# \[Mafia game\] The Realm of Phere **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 1, 2012, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480 "2012-04-01T15:04:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 191
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3802 "2012-06-06T13:40:55Z")
> [@MHaye](#): > > I can’t confirm or deny anything, being totally unspoiled. > > I do my best to be accurate, but am fallible. If Gadarene has claimed double-vote status, please provide a link so that I can take it into account with any further vote counts. The same goes if you think I’ve missed any votes. > > Speaking of which, I’m out for the day, and won’t be able to provide a votecount until at least 7pm. As far as I know, I do not have a double vote, nor have I ever claimed such. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3803 "2012-06-06T14:15:52Z")
> [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > Ok, I am a Shadow Mage, Chaotic Good. I have been protecting someone at Night except for the first 2 Nights. I only attacked Lord Phere twice with 25 HP each time during the Day. You told me by PM some Days ago that you were Shadow Mage, but I neglected to ask for clarification. By “Shadow Mage” do you mean “Mage with Element Alignment = Shadow” ? ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3804 "2012-06-06T14:57:07Z")
We need better wagons. ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3805 "2012-06-06T15:52:15Z")
Astral, your PM box is full. Gadarene, who do you propose? I’m OK with Septimus if that’s the consensus. He’s evil and likely a threat to town, whether he considers himself one or not, but the mastermind summoner? I’d rather we all coordinate our attacks on Septimus (just to prevent him from winning) and lynch someone else. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3806 "2012-06-06T15:57:45Z")
I fixed it. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3807 "2012-06-06T16:04:57Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > Astral, your PM box is full. > > Gadarene, who do you propose? I’m OK with Septimus if that’s the consensus. He’s evil and likely a threat to town, whether he considers himself one or not, but the mastermind summoner? I’d rather we all coordinate our attacks on Septimus (just to prevent him from winning) and lynch someone else. I’m good with septimus, Inner Stickler, or LightFoot, I think. Silver Jan has seemed Townie to me, but she’s smart enough that I could obviously be wrong. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3808 "2012-06-06T16:06:44Z")
If/when I die, my epitaph will be as Story’s: > [@](#): > > His sole purpose in life was to survive, or to gain possession of this artifact. He searched his whole life, but it ended tragically, and without possession of this mythical item. He was certainly an Evil Adventurer. I’ve thought it should have been clear from such Reveals that “Evil” did not mean “Scum” in this Game. Perhaps it’s more obvious to me, since I can stare at my own role PM. Since there is no real “score” being kept, my true objective need not be what my “win-con” states in the role PM. I’ve been hoping for Town victory all along. Indeed if I’d managed to acquire the special artifact and learned its Power I’d have seen if I could put it to Good use. As I showed earlier, my Attacks have been largely against players who declared themselves to be of Neutral or non-Town alignment, surely not the action of a Scum. @ **LightFoot** - If you are working in Town’s interests, I’m surprised you’ve not paraphrased the PM I sent you 18 May, and written “I think septimus is truthful.” ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3809 "2012-06-06T16:10:18Z")
> [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > I can’t remember which Days I voted for Phere, I will have to check all my messages and hope I haven’t deleted them. I know they weren’t on consecutive Days. D2 and D4 perhaps. > > **LightFoot** , you certainly seemed to trust me at one time and I said that I wouldn’t be able to lie to your face(book). Why turn on me now? I don’t get it. I didn’t want to reveal in the game that I was protecting someone at Night. I’m not sure what to do now. In this game you can’t really trust anyone. hell even one (atleast) of our ‘reveals’ turned up false. yes, I did talk with you about the game earlier - we haven’t been online at the same time much so we haven’t persued any further conversation. If anyone had seen any major Scum tells I’m sure our voting would not be so close. we have 7 players voting by my count off to find the player list to determine who’s under the bed ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3810 "2012-06-06T16:15:32Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > If/when I die, my epitaph will be as Story’s: > I’ve thought it should have been clear from such Reveals that “Evil” did not mean “Scum” in this Game. Perhaps it’s more obvious to me, since I can stare at my own role PM. > > Since there is no real “score” being kept, my true objective need not be what my “win-con” states in the role PM. I’ve been hoping for Town victory all along. Indeed if I’d managed to acquire the special artifact and learned its Power I’d have seen if I could put it to Good use. > > As I showed earlier, my Attacks have been largely against players who declared themselves to be of Neutral or non-Town alignment, surely not the action of a Scum. > > @ **LightFoot** - If you are working in Town’s interests, I’m surprised you’ve not paraphrased the PM I sent you 18 May, and written “I think septimus is truthful.” What you sent to me looks accurate/agrees with what you have claimed in public. it is detailed and I cannot cross check every point but it is consistant. That does not clear your true intent but you seem sincere- to me. Although it seems my two pence may not buy a cuppa ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3811 "2012-06-06T16:26:50Z")
\*\* guiri \*\* Interesting logic,\* I have been quite transparent about all my actions including the reasons for them. Even protected you once. - sarcasm It apprears \*\* Astral and Inner \*\* have yet to vote Of the two I find \*\* Inner \*\* more suspect \*\* unvote SilverJan \*\* \*\* vote Inner \*\* This late in the Day/Game I wager the bad guy(s) know where the 3 votes are going and with us all over the place anyway – it’s probably a foregone conclusion. Non voters won’t get their hands dirty. Or I’m all wet. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3812 "2012-06-06T16:28:45Z")
I also find Inner more suspect, but could you elaborate on what made you choose him? ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3813 "2012-06-06T16:30:47Z")
Well, I don’t have any idea where the 3 votes are going. Unless you think ATPG was letting realitytrip send in vote requests without posting and then decided to sub him out just to be a dick. ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3814 "2012-06-06T16:50:58Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Well, I don’t have any idea where the 3 votes are going. Unless you think ATPG was letting realitytrip send in vote requests without posting and then decided to sub him out just to be a dick. Well… this _is_ **pizza** we’re talking about, right? 😃 😃 **LightFoot** it would be helpful to know your thoughts on why you went with **Inner**. With respect to **septimus** , I know that everything he said could be true, but he could also be lying his head off, flying under the radar in public and doing God-only-knows what with Phere in private.\* Call me crazy but it’s just hard to believe an admitted Evil guy. - Yipe, that sounds dirty. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3815 "2012-06-06T16:54:36Z")
If **realitytrip** were a Super Bad Guy, would he have abdicated as he did? Perhaps, e.g. if he felt inexperienced and undeserving of the responsibility. But, unless someone can point to posts from realitytrip hinting at that, I think votes on Inner are wrong. We all need to join together to have any chance, so I will join the top bandwagon (unless it’s on me), but EOD is 5 AM my time so I can’t wait until the last moment. **LightFoot** was at the top of my Most-likely-to-be-Town list, and I’m still waiting for a response from **Silver Jan** , but tentatively **Vote: LightFoot** If she really does turn out to be Phere’s Master or Summoner I’ll nominate LightFoot for _Best Performance by an Actress_. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3816 "2012-06-06T16:57:04Z")
To be super-legalistic: **Unvote; Vote: LightFoot** ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3817 "2012-06-06T16:57:16Z")
I’m pretty sure **realitytrip** was a complete newbie. Maybe he just didn’t want to deal with the responsibility? You never know who’s going to flake out, or think hiding like a clam is good strategy _cough_ pedescribe/Trepa Mayfield _cough_. ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3818 "2012-06-06T16:58:23Z")
Yeah, lightfoot, you can’t be scum because you protected me. **Unvote** Inner’s point about the triple vote is a valid one, were there triple votes the Days reality trip was absent? I can’t search. **Vote Septimus** ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3819 "2012-06-06T16:58:34Z")
If you want to be super-legalistic that “unvote” should be in red, **septimus**. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3820 "2012-06-06T16:59:42Z")
To be fair to Trepa, he didn’t hide so much as totally quit the game. 😃 He got almost the coolest kill-color in the game, because I wanted him good and dead. I think Septimus’ kill-color was my favorite, though. /reminiscing ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3821 "2012-06-06T16:59:57Z")
septimus is saying that he’s going to reveal exactly the way story did. As far as I know, the only information we have points to story being scum. Therefore, we need to lynch septimus. Right? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480.md?page=190) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480.md?page=192)