# \[Mafia game\] The Realm of Phere **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 1, 2012, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480 "2012-04-01T15:04:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 33
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/641 "2012-04-10T20:28:22Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > I think Gadarene is very likely to be Town, and so is Normal Phase. (If she were Scum, might she not instead toy with Gadarene’s affections? 😃 ) In my early game with Normal Phase, when she was the Town heroine, I demonstrated a Townish Power to her, almost at her insistence, and she remained skeptical. (Hi, **Scooby Doo**!) That’s the second time that game has come up recently, the other being a reminder of when Ed baited not one but two scum into voting for me by first doing so himself, at which point I all but flipped my gourd. Good times. > [@](#): > > I’m also inclined to think Inner Stickler gives off strong Town vibes, but have a question: In prior games when he was Town he tended to be quiet, but he is talkative in this game. I assume this is unrelated to alignment (perhaps due to RL), but could it possibly be Inner’s scum tell? IMO no; he’s been chatty as town – in De’endee for instance. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/642 "2012-04-10T20:31:09Z")
I agree with Gadarene about fubbles, though more from instinct/comparison with other Pizza-created roles than by any information I am privy to. What say you, fubbles, is it true? And can you be neutral in terms of information, or what else do you have in mind? ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/643 "2012-04-10T20:46:56Z")
> [@Gadarene](#): > > I have reason to believe that fubbleskag is neither Town- nor Scum-aligned. fubbles, what say you? You just in it for the gold and the wealth? Do you have some information that the rest of us are not privy to, or is this based solely on your interpretation of what’s been posted in the game thread? ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/644 "2012-04-10T20:52:22Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > Do you have some information that the rest of us are not privy to, or is this based solely on your interpretation of what’s been posted in the game thread? The former. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/645 "2012-04-10T21:09:06Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > \*\* > OK…so to be more specific, when you tell us, for example: > > does that \*necessarily \*mean “someone attacked **Inner Stickler** , but **Guiri** protected him, and as a result took 50 HP damage”? > \*\* That much should be clear from the writeup, but I’ll confirm just to be very clear. ---
**Author:** ![Weedy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/weedy/32/301_2.png) [@Weedy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weedy)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/646 "2012-04-10T22:01:31Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > \*Are \*you ‘outing yourself’ as a non-Soldier? You don’t seem quite sure in this post. That’s just the way I write. I am sure of my role, and it may or may not be Soldier, as far as other people are concerned. I guess. **Normal Phase** , the balance discussion is interesting. I didn’t realise that triple voters are uncommon. If Scum have a triple voter, then they can easily flip the wagons purely to create confusion. I was thinking that the traitor was a godfather, because he looks like he is from the Town, but he could be a lone Scum, and the people from the North and West are some kind of neutral team. But that makes less sense to me than them all being a Scum team together. We shall see, I guess. So **Glee** didn’t take any damage after all. Why did you protect him, **Bob**? ---
**Author:** ![BobArrgh](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobarrgh/32/2881_2.png) [@BobArrgh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobArrgh)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/647 "2012-04-10T22:16:00Z")
> [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > Anyway, folks, I regret the bone-headed error, and I can’t fix diddley squat in the thread itself since, well, I can’t edit anything. But I have Glee defending Bob **instead of the obvious, which was supposed to be the other way around**. So if you could all mentally correct your notes and say that Bob took 25 damage, and no one protected him, I’ll try not to shriek too loud from sheer embarrassment. I’m not sure that it was all that obvious. I’m a little put off that you exposed me like that. I think you could have said that I took 25 HP damage from protecting someone without mentioning who it was that I protected, unless this is the same as the person who protected Visorslash getting named. Anyway, yes, I protected Glee. I’m not prepared to say why at the moment. What’re you getting at? ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/648 "2012-04-10T22:16:16Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > I’m also inclined to think Inner Stickler gives off strong Town vibes, but have a question: In prior games when he was Town he tended to be quiet, but he is talkative in this game. I assume this is unrelated to alignment (perhaps due to RL), but could it possibly be Inner’s scum tell? While I am sure I have scum tells, although those who have intimated as much in previous games have been maddeningly mum on the subject when I’ve been around, I feel pretty confident that my chattiness is not one of them and in fact, the only time I remember that my level of garrulousness was a factor in getting lynched, it was Ed’s rerun of Julie’s Pod People game and I was scum, the master pod person in fact. (They lynched scum, but they lynched me for the wrong reason. I talked a lot on day 1 and not very much on day 2. They determined it was because I’d been recruited overnight when the real answer was day 1 was during a week I had off and day 2 was not. It kinda grated.) Ok. other thoughts now that story time is over. Fubble’s post about identifying objects for a fee strikes me as a)brazen and b)the attitude of a third party mercenary type player. I’m really curious why guiri chose to protect me. I appreciate the thought and all, but, I’ll be frank. If I were playing in a game with me, I probably wouldn’t bother to protect me. Ah well, I’m sure I’ll find out soon enough. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/649 "2012-04-10T22:18:52Z")
> [@BobArrgh](#): > > I’m not sure that it was all that obvious. I’m a little put off that you exposed me like that. I have to admit, I’m a little cheesed that apparently guarding gets revealed like that and attacking doesn’t. It seems like it give scum some pretty good ideas about who they should eliminate if they have these HP based day attacks. ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/650 "2012-04-10T22:36:04Z")
> [@BobArrgh](#): > > I’m not sure that it was all that obvious. I’m a little put off that you exposed me like that. I think you could have said that I took 25 HP damage from protecting someone without mentioning who it was that I protected, unless this is the same as the person who protected Visorslash getting named. Hey, why should you get special treatment when the color also made it clear that **Inner** protected **Visorslash** (twice, no less) and **Guiri** protected **Inner**? Speaking of which, forgive me for my craptastic memory, but **Guiri** , did you ever mention why you protected **Inner Stickler**? And also… **Inner** ’s explanation of why he protected **Visorslash** twice (albeit once unsuccessfully) was just that he likes him? ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/651 "2012-04-10T22:47:04Z")
Uh, I protected visorslash once. The fact that he was attacked twice, once by a physical attack and once by a magical attack doesn’t mean I am capable of multiple protections. And why not because I like him? I like most people in this game but I figured visorslash was a higher risk for damage and you’ll note, I was right. If I hadn’t guarded him, he would have had over twice the damage of the next highest damaged player. Someone here really doesn’t like visor. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/652 "2012-04-10T22:53:04Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > I have to admit, I’m a little cheesed that apparently guarding gets revealed like that and attacking doesn’t. It seems like it give scum some pretty good ideas about who they should eliminate if they have these HP based day attacks. Only if they don’t know that pretty much everyone can guard people, subject to varying restrictions. Which by this point I’m pretty sure they would have cottoned on to as soon as they compared their PMs/cover roles/etc. At this point I think it’s intended to function as an alibi thing, though a chancy one. ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/653 "2012-04-10T22:56:25Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Uh, I protected visorslash once. The fact that he was attacked twice, once by a physical attack and once by a magical attack doesn’t mean I am capable of multiple protections. That’s not what the color/narrative of the battle implies. Or am I misreading this? > [@](#): > > Lightfoot takes 25hp damage. > > “Hey! Cut it out!” Shrieks Lightfoot. > > \*\*“I’ll protect you, Visorslash!” shouts someone else. > > Inner Stickler takes 75hp damage.\*\* > “I’ll protect you, BobArrgh!” shouts another. > > Glee takes 13hp damage. > > **“I’ll protect you, Visorslash!” shouts Inner Stickler. “Woah! What the hell is that?” he says, diving out of the path of danger.** A magical orb hits Visorslash directly in the chest. > > Visorslash takes 100hp damage. Am I misreading this, since **pizzamod** basically stated that the order of the moves above is intentional cause/effect? > [@Inner Sticker](#): > > And why not because I like him? I like most people in this game but I figured visorslash was a higher risk for damage and you’ll note, I was right. If I hadn’t guarded him, he would have had over twice the damage of the next highest damaged player. Fair enough, I guess… I just wonder why you thought he’d need protection, and from whom. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/654 "2012-04-10T23:01:22Z")
I read it that when you are protecting some one it’s for the Whole Night. What ever comes ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/655 "2012-04-10T23:02:56Z")
[quote=“choie, post:653, topic:617480”] That’s not what the color/narrative of the battle implies. Or am I misreading this? Am I misreading this, since **pizzamod** It implies to me that Visor was attacked twice, not that I sent in two protections. > [@](#): > > Fair enough, I guess… I just wonder why you thought he’d need protection, and from whom. Because people were voting him for stupendously crap reasons and when the momentum shifted away from his lynch, I figured someone was going to be peeved and take their anger out on Visor. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/656 "2012-04-10T23:04:51Z")
Aww, I borked it. > [@choie](#): > > That’s not what the color/narrative of the battle implies. Or am I misreading this? It implies to me that Visor was attacked twice, not that I sent in two protections. ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/657 "2012-04-10T23:26:20Z")
Oh! Light dawns. Okay, that makes sense, if one’s protection is good for no matter how many attacks are made on the attackee. This makes me wonder why the second one didn’t work, but the first one did. I guess the first one was an attack by a player, whereas the second was via the demon? The color does say much of the damage was done by ourselves. ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/658 "2012-04-10T23:28:19Z")
On second reading, there’s no reason I should assume the second attack was the demon. It just says a magical orb of some kind. Could be a player, could be one of the demon’s army dudes, could be Phere himself. Is that right? ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/659 "2012-04-10T23:32:25Z")
> [@choie](#): > > Oh! Light dawns. Okay, that makes sense, if one’s protection is good for no matter how many attacks are made on the attackee. > > This makes me wonder why the second one didn’t work, but the first one did. I guess the first one was an attack by a player, whereas the second was via the demon? The color does say much of the damage was done by ourselves. Some can protect from physical damage some from magics? ---
**Author:** ![BobArrgh](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobarrgh/32/2881_2.png) [@BobArrgh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobArrgh)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2012, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/660 "2012-04-11T00:16:06Z")
> [@choie](#): > > Hey, why should you get special treatment when the color also made it clear that **Inner** protected **Visorslash** (twice, no less) and **Guiri** protected **Inner**? I addressed that aspect of the color when I said this: [QUOTE=bobarrgh] … unless this is the same as the person who protected Visorslash getting named … [/QUOTE] I was at work and wasn’t able to go back and re-read the N1 color, so I was going off of memory. I realize now that I could have worded that differently: “… unless this is the same [mechanism] as the [revealing of] the person who protected Visorslash getting named …” So, to summarize, if the standard mechanism is that if Person A guards/defends Person B and the color reveals the target of the guarding, then I’m fine with the way the correction was posted. It’s just that when I first read Pizzamod’s correction, I thought he had outed me as a guardian of some kind by mistake. So, my mistake, I’m not chaffed at Pizzamod for that. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480.md?page=32) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480.md?page=34)