# \[Mafia game\] The Realm of Phere **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 1, 2012, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480 "2012-04-01T15:04:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 190
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3782 "2012-06-05T22:01:07Z")
> [@choie](#): > > **LightFoot** , are you getting this from a message from **pizza** , or are you taking this from the color at the end of last Night, and his entitling this “The Last Day”? Which is understandable conjecture but **pizza** does tend to use melodramatic titles and song titles and so on. It might not be literal. I Pm’d Pizza to see if I could own any more items. he responded that he was not going to be picky on the last day I barely read the colour and I certainly don’t draw major conclusions from it. ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3783 "2012-06-05T22:04:15Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > In my earlier Vote on Astral, I wrote five “bullets” as part of the case. (The 5th bullet was an afterthought, that might have been silly since some won’t understand the point.) > It’s interesting that, of these charges, Astral chose to address only the 5th, afterthought, bullet. Here, I’ll comment on one of them, for Septimus’ reference, note the use of “reluctantly they were forced to conclude” in the first several write ups, the reluctanly drops later while “forced to conclude” remains: > [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > Upon inspection of his remains, they noticed that \*\*Mosier \*\*seemed to be dressed like an ordinary **Soldier** , and there was nothing sinister about him. Reluctantly, they were forced to conclude that a **Good** Adventurer was sent to his untimely demise. > [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > Upon inspection of his remains, they noticed that \*\*Glee \*\*seemed to be dressed like an ordinary **Soldier** , and there was nothing sinister about him. Reluctantly, they were forced to conclude that a **Good** Adventurer was slain. > [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > There was nothing left of **Inner Stickler** , so they searched his quarters, or what was left of them. Upon inspection of his journal, they concluded that Inner Stickler was an ordinary **Soldier** , and there was nothing sinister about him. Another \*\*Good \*\*Adventurer was slain. > [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > Upon inspection of his remains, they noticed that\*\* Astral Rejection \*\*seemed to be dressed like an ordinary **Archer** , and there was nothing sinister about him. Reluctantly, they were forced to conclude that a **Good** Adventurer was slain. > [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > Upon inspection of his remains, they noticed that\*\* GuiriEnEspana \*\*seemed to be dressed like a **White Mage**. They were fairly certain that this man, whoever he was, was trying to do **Good**. > [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > Upon inspection of **MHaye** ’s remains, they found that he was dressed in dark robes, and had a number of scrolls with invocations written on them. He seemed to be a mage of some kind, probably a **Black Mage** , capable of creating basic offensive spells of the various elements. > > Simply being a wielder of Black magic does not make one evil in this world. And with no other evidence against him, they were forced to conclude that MHaye was sent to an untimely death, and was a **Good Adventurer.** > [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > Upon inspection of **Gadarene** ’s remains, they found that he was a skilled hunter, tracker, and woodsman. A skilled Adventurer indeed, he was a **Ranger**. > > Although it was apparent he’d been in a few scrapes, they couldn’t find anything sinister about him, so they were forced to conclude that he was a \*\*Good Adventurer.[COLOR=Indigo] > \*\*[/COLOR] > [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > Upon inspection of **BobArrgh** ’s remains, they found that he was lightly armored and built for battle, wielding the sorts of weapons that one might use against very, very large enemies. He was a\*\* Dragon Slayer.\*\* > > They inspected his living quarters and could find nothing incriminating. It seemed like a **Good Adventurer** was slain in the course of battle with that demonic monster. > [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > \*\*Mahaloth \*\*was a bloody mess when they found him. He was dressed as a **Mage**. His living quarters showed nothing unusual. They concluded he was a **Good Adventurer,** if not a particularly active one. > [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > They took a careful look at **Mosier** ’s remains, which had finally finished twitching. It seems that he had finished polishing off his own brains, and died after swallowing the last bite. He seemed to have gathered some armor, likely taken from the bodies of the dead, and was now dressed as a **Knight**. > > Still, there was nothing about him which indicated that he was behind their misfortunes, other than his penchant for snacking on human brains. Indeed, he looked just as much an innocent victim as he did the last time he was slain. They were forced to conclude that he was an honest, decent, hungry, and brainless… **Good Adventurer.** > [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > They took a careful look at **Suburban Plankton** ’s remains. It seems that he was dressed in tight-fitting, dark robes, and held certain items which indicated that he was a master of the art of the ninja. He was definitely a **Ninja**. > > There was nothing about him which indicated he was anything less than a **Good Adventurer.** > [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > There was nothing left of **Normal Phase** to examine, so they entered her quarters. > > The Knight had modest living arrangements, just a simple mat lying on the floor, and a place to hang her weaponry. She kept a journal of her life, and it was obvious that she was a shining beacon of light and one of the truest defenders of the kingdom of Parma. > > Normal Phase was a **White Knight**. Not eager to raise her sword, but more than capable of doing so. Instead, her focus was on compassion for others, and defense of others. > > Normal Phase was very much a **Good Adventurer.** But she was gone… forever. ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3784 "2012-06-05T22:05:32Z")
> [@Tanaer](#): > > Someone has also said they couldn’t class change anymore, and I have received a similar indication. Did you? Could you paraphrase it? ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3785 "2012-06-05T22:51:41Z")
Would the summoner, the strings that control puppet Phere, the mastermind behind all this please step forward, I have a comfy chair and necklace for you to wear. Would a summoner/mastermind/scumbag abandon the game and require a substitution? I know scum would do anything but abandon the game? Inner subbed in to replace Reality Trip. **Unvote** So, SilverJan, you refuse to answer my questions about your actions? That’s naughty. **Vote Silver Jan** As you’d say, Lol. Septimus, it would be so funny for you to claim “scum” at end game, not be lynched, and win the game. That would be one for the wiki and history books. Choie, I maintain a niggling suspicion that you’re up to no good, a healthy dose of paranoia. Your writing skills are excellent. Astral, I’m still hurting over being wrong about you on D1/D2, if anyone’s flip was altered, I’m betting it was yours simply because it would restore my confidence in my gut. Tanaer, it was nice playing with you, I think, I really can’t remember much about you, no offence, but you didn’t even play any nice tunes… Gadarene, since you’re the most recent resurrectee, I doubt you’ve had time to get up to anything naughty. And that leaves Lightfoot, another one who’s barely registered on my radar. So what exactly does a ninja do then? Day ends tomorrow and I’ll be traveling most of the day. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3786 "2012-06-05T23:02:17Z")
a Ninja can attack or protect during the Day. They can watch a player at Night. Being a Ninja they cannot be seen. I’ve shared all my actions in public. ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3787 "2012-06-05T23:16:46Z")
A 23-hours-to-go Vote Count.[sup]1[/sup] Two votes.[ul][li]Tanaer (3,618), Gadarene (3,747)[/li][li]Silver Jan : Guiri (3,784)[/ul][/li] One vote.[ul][li]Inner Stickler II : Silver Jan (3,676)[/li][li]Astral Rejection : Septimus (3,771)[/li][/ul] = = = = = Item votes [ul][li]Diamond Pendant[list][_]Gadarene : 2 (Choie (3627), Silver Jan (3,634)[/ul][/li][li]Emerald Sceptre[ul][_]Silver Jan : 2 (Choie (3627), Silver Jan (3,634)[/ul][/li][li]Green Sceptre[ul]Astral Rejection : 2 (Choie (3627), Silver Jan (3,634)[/ul][/li][li]Obsidian Ring[ul][_]Choie : 2 (Choie (3627), Silver Jan (3,634)[/ul][/li][li]Teal Harp[ul][_]Tanaer : 1 (Choie (3,627))[/li][li]LightFoot : 1 (Silver Jan (3,634)[/ul][/li][/list] [sup]1[/sup]Unofficial estimate. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3788 "2012-06-06T00:15:07Z")
MHaye, you’re a champion among men. Can you confirm that GuiriEnEspana and Gadarane both have double votes? ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3789 "2012-06-06T01:15:24Z")
Something about \*\* choie \*\* has pinged me the last few Days- it could just be tone as typed but I’ve tried to filter that \*\* SilverJan \*\* keeping secrets at this late date is buggin’ the hades outta me They both have been handed so much Town cred ( the majority of which my thoughts attribute to their PM relationship in the \*\* Normal \*\* circle.) Look at the item votes- wouldn’t Town be a tad more hesitant to be so giving to one person? And they’ve both agreed who the other bits go to? Not that it matters a bunch at this stage I think. \*\* Guiri \*\* seems to have gone ‘golden’ ( I’m guilty of that assumption myself) I’ve trusted \*\* Gad’s \*\* prior and current self. ( for no out of thread reasons ) She has time to return and make right some of this so for now I \*\* Vote SilverJan \*\* I’m not certain that our votes are going to change the EOD results by a pile The players I didn’t mention are wiggly. Can’t put my finger on one seeming more scummy than the other. ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3790 "2012-06-06T02:26:23Z")
Wow, **Guiri** goes rogue and turns against the people who trust him, and, we assumed vice versa. _Quel charmant_! Though it was nice to say I write well. Thanks. I don’t for the life of me understand your vote against **Silver Jan** for not answering your questions about her actions today, especially since she’s not even active during what would be our daylight/early evening hours due to the time difference. Not that it matters since **Guiri** ’s gone for the rest of the Day. Thanks for the vote tally, **MHaye** , as always. But I’m not sure about **Gadarene** having two votes? **Gad** , can you confirm? **LightFoot** , you won’t believe this because you don’t trust me, but I voted a bunch of objects to a bunch of people I generally trusted. What **Silver Jan** did was her own affair; we didn’t consult on object voting at all. Just because I remember **pizza** (as moderator, not **Phere** ) mocking us for angsting and debating about whether to vote against a self-admitted evil person… **vote septimus** _Also because as I said, I will crack up if he turns out to be the Big Bad again. Too delicious._ ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3791 "2012-06-06T02:38:40Z")
LightFoot - I’m assuming your vote for Silver Jan is a pressure vote. Do you think that’s prudent with less than 24 hours to go on what may very well be LyLo? Who do you **most** suspect of being scum? ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3792 "2012-06-06T03:08:41Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > LightFoot - I’m assuming your vote for Silver Jan is a pressure vote. Do you think that’s prudent with less than 24 hours to go on what may very well be LyLo? > > Who do you **most** suspect of being scum? On a certain level, yes it is a pressure vote. It is also a gut reaction to the illusion of more information than the player is willing to share. at this point in the game I don’t see it as a pro town position. Add to that the ‘hearts and flowers’ \*\*exchanged by her and \*\* choie and Normal and someone else I ferget \*\* \*\* maybe a bad choice of words but there is no way for any Town to know who is really Town so the vouching for each other because of PM’s pings me too. ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3793 "2012-06-06T03:34:05Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > Add to that the ‘hearts and flowers’ \*\*exchanged by her and \*\* choie and Normal and someone else I ferget \*\* > > \*\* maybe a bad choice of words but there is no way for any Town to know who is really Town so the vouching for each other because of PM’s pings me too. I’m glad you should bring up **Normal**. Doesn’t the fact that we were, um, "hearts and flowers"ing with the Whitest Knight in the Land, and she knew our roles, tell you anything? Look, believe it or not, I totally understand your discontent about the PMing. I’ve repeated this until I’m blue in the face, but I _hated_ the PM option. And not just PMs. People were Skyping and talking on the phone and IMming and so on! I was sort of drawn into it mid-game out of necessity, and _very_ reluctantly. I kept wanting to play this sort of Utopian pure version of Mafia, the only kind I was familiar with. But in this particular game, it’s just not feasible or wise to do so. Heck, it was only shortly after that that **Silver Jan** brought you in too, so you weren’t averse to the PM thing completely then. It was your decision to depart, for (forgive me) what seemed to be a very odd reason: because I disagreed with one of your votes (or maybe it was because you disagreed with one of mine, I don’t even remember). **Silver Jan** , **Guiri** , **Astral** , and I have all disagreed with each other both in-thread and in PMs. So what? In any event, you are _vastly_ misrepresenting the trusting that’s going on by claiming that we’re “vouching for each other because of PMs.” We’re vouching for each other, as far as it goes, because of our _actions_ in-game, and what we believe about each other’s roles. But all this is smoke and mirrors and I think it’s a side issue. We have a guy who’s flatly admitted that he’s Evil. It’s a brilliant maneouver and I expect no less from **septimus** , but I think it’s crackers not to call him on it. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3794 "2012-06-06T03:54:03Z")
we have til 6 pm I’m going to enjoy my evening… My reaction - removing myself from the PM circles - were because - as I have stated in thread if I can trust anyone with what I have aI might as well trust all and see what they do with it. No matter now. I’ll be back in about 12 hours+/- ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3795 "2012-06-06T04:35:36Z")
LightFoot, you didn’t answer my question. **Who do you most suspect of being scum?** ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3796 "2012-06-06T05:49:38Z")
Ok, I am a Shadow Mage, Chaotic Good. I have been protecting someone at Night except for the first 2 Nights. I only attacked Lord Phere twice with 25 HP each time during the Day. ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 6:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3797 "2012-06-06T06:21:11Z")
> [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > Ok, I am a Shadow Mage, Chaotic Good. I have been protecting someone at Night except for the first 2 Nights. I only attacked Lord Phere twice with 25 HP each time during the Day. Thanks. I’m no longer suspicious of you. **Unvote** I can’t see why you would lie about such a minor thing so I suppose either my table of actions is incorrect or you are confused about what you did. I can only see one attack on Lord Phere for 25 hit points, on D2. Gadarene has claimed authorship of the 100hp attacks I erroneously assigned to you. When was your other attack? So, it’s lightfoot. **Vote Lightfoot** ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 7:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3798 "2012-06-06T07:28:29Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > Can you confirm that GuiriEnEspana and Gadarane both have double votes? I can’t confirm or deny anything, being totally unspoiled. I do my best to be accurate, but am fallible. If Gadarene has claimed double-vote status, please provide a link so that I can take it into account with any further vote counts. The same goes if you think I’ve missed any votes. Speaking of which, I’m out for the day, and won’t be able to provide a votecount until at least 7pm. ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 8:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3799 "2012-06-06T08:08:16Z")
Oh, **MHaye** and the others, I see what the problem is. **MHaye** , **Astral** asked about whether **Gadarene** had two votes because you made a bit of an omission in your vote list – the name of the voted party (emphasis mine): > [@MHaye](#): > > A 23-hours-to-go Vote Count.[sup]1[/sup] > > Two votes.[ul][li]_Tanaer (3,618), Gadarene (3,747)_[\*]Silver Jan : Guiri (3,784)[/ul][/li] > One vote.[ul][li]Inner Stickler II : Silver Jan (3,676)[/li][li]Astral Rejection : Septimus (3,771)[/li][/ul] The omission looks as if **Tanaer** has been voted by **Gadarene** , and she’s under the “Two votes” column. So it seemed as if **Gad** had two votes. Whereas in fact **Tanaer** was a voter, not the vot_ed_ party. That line should have read: _Two votes.[ul][li]Septimus: Tanaer (3,618), Gadarene (3,747)_[\*]Silver Jan : Guiri (3,784)[/ul][/li] Actually, now the votes have changed; **Septimus** is at three votes (with mine added); **Astral Rejection** , **Inner Stickler** , **Silver Jan** and **LightFoot** are at one vote. No biggie, it was just a bit confusing. Thanks for your help! ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 12:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3800 "2012-06-06T12:13:28Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > Thanks. I’m no longer suspicious of you. > > Unvote > > I can’t see why you would lie about such a minor thing so I suppose either my table of actions is incorrect or you are confused about what you did. I can only see one attack on Lord Phere for 25 hit points, on D2. Gadarene has claimed authorship of the 100hp attacks I erroneously assigned to you. When was your other attack? > > So, it’s lightfoot. > > vote Lightfoot I can’t remember which Days I voted for Phere, I will have to check all my messages and hope I haven’t deleted them. I know they weren’t on consecutive Days. D2 and D4 perhaps. **LightFoot** , you certainly seemed to trust me at one time and I said that I wouldn’t be able to lie to your face(book). Why turn on me now? I don’t get it. I didn’t want to reveal in the game that I was protecting someone at Night. I’m not sure what to do now. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 12:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3801 "2012-06-06T12:17:44Z")
Guiri, I found out what I did on D4, I attacked Visorslash with a sapphire pendant. It didn’t work because the pendant is a defensive thing, sorry for the confusion. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480.md?page=189) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480.md?page=191)