# \[Mafia game\] The Realm of Phere **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 1, 2012, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480 "2012-04-01T15:04:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 5\ **Page:** 200
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 8:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3982 "2012-06-11T08:44:37Z")
> [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > Kinda figured Gadarene would be whiny at the end. As for lack of respect for players, I have to hand it to you Gad, you’re never shy about disrespecting the moderator or your fellow players, or taking offense to the same sort of disrespect you dish out at people. The feeling is more than mutual there, buddy. He just pointed out flaws in your game. You are the one who decided to make it personal. If you can’t take someone pointing out the flaws in your game, then stop making them and go away. This post was extremely out of line. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 8:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3983 "2012-06-11T08:55:08Z")
Okay, and here’s the actual thing I came back to say before seeing that post above: Why in the world didn’t anyone call out **choie** ’s “Are we sure we’re at LyLo”? The MOD had just said that toDay was the final day. You were mod-confirmed to be at LyLo. There’s no other way the mod could have been sure the game was going to end, unless Town had already lost and two other teams were duking it out. I’m not saying you’d know she was scum, but at least she was making a mistake in assuming it wasn’t certain. And, yes, I’m sorry, but an unwatchable single Scum is never a good mechanic. You need either the ability to see who the Scum is or to be able to figure it out from posts. The entire point of mafia is that it is possible for Town to figure out the game, and the mod did say this was still Mafia. And I’m still not convinced that PMs didn’t horribly hurt the game. As an outsider, there was no way for me to figure out that Scum was **choie** , since I had no way of evaluating everyone else’s evidence that she was Town. And that for me made me think this game wasn’t very good. I apparently wasn’t alone, as I didn’t see a forbidden thread at all this time. I had no one to talk to about the game at all. And I even wound up avoiding the game until the end. And, just to be clear, this is all a criticism of the game, and not of the mod. The only criticism I have for the mod was in my previous post. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 8:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3984 "2012-06-11T08:56:21Z")
> [@Visorslash](#): > > I said it before in the QT, and I’ll say it again here. You guys seemed to be very “Choie is town, end of story”. I think in the future, unless the player is mod confirmed as being townie, always be willing to entertain the fact that they might be scum. A lot of you blindly trusted choie, which in turn led to your defeat. Just something to consider for next time. In fact, what I want to know is what everyone had on **choie** that they thought they could be sure she wasn’t scum. Some people were all about how they wanted to show their posts that proved that **choie** wasn’t Scum, if only she’d claim–hence the reason she probably didn’t want to claim her cover role. Let’s see it, please. BTW, I think your characterizations of her were offbase. You really did say some thing that were rather upsetting early on in the game, and her response, while wrong, really did seem like actual frustration with you. I think your depression was making you assume bad intent when none was there. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3985 "2012-06-11T14:04:13Z")
I thought she was town because she resurrected town players, seemed genuinely involved in “solving” the game, reacted in a townie way, hadn’t made any posts that truly pinged my scumometer, hadn’t seemed to be in collusion with anyone else (as shown by my vote chart), and was utterly protected by Silver Jan, whose powers I didn’t know for sure. I _was_ concerned about her still being alive, but I thought that pointed to an inexperienced scum team. Because, ultimately, I was still looking for a **team.** I’ve never played a game of mafia that didn’t have a scum team in it, which made me blind to this particular twist. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2012, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/3986 "2012-06-13T20:21:47Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > I thought she was town because she resurrected town players, seemed genuinely involved in “solving” the game, reacted in a townie way, hadn’t made any posts that truly pinged my scumometer, hadn’t seemed to be in collusion with anyone else (as shown by my vote chart), and was utterly protected by Silver Jan, whose powers I didn’t know for sure. > > I _was_ concerned about her still being alive, but I thought that pointed to an inexperienced scum team. Because, ultimately, I was still looking for a **team.** I’ve never played a game of mafia that didn’t have a scum team in it, which made me blind to this particular twist. I was looking for a Team and in a way, so was choie, she didn’t want the evils to find her out. I think she played really well and we just didn’t want to believe that she could be scum. I want to be scum with her sometime. I think the game would have been better if we knew what we were playing, this wasn’t a game of normal mafia, it was more of a D&D game. Pizza put a lot of effort into the game and I could have picked up more clues if I had thought them necessary. Yep RL gets in the way too and I was a bit lazy, next game I will take copious notes 🙂 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480.md?page=199)