# \[Mafia game\] The Realm of Phere **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 1, 2012, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480 "2012-04-01T15:04:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 22
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/421 "2012-04-09T16:08:39Z")
I’m leaning towards a few players have an extra vote. –or- maybe they get a (2) vote on whoever they vote for? If the 3 late votes for \*\* Mosier \*\* were a single power – my logic feels they were cast by someone trying to protect the lynch leaders. If it were a one shot Town power they would not have used it so early (and essentially blindly)\* \*\* not including a mason pairing \* If it were a Scum one shot power why use it so early when the vote could have easily shifted between the top two? This leads me to believe that \*\* Gaderene or Astral or Visorslash \* or any combination \* \*\* had someone trying to protect them. And given the Night colour, \*\* Visorslash \*\* certainly had a few looking out for him. ( we don’t know when the order for the extra votes was sent in. It may have been when \*\* visorslash and Gaderene \*\* were the top two as well.) Why would the extra 3 be placed on \*\* Mosier \*\*? who wasn’t in the running? If one player has the ability, they would/should think another might also?. Then if protecting \*\* Gaderene \*\* why not slam \*\* Astral or Visorslash\*\* to be sure? Or any other combination of leaders Which leaves me with Gaderene/Astral/Visorslash one (or more) appears to have been the target of said vote protection? If this reads as rambling, I’m composing it in spurts. ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/422 "2012-04-09T16:13:12Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > If this reads as rambling, I’m composing it in spurts. I think rambling is pretty much all most of us can do considering the utterly bizarre results. Reading over my own post it’s like I just regurgitated random thoughts all over the page. (Sorry for that unattractive visual.) ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/423 "2012-04-09T16:14:14Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > But the thing is, if scum, you WOULD have known, or at least known it was a very strong possibility, that you would live. So you’d have had all the motive you’d need to make such a post. IMO that makes the whole thing WIFOM of the purest sort and not worth discussing. No, because you’re still building in multiple assumptions: (1) that I’m scum; (2) that the person who gave Mosier three extra votes is scum; (3) that I was sure that those three extra votes would push Mosier over me; (4) that I pretended to make a dead-post exhorting town to victory as part of my fiendish plan. A much simpler explanation is: that I made my dead-post exhorting town to victory because (1) I thought I was dead; and (2) that I’m Town. You see what I mean? ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/424 "2012-04-09T16:15:51Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > Totally unlike your reason for voting for me at the beginning of Day 1, right? 😃 I have caught multiple scum solely on the basis of their opening post. Ask Weedy. In fact, I caught Weedy herself as scum when she made a “studiedly casual” opening post on day one and I pointed it out immediately. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/425 "2012-04-09T16:18:40Z")
I do not consider #2 an assumption. Until and unless it is proven otherwise, I believe there is sufficient evidence to consider the described traitor as scum (probably a godfather to boot in some way), and the logic chain linking the traitor to the votes is as solid as can be. #3 is in fact not necessary for such a post; even the possibility that you would survive would be sufficient. So basically all I am saying is that I will give you no town cred for it, because IF you are scum, it would have been a logical card to play. I mean, why not? ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/426 "2012-04-09T16:19:38Z")
> [@Gadarene](#): > > No, because you’re still building in multiple assumptions: (1) that I’m scum; (2) that the person who gave Mosier three extra votes is scum; (3) that I was sure that those three extra votes would push Mosier over me; (4) that I pretended to make a dead-post exhorting town to victory as part of my fiendish plan. > > A much simpler explanation is: that I made my dead-post exhorting town to victory because (1) I thought I was dead; and (2) that I’m Town. > > You see what I mean? No, it’s not nearly as convoluted as that. As I’ve said, I’ve read (and I think participated in) games where the lynched Scum composed a lovely _ave atque vale_ speech before the revealing color went up, only to say afterward “Bye, bitches! Hail Satan!” And that was when there was none of these freakydeaky goings-on afterwards where they were still alive, so there was no need for them to act coy like that. In other words, all that needs to be assumed is that 1) you’re scum and were still playing the role of innocent townie until 2) the color went up to reveal your scummitude. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/427 "2012-04-09T16:20:55Z")
> [@gnarlycharlie](#): > > AWESOME!!! > > i too want to live long enough to understand this. You know you’re going to catch some for this, right? Are the vote shenanigans Awesome? Is the Dead Townie Awesome? can you elaborate? ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/428 "2012-04-09T16:28:57Z")
_shrug_ People can continue to be paranoid and think I’m scum. I’m not. I do think Normal Phase is probably town, with the way she’s approached everything. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/429 "2012-04-09T16:31:33Z")
Cool. Give me all your role information. ^^ ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/430 "2012-04-09T16:35:55Z")
> [@Gadarene](#): > > I have caught multiple scum solely on the basis of their opening post. You’re going to be so disappointed when I die. > [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > Cool. Give me all your role information. ^^ Shenanigans!!! (Sorry\* for the night fluff. I’m at work, so case building is out of the question. Silly jokes are about the best I can do.) ((\*I’m not really sorry. Night fluff is fun.)) ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/431 "2012-04-09T16:40:09Z")
You are crap at defending yourself Gad, you know that? Your post Lynch posting says nothing about you at all and you should know that. On the other hand your other behavior speaks townie to me so I won’t re vote for you toMorrow. ---
**Author:** ![realitytrip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d78d45/32.png) [@realitytrip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/realitytrip)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/432 "2012-04-09T16:40:34Z")
Wow. Just wow. From ATPG’s setup, I knew there would be some hidden powers, but this seems pretty ridiculously strong. There were a total of 5 added votes? Even if the Demon Lord 3 shot was a one time deal, the town will have to win by 3 votes during the day to prevent any voting shenanigans. Still processing… ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/433 "2012-04-09T16:40:45Z")
Heh. Because he’s SO bad at defending himself? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/434 "2012-04-09T16:45:22Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > Cool. Give me all your role information. ^^ Okay. PM incoming. > [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > You’re going to be so disappointed when I die. It’s probablistic, Astral. I don’t know why so many people don’t seem to get this. Am I saying I’m definitely right about your role? Obviously not. And, honestly, I think you’ve defended yourself in a relatively townie way. But _the reasons for my vote were valid and my thought process was valid_, even if I end up being wrong this time. Divorce results from process, and think probabilistically. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/435 "2012-04-09T16:47:35Z")
Lord Phere takes 80hp damage. ( unknown ) Lord Phere takes 80hp damage. (unknown) Lightfoot takes 25hp damage. (unknown) Inner Stickler takes 75hp damage. (protected Visorslash) Glee takes 13hp damage. (unknown) Visorslash takes 100hp damage.( magical orb damage even with protection) ToeJam takes 50hp damage. (unknown) GuiriEnEspana takes 50hp damage.(unknown) Red Skeezix takes 60hp damage. (unknown) \*\*Visorslash,BobArrgh,Inner Stickler \*\* were all protected ( or attempt was made to protect them) The players with damage may have attacked Lord Phere-another player-or been protecting a player. I doubt the Mod would have placed the offers of protection in order of the HP damage so I’m not reading anything into that just now I made this list for me. And decided to share it in case someone else saw something I’ve missed. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/436 "2012-04-09T16:48:19Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > Heh. Because he’s SO bad at defending himself? 🙂 No, but seriously he is doing a terrible job. It’s a lot of subtle stuff that I think is hard to fake about how he reacted to coming back from being away and finding himself in the vote lead that makes me think he is town. Still, \*really \*crap at defending himself. ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/437 "2012-04-09T16:50:11Z")
> [@Gadarene](#): > > Okay. PM incoming. Wait wait wait, isn’t sharing role PMs against the rules? Or is it just posting them in public? > [@askthepizzaguy's rule 4](#): > > 1. You may not quote your role PM. You may claim a character class, or alignment, or element, or claim a special power, or just make things up. But you cannot reveal your role via copy and pasting any part of it. In other words, use natural language to discuss who you are, don’t discuss your role in a severely out of character way, such as: > > “The first line of my role PM says…” > Even if you’re paraphrasing. Best ask for clarification before doing any forwarding. I know **pizzaguy** can’t police PMs, but still… ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/438 "2012-04-09T16:53:20Z")
> [@choie](#): > > Wait wait wait, isn’t sharing role PMs against the rules? Or is it just posting them in public? > > Best ask for clarification before doing any forwarding. I know **pizzaguy** can’t police PMs, but still… I didn’t share or quote my role PM in any way; I abided by the rules in the OP (and I copied Pizza on the communication). I merely gave Normal my role information for her to do with as she sees fit. ---
**Author:** ![realitytrip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d78d45/32.png) [@realitytrip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/realitytrip)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/439 "2012-04-09T16:53:59Z")
> [@BobArrgh](#): > > Hmmm … interesting that more than one person protected **Visorslash**. One explanation could be that his Scum Buddies protected him. Another explanation is that his Mason Buddies protected him. > > In any case, **Inner Stickler** seems to be tied to **Visorslash** in some way. Of course, this could be a direct buddy-buddy connection, or it could be an indirect connection (as in, Inner Stickler having an action where he protects the second-place vote getter, regardless of who it is.) I would love to hear **Inner Stickler** ’s take on his protecting **Visorslash** … ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/440 "2012-04-09T16:55:00Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > No, but seriously he is doing a terrible job. It’s a lot of subtle stuff that I think is hard to fake about how he reacted to coming back from being away and finding himself in the vote lead that makes me think he is town. > > Still, \*really \*crap at defending himself. I agree that my time at POG has made me lazy about composing huge, analytical posts defending myself; I generally hope I can get by on tone and scumhunting and stuff. I obviously need to do more scumhunting as the game goes on. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480.md?page=21) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480.md?page=23)