# \[Mafia game\] The Realm of Phere **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 1, 2012, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480 "2012-04-01T15:04:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 27
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/521 "2012-04-09T23:00:33Z")
Erm, guys, I have a question about the attacks on Lord Phere. It seems like a few of us ( **Suburban Plankton** for example) are taking it as read that **Visorslash** was the one who attacked Phere, due to his/her post #75 that said “attack.” However, looking over the rules, I see this: > [@askthepizzaguy](#): > > 1. During the day, you may cast a vote for whatever is being voted on, always the lynch, and usually an item. During the day, you may have other actions that you can choose to do, and you may send your command to the game host so it may be executed. **Always send this in via private message, and by no other means**. Bolding mine. I suppose we can _assume_ that **Visorslash** re-sent his action via PM, or that our GM was kind enough to place the command despite the rule-bending, but I’m not sure we should speak of it as a certainty. Or am I misreading this rule? ---
**Author:** ![fubbleskag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fubbleskag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fubbleskag)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/522 "2012-04-09T23:44:05Z")
so what’s all this then? ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/523 "2012-04-09T23:49:50Z")
Lynch the lurker! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/524 "2012-04-09T23:53:21Z")
> [@fubbleskag](#): > > so what’s all this then? Now that reminds me of a [warm and fuzzy moment](http://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?137953-Capo-di-Tutti-Capi-IV-Concluded&p=2053382356&viewfull=1#post2053382356) I once had… ---
**Author:** ![fubbleskag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fubbleskag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fubbleskag)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/525 "2012-04-10T00:19:41Z")
apparently I was the only non-heathen too busy celebrating Easter to play Day 1. I’d apologize, except fuck that. ok. this was game was pitched specifically on two major premises - total off the wall bumfuckery and that we were all too busy to play this mafia. kudos to **ATPG** for holding up his end of the deal - it took me 15 minutes just to read and understand(?) my fucking PM I’ll be holding up my end by being too busy to play this mafia; or at least, too busy to play it well. then again, even if I sat here for 8 hours a day I don’t think ‘well’ would be a word used to describe my game play, so whatever. I’m far more interested in the atypical aspects of this game setup than in partaking in the traditional scum hunting bullshit parade, particularly since I started out with some neat tricks/items - more on that in a bit. I’m male. my name is also all lowercase. if anyone wants to contact me off board: email: [fubbleskag@speedofwood.com](mailto:fubbleskag@speedofwood.com) aim: fbblskg I will likely only be able to read two to three times per lowercase day. I _might_ be able to sneak in a quick post or two each of those times, but that will vary depending on how busy I am with work, the family, or curing cancer. I’m going to swear a lot. I also don’t capitalize sentences correctly 99% of the time. I’m not going to change either of these things, ever, so don’t waste your time bitching about it. I will not be reviewing Day 1 thoroughly, unless I happen to need to look back for something specific. if you want my opinion on something specific, you’ll have to ask for it. if you want to lynch me for any/all of the above, go ahead - I don’t need to survive to win, and based on the write-up and **ATPG’s** previous games, I don’t need to be alive to enjoy myself. now, on to the good stuff. I think I saw at least one person mention they had started with items of unknown origin, worth, and/or ability. knowing **ATPG** , I wouldn’t be surprised if more than half of you did. I have the capability to inspect an item and provide some insight into one or all of these aspects of it. if anyone wants one of their unknown items inspected, I’m offering up my services in exchange for some gold. I can inspect up to three items at a time, or focus all my energy on one item - I suspect that how much focus I put into an item directly correlates to either how much information I receive, or the accuracy therein (thereof?). so, first come first serve - 100 gold for a standard reading, 300 gold to get all my focus on the item. you’ll need to PM **ATPG** to let him know you want to give me the gold/item for inspection as opposed to just saying so in the thread, but you’re welcome to express your interest and/or attempt to haggle publicly. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/526 "2012-04-10T00:28:50Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > Oh well, the order of the statements in the dusk color was pretty clear to me and I mentioned my bemusement at the transparency of the (successful?) Day protectors but not the attackers. Short of serving as an alibi or as an attempt to discourage Day protectors, I’ve no idea why this information is publicly available. I doubt it relates to role or alignment. Anyone? If you take the order at face value ( I do not) > [@](#): > > Lightfoot takes 25hp damage. > > “Hey! Cut it out!” Shrieks Lightfoot. > > “I’ll protect you, Visorslash!” shouts someone else. > > Inner Stickler takes 75hp damage. > > “I’ll protect you, BobArrgh!” shouts another. > > Glee takes 13hp damage. > > “I’ll protect you, Visorslash!” shouts Inner Stickler. “Woah! What the hell is that?” he says, diving out of the path of danger. A magical orb hits Visorslash directly in the chest. > > Visorslash takes 100hp damage. see someone was going to protect visor, Inner takes damage, someone will protect Bob,Glee takes Damage, Inner will protect Visor (sort of\_dives outta the way) and Visor takes damage. then 3 other players take damage Visor had 2 protectors?- I don’t think cause and effect are listed in order ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/527 "2012-04-10T00:40:38Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > > [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > > > I’d like to know if the 75 HP of damage you took was as a direct result of your protection of **Visorslash**. Did you absorb some of the damage that was directed at him? > > It sure looks that way, doesn’t it. I was rather hoping you’d have a more definite picture of things… Let me put it this way: You put in an order to protect **Visorslash**. Were you informed in your PM that you personally would take damage equal to some percentage of the damage that would have been inflicted on your protection target had you not intervened? I’m thinking, something like “you may protect someone; if you do and they are attacked, 50% of the damage directed at them will instead be inflicted upon you”…is this what happened, to your knowledge? ---
**Author:** ![BobArrgh](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobarrgh/32/2881_2.png) [@BobArrgh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobArrgh)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/528 "2012-04-10T00:43:36Z")
First of all, a hearty THANK YOU to whomever protected me. I raise my glass in salute to you, and if I ever may return the favor, you have but to ask me in private and I will try, given the opportunity. Secondly, thank you Astral, for attacking me. It’s nice to know who one’s friends are … or aren’t, as the case may be. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/529 "2012-04-10T00:44:05Z")
When you explain to me why you need the particulars of my role, I will think about sharing them with you. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/530 "2012-04-10T00:45:10Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > If you take the order at face value ( I do not) > see someone was going to protect visor, Inner takes damage, someone will protect Bob,Glee takes Damage, Inner will protect Visor (sort of\_dives outta the way) and Visor takes damage. > then 3 other players take damage > > Visor had 2 protectors?- I don’t think cause and effect are listed in order Actually, if you look at it as posted, it seems like Inner Stickler protected Visorslash, taking 75 HP damage…and then a few lines later Inner Stickler fails to protect Visorslash, and Visorslash takes 100 HP damage. So apparently Inner Stickler both protected \*and \*failed to protect Visorslash. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/531 "2012-04-10T00:50:42Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > Actually, if you look at it as posted, it seems like Inner Stickler protected Visorslash, taking 75 HP damage…and then a few lines later Inner Stickler fails to protect Visorslash, and Visorslash takes 100 HP damage. > > So apparently Inner Stickler both protected \*and \*failed to protect Visorslash. So can a protector attempt to protect any/all attacks on their target for that cycle? And the magical one he could not deflect? then there were 2 attempts on Visor? Maybe if your target is attacked twice you will be outed as the protector of them? ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/532 "2012-04-10T00:51:43Z")
NETA would a Mod leave the cause and effect in order for the protecting parties to be easily spotted? ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/533 "2012-04-10T00:52:36Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > When you explain to me why you need the particulars of my role, I will think about sharing them with you. There has been some debate about whether or not we can take the summary of events at face value, as happening in chronological order, with protections and the subsequent damages as being related. It appears that if this picture of events is true, then those protecting others suffered damage to themselves as a direct result of that protection. You are the only person who was explicitly named as having protected someone, so it seems logical that you might be able to shed some light on that question. If you knew that you were putting yourself at risk by protecting Visorslash, then we could assume the same was true of others, and this would support the idea that we could interpret the events as posted. If, on the other hand, your understanding was otherwise, then that would support the idea that the events were listed in no particular order. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/534 "2012-04-10T00:59:53Z")
Just to clarify: I don’t think the events were necessarily listed in order and intended to reflect cause and effect. In my opinion, the biggest argument for my position is the fact that information about **Red Skeezix** was added in a separate post and completely out of context. If we are supposed to infer anything about the actual events, then we would need to know where Red fits into the picture. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/535 "2012-04-10T01:08:03Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > If we are supposed to infer anything about the actual events, then we would need to know where Red fits into the picture. This sounds suspiciously like something I’d need to react to. Mightn’t you phrase this in the form of a question, bold, and green? 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/536 "2012-04-10T01:11:25Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > There has been some debate about whether or not we can take the summary of events at face value, as happening in chronological order, with protections and the subsequent damages as being related. It appears that if this picture of events is true, then those protecting others suffered damage to themselves as a direct result of that protection. You don’t actually need me to verify or disprove this hypothesis as you could ask Glee or guiri if they protected the person above them slated for damage. As it stands, I will note that, in point of fact, I’ve already answered this question, you need only do some math. As for skeezix, I expect that the answer is that whoever damaged him is neither a mage nor a soldier. ---
**Author:** ![gnarlycharlie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/5f9b8f/32.png) [@gnarlycharlie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnarlycharlie)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/537 "2012-04-10T01:18:48Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > You know you’re going to catch some for this, right? > > Are the vote shenanigans Awesome? > Is the Dead Townie Awesome? > > can you elaborate? the color was awesome! i’m a fantasy/D&D fan. is that clearer now? > [@Gadarene](#): > > I’m curious about who (and why, and maybe even how) attacked Lord Phere. Lord Phere is Pizza’s role, right? why? i’m guessing because **ATPG** said it was possible and those who did thought killing him would be beneficial. > [@Gadarene](#): > > Also, I’ve shared information about my role with Normal without asking for anything in return, because she is a decently strong Town lean of mine as things stand. > > If anyone else would like to _exchange_ limited role information with me via PM, either PM me or let me know in-thread, and I’m sure we can figure something out. (I’m not sure how this is going to go, but I’ve thought it through a little bit and don’t think it’s an anti-town play.) my inbox is open. i’ve played in games which not only allow but also encourage private communications. this is the first time on a board that most players haven’t. be prepared for players who might think such communication is suspicious. > [@LightFoot](#): > > You assume much > > You claim you attacked **Bob** ( how could you know he was only attacked once?) > > - someone \* said they would protect \*\* Bob \*\* > “I’ll protect you, BobArrgh!” shouts another. > > 7 players took damage > \*\* Visorslash \*\* from the orb and \*\* Inner \*\* _maybe_ in the protection of \*\* Visorslash \*\* ( but he did jump out of the way.) > That leaves 5 players that \*\* might \*\* have taken damage protecting or being attacked > I’m not certain that our mod would leave all actions in tidy order. > > And because we know different elements have an effect on the damage caused I’m not comfortable assuming that’s what happened. (of course Glee could pop in and say they protected Bob but I don’t think that’s wise either) 13 points seems to be half of a 25 point damage attack rounded up. > [@fubbleskag](#): > > apparently I was the only non-heathen too busy celebrating Easter to play Day 1. I’d apologize, except fuck that. > > ok. this was game was pitched specifically on two major premises - total off the wall bumfuckery and that we were all too busy to play this mafia. kudos to **ATPG** for holding up his end of the deal - it took me 15 minutes just to read and understand(?) my fucking PM > > I’ll be holding up my end by being too busy to play this mafia; or at least, too busy to play it well. then again, even if I sat here for 8 hours a day I don’t think ‘well’ would be a word used to describe my game play, so whatever. > > I’m far more interested in the atypical aspects of this game setup than in partaking in the traditional scum hunting bullshit parade, particularly since I started out with some neat tricks/items - more on that in a bit. > > I’m male. my name is also all lowercase. > > if anyone wants to contact me off board: > > email: [fubbleskag@speedofwood.com](mailto:fubbleskag@speedofwood.com) > aim: fbblskg > > I will likely only be able to read two to three times per lowercase day. I _might_ be able to sneak in a quick post or two each of those times, but that will vary depending on how busy I am with work, the family, or curing cancer. > > I’m going to swear a lot. I also don’t capitalize sentences correctly 99% of the time. I’m not going to change either of these things, ever, so don’t waste your time bitching about it. > > I will not be reviewing Day 1 thoroughly, unless I happen to need to look back for something specific. if you want my opinion on something specific, you’ll have to ask for it. > > if you want to lynch me for any/all of the above, go ahead - I don’t need to survive to win, and based on the write-up and **ATPG’s** previous games, I don’t need to be alive to enjoy myself. > > now, on to the good stuff. > > I think I saw at least one person mention they had started with items of unknown origin, worth, and/or ability. knowing **ATPG** , I wouldn’t be surprised if more than half of you did. > > I have the capability to inspect an item and provide some insight into one or all of these aspects of it. if anyone wants one of their unknown items inspected, I’m offering up my services in exchange for some gold. > > I can inspect up to three items at a time, or focus all my energy on one item - I suspect that how much focus I put into an item directly correlates to either how much information I receive, or the accuracy therein (thereof?). > > so, first come first serve - 100 gold for a standard reading, 300 gold to get all my focus on the item. you’ll need to PM **ATPG** to let him know you want to give me the gold/item for inspection as opposed to just saying so in the thread, but you’re welcome to express your interest and/or attempt to haggle publicly. first of all, how have you been? how’s the little one? now to less serious matters. you’ve shed light when **ATPG** was talking about gold. one more piece of the puzzle clarified. i’ll add you on AIM in case either one of us want to chat. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/538 "2012-04-10T01:30:18Z")
> [@BobArrgh](#): > > Secondly, thank you Astral, for attacking me. It’s nice to know who one’s friends are … or aren’t, as the case may be. Nothing meant or implied by my attack. I wanted to poke someone with my day action to see what happened. So no hard feelings, right buddy? Buddy? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![BobArrgh](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobarrgh/32/2881_2.png) [@BobArrgh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobArrgh)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/539 "2012-04-10T01:55:29Z")
hmmmppphhhhh!!! ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/540 "2012-04-10T02:00:11Z")
\*\* gnarly charlie \*\* you’ve stated the obvious 13 would be 1/2 of 25 but that tells us what? really? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480.md?page=26) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480.md?page=28)