# \[Mafia game\] The Realm of Phere **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 1, 2012, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480 "2012-04-01T15:04:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 30
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 6:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/581 "2012-04-10T06:31:16Z")
> [@PetW](#): > > We know that the demon can take damage, and that it appears to use 3on votes on a Townie. Unless you have a good reason for otherwise, I say that we focus our attacks on the demon. > Also, we can’t allow the vote totals to be close at the end, because apparently the demon will lynch a Townie that already has a high number of votes. Looks like it’ll need to be more unanimous to prevent what happened to Mosier. > Also, between Gadarenes tearful goodbye and his miraculous save at the end, I don’t trust him at all. There is something not quite right here and I’m not sure how to explain it properly. **Mosier** was 3rd in line for the lynch so are you trying to say that both **Gaderene** and **Astral** are scum? ---
**Author:** ![PetW](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d2c977/32.png) [@PetW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PetW)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 6:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/582 "2012-04-10T06:40:18Z")
> [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > There is something not quite right here and I’m not sure how to explain it properly. **Mosier** was 3rd in line for the lynch so are you trying to say that both **Gaderene** and **Astral** are scum? Not necessarily, it’d only make sense for scum/demon to lynch Mosier because if either/both Astral and Gadarene are Town they’re the most likely to get lynched. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 7:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/583 "2012-04-10T07:04:59Z")
> [@PetW](#): > > Not necessarily, it’d only make sense for scum/demon to lynch Mosier because if either/both Astral and Gadarene are Town they’re the most likely to get lynched. I think I am going to confuse myself here more than anyone else. This makes it seem more likely that **Gaderene** is Town then and that\*\* Astral\*\* is scum. If scum/demon had killed a Town\*\* Astral\*\* then **Gaderene** would have looked more suspicious as scum. BUT\*\* Gaderene\*\* has said that someone has told him that \*\*Astral \*\* is a soldier which sounds Townie but scum might have soldiers too. I feel as if I am rambling on here and I suppose I am, it helps to think out loud though. I’m not sure that I have a scummy take on \*\*Astral \*\* and **Gaderene** is starting to look more like Town to me. This could mean that the top 3 lynch contenders could all be Town, scum would love that. ---
**Author:** ![gnarlycharlie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/5f9b8f/32.png) [@gnarlycharlie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnarlycharlie)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 8:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/584 "2012-04-10T08:26:00Z")
> [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > I think I am going to confuse myself here more than anyone else. This makes it seem more likely that **Gaderene** is Town then and that\*\* Astral\*\* is scum. If scum/demon had killed a Town\*\* Astral\*\* then **Gaderene** would have looked more suspicious as scum. BUT\*\* Gaderene\*\* has said that someone has told him that \*\*Astral \*\* is a soldier which sounds Townie but scum might have soldiers too. > I feel as if I am rambling on here and I suppose I am, it helps to think out loud though. I’m not sure that I have a scummy take on \*\*Astral \*\* and **Gaderene** is starting to look more like Town to me. This could mean that the top 3 lynch contenders could all be Town, scum would love that. that’s certainly a possibility. at the moment, we can’t say one way or the other. ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 10:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/585 "2012-04-10T10:49:41Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > NETA: at least, I think Glee is the one who defended BobArghh. I could be misremembering. > [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > [li]Someone (Astral, by his own admission) attacked BobArrgh, but glee protects him and takes 13 damage[/li] > This would imply that the people protecting others do so by absorbing the damage that would otherwise have been inflicted upon their protectee. 1. **I didn’t protect anyone** (If I had, it would have meant I took 50% of the damage they would have taken.) I didn’t attack the Demon either. > [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > From the rules: > > “Characters generally begin as a Soldier or a Mage.” > > Given that, why do you think I’m the only soldier? 1. I’ve already declared I’m a Soldier. (I also would like my Pendant identified, but don’t have enough money to pay for it. And unless someone protected me, perhaps it’s a Protection device?) 2. Unless a Townie (or three!) comes forward to claim they cast the last-minute lynch votes, I assume it was the Traitor(s) and therefore they were protecting their own. That means the one or more of the leaders of the lynch voting just before that are traitors. 3. From my D+D experience, I assume the Demon is unkillable by us. :smack: There is also an alignment change for certain attacks. If I (Lawful Good Soldier) attack the Demon Lord, do I change alignment? How do I heal my damage? ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 10:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/586 "2012-04-10T10:51:10Z")
So fubbles – what’s your interest in gold? ---
**Author:** ![Weedy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/weedy/32/301_2.png) [@Weedy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weedy)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 11:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/587 "2012-04-10T11:17:32Z")
I forgot glee claimed Soldier. So he either protected someone (which he says he didn’t), or someone protected him (or some other mechanism we dont know about, I guess, made him take half damage). But no one is listed as protecting him, so that’s a bit weird. I’m suspicious of glee. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 11:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/588 "2012-04-10T11:20:01Z")
> [@Gadarene](#): > > This is bizarre logic, since until you spend time on it you’ll never _know_ whether damaging the demonlord will affect anything. I mean until someone comes forward and says, I have the ability to guage HP rates, the demonlord has 475 HP out of 600, I don’t see the point in attacking it. Until we have some idea of his scale, how do we know if we’re making progress versus wasting time? Scum, on the other hand would be more than happy to waste a day attacking someone who’s not them. ---
**Author:** ![fubbleskag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fubbleskag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fubbleskag)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 11:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/589 "2012-04-10T11:41:12Z")
> [@gnarlycharlie](#): > > first of all, how have you been? how’s the little one? now to less serious matters. you’ve shed light when **ATPG** was talking about gold. one more piece of the puzzle clarified. i’ll add you on AIM in case either one of us want to chat. [/QUOTE] thanks for asking! we’re all doing pretty good. the little one isn’t really so little anymore - at 9 months he weighed in at almost 24 lbs and is already 30 inches tall. he’s progressed rapidly from crawling to pulling up on stuff, marking three stitches above his right eye in the process, and is starting to walk with assistance the last couple weeks. I feel like an ass saying it, because it’s so tired and cliche, but it really does go by so fast. he’s also a pretty big deal on the internet lately. > [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > So fubbles – what’s your interest in gold? what’s your interest in my interest in gold? ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 11:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/590 "2012-04-10T11:44:35Z")
> [@Weedy](#): > > I forgot glee claimed Soldier. So he either protected someone (which he says he didn’t), or someone protected him (or some other mechanism we dont know about, I guess, made him take half damage). But no one is listed as protecting him, so that’s a bit weird. I’m suspicious of glee. You’re forgetting that if the elements align (im)properly, it can result in half damage. ---
**Author:** ![fubbleskag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fubbleskag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fubbleskag)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 11:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/591 "2012-04-10T11:52:24Z")
regarding the debate of whether or not to group attack the **Demon Lord** : my first thought is that **He** is most likely unkillable; he’s **ATPG’s** personal play thing in this game and seems to be playing a significant role in the color - I doubt he’d allow for him to be removed mid-game. but, let’s assume for the moment that **He** is killable - is there any advantage in doing so? my PM states that my win condition is that no further threats to Town exist. is he a threat to Town? if not, and he is killable, why? possibly a 3rd party’s win condition is to kill him? (if any of these wonderings have been previously answered in color or game, I’d appreciate a smack in the right direction) ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/592 "2012-04-10T12:22:11Z")
My “most likely Town” list, based just on “pinging,” includes Lightfoot, gnarlycharlie, Normal Phase, choie, GuiriEnEspaña, fubbleskag (just due to his special Power), and a few others. I don’t know how certain I should be of Towniness before proposing info exchange. Anyway, perhaps none of the above think I’m Townie, anyway. ☹ > [@fubbleskag](#): > > the little one isn’t really so little anymore - at 9 months he weighed in at almost 24 lbs and is already 30 inches tall. he’s progressed rapidly from crawling to pulling up on stuff, marking three stitches above his right eye in the process… > > what’s your interest in my interest in gold? My daughter is now choosing a University (time flies :smack: ) and my son is a smart active pre-teen. He’s no stitches yet, but I’ve almost started a IMHO thread “Tree-climbing and other gymnastics – Too dangerous?” I’m also curious what you’ll spend your money on, **fubbleskag** , though doubt you should answer in the public thread. Do you do inspections at Night? Does anyone else have services to offer for sale? ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 12:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/593 "2012-04-10T12:26:21Z")
> [@fubbleskag](#): > > what’s your interest in my interest in gold? I’m considering hiring you, obviously. ---
**Author:** ![Weedy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/weedy/32/301_2.png) [@Weedy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weedy)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/594 "2012-04-10T12:30:58Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > You’re forgetting that if the elements align (im)properly, it can result in half damage. For mage class or magically aligned characters, it says in the OP. I guess I am outing myself as a non-Soldier here. Didn’t someone claim Soldier? Maybe they could say whether or not they have an element. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 12:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/595 "2012-04-10T12:33:43Z")
Astral did, and someone talking to Gadarene. ---
**Author:** ![gnarlycharlie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/5f9b8f/32.png) [@gnarlycharlie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnarlycharlie)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/596 "2012-04-10T13:16:10Z")
> [@fubbleskag](#): > > thanks for asking! we’re all doing pretty good. the little one isn’t really so little anymore - at 9 months he weighed in at almost 24 lbs and is already 30 inches tall. he’s progressed rapidly from crawling to pulling up on stuff, marking three stitches above his right eye in the process, and is starting to walk with assistance the last couple weeks. I feel like an ass saying it, because it’s so tired and cliche, but it really does go by so fast. he’s also a pretty big deal on the internet lately. it’s definitely true. in what seems a blink of an eye, my baby boy is now four and i now have a 7-month girl. i dread the day that i post that she’s getting married. :eek: > [@septimus](#): > > My “most likely Town” list, based just on “pinging,” includes Lightfoot, gnarlycharlie, Normal Phase, choie, GuiriEnEspaña, fubbleskag (just due to his special Power), and a few others. > > I don’t know how certain I should be of Towniness before proposing info exchange. Anyway, perhaps none of the above think I’m Townie, anyway. ☹ > > My daughter is now choosing a University (time flies :smack: ) and my son is a smart active pre-teen. He’s no stitches yet, but I’ve almost started a IMHO thread “Tree-climbing and other gymnastics – Too dangerous?” > > I’m also curious what you’ll spend your money on, **fubbleskag** , though doubt you should answer in the public thread. Do you do inspections at Night? > > Does anyone else have services to offer for sale? good question. it’s not far fetched that someone else uses gold. maybe someone will PM you or post services in-thread. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/597 "2012-04-10T13:41:21Z")
> [@glee](#): > > 1. **I didn’t protect anyone** OOC: You’re right. **I have a big fat error in my list of actions. :smack:** **BobArrgh, you take 25 damage. Glee takes none.** :smack::smack: ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/598 "2012-04-10T13:46:25Z")
Anyway, folks, I regret the bone-headed error, and I can’t fix diddley squat in the thread itself since, well, I can’t edit anything. But I have Glee defending Bob instead of the obvious, which was supposed to be the other way around. So if you could all mentally correct your notes and say that Bob took 25 damage, and no one protected him, I’ll try not to shriek too loud from sheer embarrassment. ---
**Author:** ![Tanaer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tanaer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tanaer)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/599 "2012-04-10T13:46:33Z")
I was detained unduly down the track but do report for duty here forthwith - to take down any scoundrel, snick-a-snack! with trusty sword forged by a hardy smith. I can confirm that soldiers are indeed aligned with elemental types, dear Weed’! ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/600 "2012-04-10T14:04:03Z")
> [@PetW](#): > > We could waste a lot of time if it turns out the demon has a ton of hp. My gut says the demon isn’t going anywhere anytime soon. Like I said, if we work together we can basically have 2 lynches per Day, and maybe one during the Night, if we have enough firepower. > > **Who here wants to finish the lynch that should’ve happened at the end of Day 1? Attack Gadarene if you have the ability.** Underlined for emphasis. This is absolutely terrible. To begin with, I was wagoned on day one mostly because I wasn’t around and posting. I’ve been around toNight – are you seriously saying that you think I’m just as good as a lynch candidate now, so much so that everyone should be attacking me? Second of all, I’m a claimed power role. You really want to exhort everyone to attack me right now? How is that pro-Town at all? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480.md?page=29) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480.md?page=31)