, he _did_ die and was risen. But I think **Gadarene** is a better option here; **Astral** came back the very Night he was lynched. **Gadarene** followed Christ’s path a little more closely, making us wait for the good news. 🙂 Also, surely you don’t mean that you’re willing to be mislynched, **Inner**. If we really are at LyLo then you’ll be cutting off your nose to spite the entire Town. (I’m just happy to _not_ be in one of these slap fights for a change! Yay!) ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3719 "2012-06-05T02:33:42Z")
I just looked at the posts and frankly, I don’t think I even omitted anything. You asked if I’d received a list of actions performed. I had not. I received a list of number and type, but not the specific actions. If you wanted that info, perhaps you should have been more specific. And I’m not angry about being asked about it. I’m angry about the douchey “Are you seeing the issue, here” as if I were a recalcitrant 6th grader. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3720 "2012-06-05T02:36:45Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Since when I got the role, he was a ninja, he would have had to change classes. Or, he had some other role and was bluffing about doing damage but was capable of performing chaotic/evil actions still. Perhaps there are C/E things that don’t involve damage. Thievery might be one. I don’t know, I never had a thief role. Please don’t ever become a prosecutor. This is what is killing me. A player interested in advancing town’s knowledge and solving the game _would be interested in figuring this out._ Would it be in town’s benefit to find out what those hypothetical chaotic/evil actions might be? Would it be to town’s benefit to find out what thievery is? Would it be to town’s benefit to know definitively what your predecessor did, so that we can narrow down suspects for other actions? **Yes.** And I don’t see how a town-aligned player has no interest in this information at all. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3721 "2012-06-05T02:36:53Z")
> [@choie](#): > > Also, surely you don’t mean that you’re willing to be mislynched, **Inner**. If we really are at LyLo then you’ll be cutting off your nose to spite the entire Town. I don’t think we’re at lylo and Storyteller died, so I think even if we were, we have some breathing room again. > [@](#): > > (I’m just happy to _not_ be in one of these slap fights for a change! Yay!) Someone better warn Astral that I only [slap slap kiss](http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SlapSlapKiss)! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480.md?page=185) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480.md?page=187)