# \[Mafia game\] The Realm of Phere **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 1, 2012, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480 "2012-04-01T15:04:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 40
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/781 "2012-04-12T02:40:10Z")
really you are bidding on items but it is not clear to me what the bids are… What’s it gonna cost ya if you win? ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/782 "2012-04-12T02:41:12Z")
> [@Visorslash](#): > > **Unvote; Vote: Sapphire ring to Fubbleskag** > [@fubbleskag](#): > > Vote: Emerald ring to Visorslash Well, I’m with you fellas. [/o brother where art thou] ---
**Author:** ![Visorslash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/ee59a6/32.png) [@Visorslash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Visorslash)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/783 "2012-04-12T02:42:16Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > I would third this, but you know what they say… > > - I don’t follow the church of the third vote \* so yes I will agree Third on the bandwagon is scum? 🙂 And on the bidding, I don’t think there is any. It’s just vote for items. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/784 "2012-04-12T02:44:21Z")
> [@fubbleskag](#): > > I am decidedly not a 3rd party. I am, however, very curious to know how you know of this win condition - as I’m sure the rest of town is as well. I’m respecting my sources at the moment. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/785 "2012-04-12T02:45:43Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > Quote: > Originally Posted by Visorslash > Unvote; Vote: Sapphire ring to Fubbleskag > > Quote: > Originally Posted by fubbleskag > Vote: Emerald ring to Visorslash > > Well, I’m with you fellas. > > [/o brother where art thou] This looks like a " get a room moment" ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/786 "2012-04-12T02:46:48Z")
> [@Visorslash](#): > > Third on the bandwagon is scum? 🙂 > > And on the bidding, I don’t think there is any. It’s just vote for items. I think I’d like a clarification. I can’t wrap how there will be a ‘winner’ otherwise ---
**Author:** ![fubbleskag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fubbleskag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fubbleskag)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/787 "2012-04-12T02:48:14Z")
> [@Gadarene](#): > > I’m respecting my sources at the moment. uh huh ---
**Author:** ![Visorslash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/ee59a6/32.png) [@Visorslash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Visorslash)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/788 "2012-04-12T02:49:21Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > I think I’d like a clarification. I can’t wrap how there will be a ‘winner’ otherwise Whoever has the most item votes gets the item. ---
**Author:** ![fubbleskag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fubbleskag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fubbleskag)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/789 "2012-04-12T02:50:19Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > I think I’d like a clarification. I can’t wrap how there will be a ‘winner’ otherwise seriously? ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/790 "2012-04-12T03:02:12Z")
> [@Visorslash](#): > > Whoever has the most item votes gets the item. > [@fubbleskag](#): > > seriously? Apparently I missed something. Players that want the item will vote themselves So it becomes a popularity contest – I vote you your item you vote me my item? I guess I read that bit wrong then. ( perhaps) I’m not sure I like the mechanic IF that is how it works. L00k guys, Scum is getting all the items ( see how that could play out?) ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/791 "2012-04-12T03:05:38Z")
Though I’m assuming he’s asking everyone, in the interests of full disclosure, **fubbleskag** is offering a tit-for-tat arrangement re: these items. “You vote for me and I’ll vote for you.” My apologies to you for blabbing, but to paraphrase Homer Simpson in one of his surprisingly lucid moments: “Sorry, **fubbleskag** , but I don’t go in for these backdoor shenanigans. Sure, I’m flattered, maybe even a little curious, but the answer is no.” I’m not jeopardizing my alignment with such under-the-table activities! ---
**Author:** ![Visorslash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/ee59a6/32.png) [@Visorslash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Visorslash)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/792 "2012-04-12T03:10:32Z")
How exactly are you jeopardising your alignment? ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/793 "2012-04-12T03:11:16Z")
I would like to have an item ( blue is a good colour for me) but I won’t make a deal with an unknown for said item. my comment above outlines the risk? - that said my playtime is over for this -clock-night. I bid you fair winds \* ---
**Author:** ![fubbleskag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fubbleskag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fubbleskag)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/794 "2012-04-12T03:11:47Z")
speaking of alignment, “Good” doesn’t necessarily mean “Town” - so we shouldn’t be making any assumptions about the Towniness of any of our dead brethren so far, I should think. ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/795 "2012-04-12T03:15:56Z")
> [@Visorslash](#): > > How exactly are you jeopardising your alignment? Because it’s underhanded rather than out-in-the-open. I have no idea what **fubbleskag** ’s motives are, nor what he plans on doing with these items. I’m not saying I’m a Paladin or someone who has to behave perfectly at all times, but there’s something skeevy about this whole thing, and all in all I’d rather not risk losing any alignment points over something so ethically nebulous. In short, it’s just not “cricket.” ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/796 "2012-04-12T03:17:01Z")
> [@Gadarene](#): > > I know that a Third Party win condition in this game is to amass wealth. That seems to fit in with your overriding motivation so far. > > I ask again: are you Third Party? would items be considered as wealth as well? methinks so ---
**Author:** ![gnarlycharlie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/5f9b8f/32.png) [@gnarlycharlie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnarlycharlie)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/797 "2012-04-12T03:17:36Z")
> [@fubbleskag](#): > > I am decidedly not a 3rd party. I am, however, very curious to know how you know of this win condition - as I’m sure the rest of town is as well. what i’d like to know is how he knew on D1 or was it N1? so this resource has a Day power? > [@choie](#): > > Though I’m assuming he’s asking everyone, in the interests of full disclosure, **fubbleskag** is offering a tit-for-tat arrangement re: these items. “You vote for me and I’ll vote for you.” > > My apologies to you for blabbing, but to paraphrase Homer Simpson in one of his surprisingly lucid moments: “Sorry, **fubbleskag** , but I don’t go in for these backdoor shenanigans. Sure, I’m flattered, maybe even a little curious, but the answer is no.” > > I’m not jeopardizing my alignment with such under-the-table activities! i’m not sure what you’re worried about. barring recruitment, you can’t become scum or town because of an alignment change. at least that’s that’s how i understand it. all you’ve done is imply you have a class that requires a specific alignment and therefore not vanilla. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/798 "2012-04-12T03:19:18Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > would items be considered as wealth as well? > methinks so According to my information, yes. Gold and items. ---
**Author:** ![fubbleskag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fubbleskag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fubbleskag)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/799 "2012-04-12T03:20:44Z")
> [@choie](#): > > Because it’s underhanded rather than out-in-the-open. I have no idea what **fubbleskag** ’s motives are, nor what he plans on doing with these items. I’m not saying I’m a Paladin or someone who has to behave perfectly at all times, but there’s something skeevy about this whole thing, and all in all I’d rather not risk losing any alignment points over something so ethically nebulous. > > In short, it’s just not “cricket.” something isn’t automatically underhanded just because it takes place outside the game thread; I know that this is a foreign concept on the dope, but it’s something **ATPG** has done more than once elsewhere > [@LightFoot](#): > > would items be considered as wealth as well? > methinks so I would expect so as well. ---
**Author:** ![fubbleskag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fubbleskag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fubbleskag)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/800 "2012-04-12T03:25:57Z")
> [@Gadarene](#): > > According to my information, yes. Gold and items. how about you just share **all** your information with us, rather than playing 20 questions - you can do that without revealing your “source”. refusing to share information that that the rest of us don’t have seems anti-Town to me. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480.md?page=39) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480.md?page=41)