# \[Mafia game\] The Realm of Phere **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 1, 2012, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480 "2012-04-01T15:04:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 31
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/601 "2012-04-10T14:06:06Z")
> [@PetW](#): > > We don’t know for sure. But if we lynch, in effect, 2 people per round, then we have a better chance of catching scum. Taking your logic to the extreme, we should just never lynch anybody, and let the scum kill us one by one. > Of course, nobody is advocating diffuse attacks on random people (in fact me and at least one other person have specifically advised against it) - that’s a strawman you just created. > > Your goodbye is difficult to parse, but like I said, it seemed a little cute. My “tearful” remark was sardonic. Go back and read my goodbye again. You’re reading into it things that aren’t there. Oh, by the way: diffuse attacks on random people is exactly what appears to have happened on Day One. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/602 "2012-04-10T14:08:20Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > I mean until someone comes forward and says, I have the ability to guage HP rates, the demonlord has 475 HP out of 600, I don’t see the point in attacking it. Until we have some idea of his scale, how do we know if we’re making progress versus wasting time? Scum, on the other hand would be more than happy to waste a day attacking someone who’s not them. We can just, y’know, PLAY MAFIA in the meantime, while using our attacks to chip away at what the color suggests is one of our primary antagonists. Basically, treat your ability to attack during the day as a sidebar to our main goal of hunting scum. That way we can do both things at once. If I know anything about Pizza’s color, I would be _very_ surprised if working together to defeat Lord Phere would not have good benefits for Town. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/603 "2012-04-10T14:09:34Z")
> [@Tanaer](#): > > I was detained unduly down the track > but do report for duty here forthwith - > to take down any scoundrel, snick-a-snack! > with trusty sword forged by a hardy smith. > > I can confirm that soldiers are indeed > aligned with elemental types, dear Weed’! \<3 ---
**Author:** ![gnarlycharlie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/5f9b8f/32.png) [@gnarlycharlie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnarlycharlie)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/604 "2012-04-10T14:32:56Z")
> [@Gadarene](#): > > Underlined for emphasis. > > This is absolutely terrible. To begin with, I was wagoned on day one mostly because I wasn’t around and posting. I’ve been around toNight – are you seriously saying that you think I’m just as good as a lynch candidate now, so much so that everyone should be attacking me? > > Second of all, I’m a claimed power role. You really want to exhort everyone to attack me right now? How is that pro-Town at all? did i miss your claim or did you say you weren’t a soldier? ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/605 "2012-04-10T14:35:40Z")
> [@gnarlycharlie](#): > > did i miss your claim or did you say you weren’t a soldier? I said I’m non-vanilla, and I said that the scum would do well to kill me sooner rather than later. Both of which are true. Let’s not give them help in doing it. ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/606 "2012-04-10T14:45:29Z")
> [@Weedy](#): > > For mage class or magically aligned characters, it says in the OP. I guess I am outing myself as a non-Soldier here. Didn’t someone claim Soldier? Maybe they could say whether or not they have an element. As I said, I’m a Soldier and I have an Element. ---
**Author:** ![gnarlycharlie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/5f9b8f/32.png) [@gnarlycharlie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnarlycharlie)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/607 "2012-04-10T14:45:43Z")
final list: 1. Mahaloth - male 2. Drain Bead - female 3. Suburban Plankton - male 4. Mosier - ? 5. Scathach - female 6. Fubbleskag - male 7. Weedy (aka Evene) - female 8. Gadarene - male 9. PetW - male 10. Astral Rejection - male 11. gnarlycharlie - male 12. NAF1138 - male 13. septimus - male 14. GuiriEnEspana - male 15. Inner Stickler - male 16. Lightfoot - female 17. Silver Jan - female 18. choie - female 19. BobArrgh - male 20. Tanaer - female 21. Red Skeezix - male 22. Normal Phase - female 23. MHaye - male 24. RealityTrip - male 25. Lilflower (aka Metallic Squink) - female 26. glee - male 27. Visorslash - male 28. storyteller0910 - male 29. ToeJam - male 30. Askthepizzaguy - undefined (this one still escapes me :p) ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/608 "2012-04-10T15:42:18Z")
Gadarene I think you are really reaching with some of your self-defense, like increasingly so. It’s not helpping. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/609 "2012-04-10T15:55:22Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > Gadarene I think you are really reaching with some of your self-defense, like increasingly so. It’s not helpping. Cool. You think it’s totally fine and not at all odd for PetW to advocate that everyone attack me toMorrow? Am I supposed to not respond to that at all? And what parts, exactly, do you think are reaching? My self-defense is as follows: (1) The case on me yesterday was flimsy. (2) The case on me yesterday was predicated at least in large part on me not being around to defend myself (lilflower in particular made this point when voting me). (3) I’m here now. (4) My tone has not been scummish – or, if it has, nobody has bothered to point it out or make a case on it that I can rebut. (5) There are data points towards my townieness, however little weight you want to put on them, including my dead post at end of Day and my willingness to share role information with you. (6) I am a claimed non-vanilla. (7) I have been active and trying to solve the game. What part of all of that makes me a good target for everyone to attack tomorrow? Again: PetW is advocating that everyone shoot me for no good reason that I can see. Can I not respond to that? ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/610 "2012-04-10T15:57:14Z")
I think I may have been clearing Normal too lightly. She is giving me not the slightest bit of credit for anything, and she hasn’t responded to my PM in any sort of particularly good faith way other than acknowledging the receipt of the information. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/611 "2012-04-10T16:06:58Z")
You can respond to the PetW thing all you want; it’s not what I’m referring to. I’m talking more about the bizarre insistence that it’s at all likely you were saved from the lynch by a townie. It’s just plain not. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/612 "2012-04-10T16:16:10Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > You can respond to the PetW thing all you want; it’s not what I’m referring to. I’m talking more about the bizarre insistence that it’s at all likely you were saved from the lynch by a townie. It’s just plain not. Put yourself in my shoes. Pretend you know with 100 percent certainty that I am a Townie. What, to you, are the most likely explanations for the three extra Mosier votes in that instance? Are you saying that “a Townie saved me” for one or more of the reasons I explicated yesterday is not at ALL a possibility? ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/613 "2012-04-10T16:17:59Z")
I mean, I went through and analyzed it in some detail. You can’t just refer to my “bizarre insistence” (which, by the way, is not an accurate characterization of my speculation) without actually, y’know, RESPONDING TO THE POINTS THAT I MADE. So maybe give that a shot instead of just tarring me blindly? ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/614 "2012-04-10T16:28:13Z")
I’ve discussed that already. If you’re a townie, I think the only explanation is some kind of a frame job, either with Astral as ACTUAL scum into the bargain, or with Astral as a townie as well.\* And if Astral is also a townie, I’d think either the traitor player is a total nutjob or the traitor role is hugely, immensely powerful such that using the votes that way would not be unreasonable. And I do have issues with the idea that such votes could be placed by a non-town actor every single day, that Pizza would set things up like that. It’s possible I might be wrong in any of my assumptions, and that that will become more clear as time passes. I’m marginally and waveringly willing for both you and Astral to remain unmolested for a day or so until some of these things might become more clear. But that’s why I can’t trust either of you further than I could throw a schoolbus. \*As an aside, people have brought up Visorslash as potential beneficiary, but I don’t think that holds. By the time Mosier became a reasonable alternative lynch, Visorslash no longer was in any real danger himself. I think. Somebody correct me if I’m remembering wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/615 "2012-04-10T16:32:23Z")
> [@gnarlycharlie](#): > > is it possible there’s only one scum? > > of course, that role would have to be fairly powered up. having three extra votes can be one of those. Knowing **Pizza** , anything is possible 🙂 More specifically, looking at the color, it’s possible there’s only one ‘Scum’, but if that’s the case there are almost certainly a number of different ‘non-Town’ factions, all of whom would likely be considered “threats to Town” from a wincon perspective…and all of whom would likely have their own different wincons. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/616 "2012-04-10T16:33:00Z")
(And as an aside, what did you expect me to say about your role in public? HE’S NOT VANILLA SOLDIER EVERYBODY, BACK OFF! (EXCEPT YOU SCUM, YOU CAN KILL HIM.) ?) I’m just curious. I’m not sure what to think about roles/claimed roles in general except that, this being a Pizza game, I am dead certain positive that he will have given the scum some way to protect themselves from role claims. To what extent they can truly act as the roles they claim and to what extent they have to hedge, I don’t know. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/617 "2012-04-10T16:35:00Z")
> [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > Yeah, quit rubbing it in! > > Chronological is not a relevant piece of information here, as all attack commands are issued simultaneously. > > However, I can clarify that no one leaped to mister Red Skeezix’ aid, and therefore, no one took damage on his behalf. If they did, it would be in the writeup. If he had leaped to someone’s defense, they would also be indicated. > > Therefore, it was a single attack on him, which he took the brunt of without a defender. \*\* OK…so to be more specific, when you tell us, for example: > [@](#): > > “I’ll protect you, Inner Stickler!” shouts someone else.“Yowza! Maybe I shouldn’t have done that!” > > GuiriEnEspana takes 50hp damage. does that \*necessarily \*mean “someone attacked **Inner Stickler** , but **Guiri** protected him, and as a result took 50 HP damage”? \*\* ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/618 "2012-04-10T16:37:42Z")
I’m almost positive that’s the case, based on a couple questions I asked by PM. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/619 "2012-04-10T16:40:19Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > (And as an aside, what did you expect me to say about your role in public? HE’S NOT VANILLA SOLDIER EVERYBODY, BACK OFF! (EXCEPT YOU SCUM, YOU CAN KILL HIM.) ?) > > I’m just curious. > > I’m not sure what to think about roles/claimed roles in general except that, this being a Pizza game, I am dead certain positive that he will have given the scum some way to protect themselves from role claims. To what extent they can truly act as the roles they claim and to what extent they have to hedge, I don’t know. I expected you to (a) modulate your tone with me (i.e., stop being so darn mistrustful), since I showed a good faith effort to share information with you; and (b) continue the PM correspondence by making a good faith effort of your own to respond in kind. You have done neither. You don’t need to take my PM at face value. You can, however, evaluate its credibility. You’re smart. You can make probabilistic determinations and take them into account when posting. You have not done so that I can see. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/620 "2012-04-10T16:40:26Z")
> [@glee](#): > > 1. **I didn’t protect anyone** > (If I had, it would have meant I took 50% of the damage they would have taken.) > I didn’t attack the Demon either. Are you confirming that a) you have a protective ability, and b) that it functions by redirecting 50% of the incoming damage from your target to yourself? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480.md?page=30) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480.md?page=32)