# \[Mafia game\] The Realm of Phere **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 1, 2012, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480 "2012-04-01T15:04:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 29
**Author:** ![Weedy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/weedy/32/301_2.png) [@Weedy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weedy)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/561 "2012-04-10T03:43:58Z")
**Pizzamod, are attacks labeled as magical or physical in the colour, or the word ‘attack’ could be either magical or physical attack?** ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/562 "2012-04-10T03:46:59Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > We get it, you’re nonchalant already! Yeah, quit rubbing it in! > [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > Oh, since you asked so nicely… > > \*\*Oh most benevolent Moderator, > > Was the information imparted in [Post 379](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14947342&postcount=379) meant to be taken as a detailed, chronological summation of the Day’s combat? If so, where does the damage done to Red Skeezix (see [Post 380](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14947358&postcount=380)) fit into the sequence of events? > > Respectfully yours, > > SP\*\* Chronological is not a relevant piece of information here, as all attack commands are issued simultaneously. However, I can clarify that no one leaped to mister Red Skeezix’ aid, and therefore, no one took damage on his behalf. If they did, it would be in the writeup. If he had leaped to someone’s defense, they would also be indicated. Therefore, it was a single attack on him, which he took the brunt of without a defender. ---
**Author:** ![ToeJam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/dfb087/32.png) [@ToeJam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ToeJam)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/563 "2012-04-10T03:47:17Z")
> [@Weedy](#): > > It probably doesn’t hurt to attack the Demon Lord if you aren’t doing anything else, but I doubt it will be effective. The aim of the game seems to me to find the traitor and defeat the Demon that way. Why do you claim that it will not be effective? He has hitpoints, and apparently can take damage. Is it just a gut instinct or do you actually know more about the Demon Lord than you wish to reveal out here in the open? I do agree that defeating the traitor might be the best way to deal with the Demon, but to attack the Demon rather than a blind strike in the Dark seems like not a bad plan. **Pizzaguy** has said that he will be voting as the demon, and that he does like to put certain hidden (almost gastardly) twists into his games- the Demon could most certainly fit that profile very easily for a “tricky” mechanism for the players to deal with. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/564 "2012-04-10T03:50:46Z")
Because if the demonlord has 9999,999,999,999 HP, we’ll be here for a while. Or if the Demonlord has an HP regenerating ability greater than the total of all the combined attacks. Visor, you’re welcome. Now, pay me back by not being scum and showing us how things are done where you’re from. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/565 "2012-04-10T03:53:11Z")
> [@Weedy](#): > > **Pizzamod, are attacks labeled as magical or physical in the colour, or the word ‘attack’ could be either magical or physical attack?** Such information as the element of an attack, should it be magical, will not be revealed. Such information as the kind of magical shield used, if one is used, will not be revealed. Similar info won’t be revealed. It might be possible to tell if an attack used is magical, but in some instances, it won’t be. In general, it may not be possible to tell what kind of an attack or defense is being used, from the ‘ **colour** ’ alone. But I am confident this group can still work out what is happening, based on the effectiveness of the defense used, if any, and the amount of damage taken, to within a reasonable degree of accuracy. ---
**Author:** ![Visorslash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/ee59a6/32.png) [@Visorslash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Visorslash)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/566 "2012-04-10T04:07:17Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Because if the demonlord has 9999,999,999,999 HP, we’ll be here for a while. Or if the Demonlord has an HP regenerating ability greater than the total of all the combined attacks. > > Visor, you’re welcome. Now, pay me back by not being scum and showing us how things are done where you’re from. I think we should all attack the the demon lord to see what happens. Stickler, I’ll be back tonight with some thoughts on the round. ---
**Author:** ![PetW](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d2c977/32.png) [@PetW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PetW)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/567 "2012-04-10T04:11:31Z")
We know that the demon can take damage, and that it appears to use 3on votes on a Townie. Unless you have a good reason for otherwise, I say that we focus our attacks on the demon. Also, we can’t allow the vote totals to be close at the end, because apparently the demon will lynch a Townie that already has a high number of votes. Looks like it’ll need to be more unanimous to prevent what happened to Mosier. Also, between Gadarenes tearful goodbye and his miraculous save at the end, I don’t trust him at all. ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/568 "2012-04-10T04:18:41Z")
**Visorslash** , did you PM **pizzamod** with your attack, as per the rules? Or did you get a freebie even though you posted your attack through non-allowed means (e.g. in the forum)? I’m curious to see how generous our GM is with mistakes. And BTW, count me as one who thinks it’s a big honking mistake to go after Phere directly, and it’s _exactly_ what a scum team member would hope we’d do. Are we seriously going to listen to someone telling us _not to go after scum_, but instead attack a huge mofo of a monster who’s probably nearly immortal? Doesn’t this sound precisely what the evil ones are hoping we’d do? Jesus, Mary and Joseph, y’all aren’t seriously considering this tactic, are you? I am gonna look _hella_ askance at those who think it’s better to target this lord high demon whatever than scum, and I hope the rest of town does the same. ---
**Author:** ![PetW](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d2c977/32.png) [@PetW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PetW)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/569 "2012-04-10T04:18:48Z")
On second thought, I suppose the scum/demon would’ve made the same move whether Gadarene was scum or not, so that’s a non-tell. The last minute goodbye seemed a little cute, though. ---
**Author:** ![PetW](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d2c977/32.png) [@PetW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PetW)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/570 "2012-04-10T04:23:05Z")
> [@choie](#): > > **Visorslash** , did you PM **pizzamod** with your attack, as per the rules? Or did you get a freebie even though you posted your attack through non-allowed means (e.g. in the forum)? > > I’m curious to see how generous our GM is with mistakes. > > And BTW, count me as one who thinks it’s a big honking mistake to go after Phere directly, and it’s _exactly_ what a scum team member would hope we’d do. Are we seriously going to listen to someone telling us _not to go after scum_, but instead attack a huge mofo of a monster who’s probably nearly immortal? Doesn’t this sound precisely what the evil ones are hoping we’d do? > > Jesus, Mary and Joseph, y’all aren’t seriously considering this tactic, are you? I am gonna look _hella_ askance at those who think it’s better to target this lord high demon whatever than scum, and I hope the rest of town does the same. That’s a good point, focused attacks on suspected scum would basically be an extra lynch. But individual, diffuse attacks on everyone will be counter productive. Point is, even if there’s disagreement, we have to start working together. Letting scum/the demon settle tiebreakers ain’t gonna be helpful. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Skeezix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/aca169/32.png) [@Red\_Skeezix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Skeezix)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/571 "2012-04-10T04:23:17Z")
Oh crap, I knew we were underway, but completely forgot about it. Need to catch up. On browse I see I took 60 damage today. Is that because I didn’t vote? I don’t recall. Need to reread the rules. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/572 "2012-04-10T04:27:56Z")
Until I see evidence that damaging the demonlord will affect anything, I’m not that interested in spending a lot of time on it. ---
**Author:** ![Visorslash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/ee59a6/32.png) [@Visorslash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Visorslash)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/573 "2012-04-10T04:30:44Z")
PetW I mean a one time attack on the demon to see what happens. ---
**Author:** ![PetW](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d2c977/32.png) [@PetW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PetW)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/574 "2012-04-10T04:40:19Z")
> [@Visorslash](#): > > PetW > > I mean a one time attack on the demon to see what happens. So far all we’ve seen from the demon is a 3 vote swing. If we use smarter voting strategy we can overcome that. However, if it becomes apparent that we need to kill the demon asap then we’ll think of a way to deal with that. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/575 "2012-04-10T04:45:23Z")
> [@PetW](#): > > We know that the demon can take damage, and that it appears to use 3on votes on a Townie. Unless you have a good reason for otherwise, I say that we focus our attacks on the demon. > Also, we can’t allow the vote totals to be close at the end, because apparently the demon will lynch a Townie that already has a high number of votes. Looks like it’ll need to be more unanimous to prevent what happened to Mosier. > Also, between Gadarenes tearful goodbye and his miraculous save at the end, I don’t trust him at all. The goodbye wasn’t exactly tearful. You seem like you’re mischaracterizing my post to your own ends. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/576 "2012-04-10T04:46:52Z")
> [@choie](#): > > **Visorslash** , did you PM **pizzamod** with your attack, as per the rules? Or did you get a freebie even though you posted your attack through non-allowed means (e.g. in the forum)? > > I’m curious to see how generous our GM is with mistakes. > > And BTW, count me as one who thinks it’s a big honking mistake to go after Phere directly, and it’s _exactly_ what a scum team member would hope we’d do. Are we seriously going to listen to someone telling us _not to go after scum_, but instead attack a huge mofo of a monster who’s probably nearly immortal? Doesn’t this sound precisely what the evil ones are hoping we’d do? > > Jesus, Mary and Joseph, y’all aren’t seriously considering this tactic, are you? I am gonna look _hella_ askance at those who think it’s better to target this lord high demon whatever than scum, and I hope the rest of town does the same. Underlined for emphasis. Nobody’s telling you not to go after scum. How do you know who are scum? Do you think it would be a good idea for half the town to be, in effect, mandatory vigs shooting wildly into the crowd? ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/577 "2012-04-10T04:48:08Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Until I see evidence that damaging the demonlord will affect anything, I’m not that interested in spending a lot of time on it. This is bizarre logic, since until you spend time on it you’ll never _know_ whether damaging the demonlord will affect anything. ---
**Author:** ![PetW](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d2c977/32.png) [@PetW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PetW)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/578 "2012-04-10T05:02:33Z")
> [@Gadarene](#): > > Underlined for emphasis. Nobody’s telling you not to go after scum. How do you know who are scum? Do you think it would be a good idea for half the town to be, in effect, mandatory vigs shooting wildly into the crowd? We don’t know for sure. But if we lynch, in effect, 2 people per round, then we have a better chance of catching scum. Taking your logic to the extreme, we should just never lynch anybody, and let the scum kill us one by one. Of course, nobody is advocating diffuse attacks on random people (in fact me and at least one other person have specifically advised against it) - that’s a strawman you just created. Your goodbye is difficult to parse, but like I said, it seemed a little cute. My “tearful” remark was sardonic. ---
**Author:** ![PetW](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d2c977/32.png) [@PetW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PetW)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/579 "2012-04-10T05:08:44Z")
> [@Gadarene](#): > > This is bizarre logic, since until you spend time on it you’ll never _know_ whether damaging the demonlord will affect anything. We could waste a lot of time if it turns out the demon has a ton of hp. My gut says the demon isn’t going anywhere anytime soon. Like I said, if we work together we can basically have 2 lynches per Day, and maybe one during the Night, if we have enough firepower. **Who here wants to finish the lynch that should’ve happened at the end of Day 1? Attack Gadarene if you have the ability.** ---
**Author:** ![Weedy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/weedy/32/301_2.png) [@Weedy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weedy)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 6:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/580 "2012-04-10T06:07:21Z")
> [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > Such information as the element of an attack, should it be magical, will not be revealed. Such information as the kind of magical shield used, if one is used, will not be revealed. Similar info won’t be revealed. It might be possible to tell if an attack used is magical, but in some instances, it won’t be. > > In general, it may not be possible to tell what kind of an attack or defense is being used, from the ‘ **colour** ’ alone. But I am confident this group can still work out what is happening, based on the effectiveness of the defense used, if any, and the amount of damage taken, to within a reasonable degree of accuracy. Glee could be a Mage then, attacked by an opposing element. > [@ToeJam](#): > > Why do you claim that it will not be effective? He has hitpoints, and apparently can take damage. > > Is it just a gut instinct or do you actually know more about the Demon Lord than you wish to reveal out here in the open? I do agree that defeating the traitor might be the best way to deal with the Demon, but to attack the Demon rather than a blind strike in the Dark seems like not a bad plan. > > **Pizzaguy** has said that he will be voting as the demon, and that he does like to put certain hidden (almost gastardly) twists into his games- the Demon could most certainly fit that profile very easily for a “tricky” mechanism for the players to deal with. I don’t know anything about the demon. I think it’s futile for a few reasons: > [@](#): > > The Demon Lord > > You can vote for the Demon monster, for all the good it will do you. I will count this as “No Lynch”. The Demon is known to be immune to the lynch at game start. However, the Demon a.k.a. Askthepizzaguy is otherwise a valid target for other actions. > \*\* > Good luck with that…\*\* > [@Demon Lord](#): > > If you value your disgusting lives, bring before me anyone who would try to bind me with their feeble chains and who would pretend to be my Master, and I will drag them back to Hell with me." Also, it’s not much of a Mafia game to sit around typing “Attack the Demon Lord” every day. I don’t understand why people are promoting the idea as a good thing. It seems much better for Townies to get together (for those of us who attempt to clear other Townies) and gang up to protect or attack an agreed target. I do not agree with Gadarene being a good target at this point, because he will put a lot of work into the game if he is Town. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480.md?page=28) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480.md?page=30)