# \[Mafia game\] The Realm of Phere **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 1, 2012, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480 "2012-04-01T15:04:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 42
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 8:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/821 "2012-04-12T08:45:54Z")
> [@Gadarene](#): > > So since both Inner and Glee were “slain by Demon Lord Phere,” does that maybe suggest that we _should_ be attacking him, if he is the focal point of the attacks against us? As others have said, I suspect this is just color for the scum kill although two kills give me pause. > [@Visorslash](#): > > Anyway, I did attack Lord Shitforbrains. Do you know if the attack had any effect on your moral or law alignment? If so, if there’s no better target, this could be a preferable way to shift alignment without shooting at random. > [@Visorslash](#): > > Nice try to kill me once again. 😃 > > Stayin’ Alive! You’ve lost 200 hp and are still alive, wow! > [@choie](#): > > I, er, take it **Guiri** _was_ healed by someone else, rather than his own powers, though I guess there’s no way of knowing either way. Someone else, and thank you whoever you are. > [@choie](#): > > Sad that our previous Night’s revelations re: who protected whom seems to have scared everyone off from **Inner** and **glee** –and I wonder if it’s a coincidence that Phere went after them, when the previous Night these two who had been protected. Possibly they thought that Bob and I knew something about Glee and Inner which made them worth protecting. Or possibly they wanted to prevent Glee from finding out about that pendant. @ Fubbles, did Inner contact you about his object? > [@choie](#): > > Maybe he (the demon) figured out that **Guiri** and **Bob** weren’t planning on repeating their protections, especially since the protecting action is being publicized. Everyone’s clearly now afraid of having our actions revealed! Or maybe it simply wasn’t an option. > [@choie](#): > > I’m not jeopardizing my alignment with such under-the-table activities! Do you have any reason to believe that voting for objects would affect your alignment? I prefer for these activities to be held under the table as then they don’t clutter up the thread. > [@fubbleskag](#): > > speaking of alignment, “Good” doesn’t necessarily mean “Town” - so we shouldn’t be making any assumptions about the Towniness of any of our dead brethren so far, I should think. Maybe, but the mod specifically said “there was nothing sinister about [them]” for Mosier, Glee and Inner so for now I’m willing to believe they were not threats to Town. > [@septimus](#): > > As I’ve said, I think Lightfoot, gnarlycharlie, Normal Phase, choie, and GuiriEnEspaña are all Townies Do you have any thoughts on who is scum? ---
**Author:** ![Visorslash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/ee59a6/32.png) [@Visorslash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Visorslash)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 9:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/822 "2012-04-12T09:17:45Z")
I don’t think attacking the demon gained or lost me and alignment thingy. ---
**Author:** ![fubbleskag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fubbleskag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fubbleskag)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 11:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/823 "2012-04-12T11:22:25Z")
occurred to me randomly this morning that the **Demon Lord** seems to be carrying out both the Town lynches and the Scum night kill(s?), so I don’t expect to be able to kill **Him** as doing so would render the game severely broken in my opinion ---
**Author:** ![Visorslash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/ee59a6/32.png) [@Visorslash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Visorslash)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 11:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/824 "2012-04-12T11:50:41Z")
**Vote: Gadarene** Just putting my vote down. Back later. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 12:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/825 "2012-04-12T12:21:48Z")
I want MHaye dead, and it’s killing me how little attention Astral has gotten since he was almost lynched. **vote: MHaye** ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 12:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/826 "2012-04-12T12:31:00Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > This is a good observation, though I suppose one could make the argument that Scum would almost by necessity be Evil. > > Regarding the Day’s other news… > > Obviously, \*\*fubbleskag \*\*and \*\*Visorslash \*\*worked out a deal with each other to try to acquire a couple items Today. > > Whatever. > > Anybody who doesn’t like it can just do something like this: > > **Pendant: Suburban Plankton > Sapphire: Suburban Plankton > Emerald: Suburban Plankton** > And while we’re at it > > **vote Gadarene** > > Either open up your magic bag and let us see what’s inside, or shut up. Besides, my cat assures me you’re Scum. Bite me, jackass. I don’t have a magic bag. The person who told me this stuff can elaborate himself, if he wants. I’m not acting as a mouthpiece for hearsay any more. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/827 "2012-04-12T12:32:39Z")
> [@Visorslash](#): > > **Vote: Gadarene** > > Just putting my vote down. Back later. Sigh. GIVE SOME ACTUAL REASONING, PLEASE. This is so tilting. I’ve participated a ton and the people who are voting me are giving bullsh\*t reasons or none at all. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 12:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/828 "2012-04-12T12:35:15Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > Do you have any thoughts on who is scum? Town-hunting is always easier than scum-hunting and identifying Town is _ **particularly important** _ in this game due to PM exchange ability, protections, awarding deads’ tools, etc. I had a slight scum lean on **Astral** D1, which hasn’t changed. The case against **MHaye** looks plausible; I’ll study it over the coming hours and may join that bandwagon. I live in Thailand which is entering its annual Songkran Water Festival. There’s a chance I may end up inebriated, participating in infamous mud orgies, and incommunicado … 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Visorslash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/ee59a6/32.png) [@Visorslash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Visorslash)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 12:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/829 "2012-04-12T12:38:07Z")
> [@Gadarene](#): > > Sigh. GIVE SOME ACTUAL REASONING, PLEASE. This is so tilting. I’ve participated a ton and the people who are voting me are giving bullsh\*t reasons or none at all. A famous man, our host, once said something along the lines of scum are more likely to get frustrated when things like this happen. I said LATER. Let me enjoy the remnants of my life. ---
**Author:** ![fubbleskag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fubbleskag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fubbleskag)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 12:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/830 "2012-04-12T12:38:42Z")
> [@ToeJam](#): > > I gotta agree. I’m just not sitting well with the fact that secret negotiations are being carried out behind the threads without a good paper trail. you are playing the wrong mafia game, then. and if this is the basis for your FOS, then you need to wag your other 9 fingers as well - there are plenty of people taking part in out of thread conversations; if you’re not, you’re in the minority. ---
**Author:** ![fubbleskag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fubbleskag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fubbleskag)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/831 "2012-04-12T12:43:45Z")
> [@Gadarene](#): > > Bite me, jackass. I don’t have a magic bag. The person who told me this stuff can elaborate himself, if he wants. **Visor** you seem to be a lightning rod for insults, poor fellow. > [@Gadarene](#): > > I’m not acting as a mouthpiece for hearsay any more. graped for truth > [@septimus](#): > > I live in Thailand which is entering its annual Songkran Water Festival. There’s a chance I may end up inebriated, participating in infamous mud orgies, and incommunicado … 😃 inebriated and participating in a mud orgy sounds like the perfect time to be posting here, just for the record. ---
**Author:** ![Visorslash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/ee59a6/32.png) [@Visorslash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Visorslash)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/832 "2012-04-12T13:07:26Z")
> [@fubbleskag](#): > > **Visor** you seem to be a lightning rod for insults, poor fellow. > > graped for truth > > inebriated and participating in a mud orgy sounds like the perfect time to be posting here, just for the record. To be fair, that was one of the few insults in this thread _not_ directed at me. That was to Suburban Plankton. ---
**Author:** ![Weedy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/weedy/32/301_2.png) [@Weedy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weedy)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/833 "2012-04-12T13:26:27Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > As I’ve said, I think Lightfoot, gnarlycharlie, Normal Phase, choie, and GuiriEnEspaña are all Townies, and I hope some of them advertise their desire to win one of the magic items. If other Townies cooperate, at least we can ensure these items don’t pass to Scum or 3rd Parties. I don’t think Astral Rejection should be getting an item today, given the way the lynch went yesterday. I’d vote to prevent that. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/834 "2012-04-12T13:34:15Z")
Good thing nobody’s talking about giving me one, then! ---
**Author:** ![PetW](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d2c977/32.png) [@PetW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PetW)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/835 "2012-04-12T13:51:15Z")
So far the scum have managed to kill 3 of us, and we haven’t lynched a single person yet. We have a 0% chance of finding scum if we continue this way. I propose the following strategy: 1. Vote as normal. 2. Tally votes by the beginning of the last (lowercase) dayparking before nightfall. 3. Agree as a group to place all of our votes on the leader, regardless of personal belief, to create a strong enough majority to ensure a real lynch and prevent a repeat of Day 1. We need to get organized. \*\* Vote Gadarene \*\*: I wasn’t on this bandwagon until I saw his “go get 'ema Town” goodbye. Now he claims to notthe be vanilla, coyly brags about this secret information he has from unnamed sources, yet scum didn’t bother targetting him. My #1last scum suspect for now. Fubbleskag is my #2, and that’s purely because I think anyone whose primary (and secondary and tertiary, apparently) goals are greed, must not be up to any good. I’m afraid of what he may be rewarded with when he acquires too much wealth. To simply have some merchant-type class who simply wins by collecting X amount of gold seems a little pointless and trite to me. I have a feeling Askthepizzaguy has a twist in there somewhere. Visorslash is now my #3. I realize it’s in his character to be boastful and abrasive, but I think the degree to which he’s done so is scummy. Also, as I mentioned earlier, his tone seemed to turn in the sign up threads right around the time PMs came out. ---
**Author:** ![PetW](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d2c977/32.png) [@PetW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PetW)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/836 "2012-04-12T13:52:26Z")
Please let me know if you’re with me on consolidating votes before Nightfall. ---
**Author:** ![PetW](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d2c977/32.png) [@PetW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PetW)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/837 "2012-04-12T13:54:21Z")
Please forgive the weird words that get inserted at the end of some words, I’m still working from my phone. It’s looking like my computer won’t be fixed for a while ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/838 "2012-04-12T14:09:26Z")
> [@PetW](#): > > So far the scum have managed to kill 3 of us, and we haven’t lynched a single person yet. We have a 0% chance of finding scum if we continue this way. I propose the following strategy: > > 1. Vote as normal. > 2. Tally votes by the beginning of the last (lowercase) dayparking before nightfall. > 3. Agree as a group to place all of our votes on the leader, regardless of personal belief, to create a strong enough majority to ensure a real lynch and prevent a repeat of Day 1. > We need to get organized. > > \*\* Vote Gadarene \*\*: I wasn’t on this bandwagon until I saw his “go get 'ema Town” goodbye. Now he claims to notthe be vanilla, coyly brags about this secret information he has from unnamed sources, yet scum didn’t bother targetting him. My #1last scum suspect for now. > > Fubbleskag is my #2, and that’s purely because I think anyone whose primary (and secondary and tertiary, apparently) goals are greed, must not be up to any good. I’m afraid of what he may be rewarded with when he acquires too much wealth. To simply have some merchant-type class who simply wins by collecting X amount of gold seems a little pointless and trite to me. I have a feeling Askthepizzaguy has a twist in there somewhere. > > Visorslash is now my #3. I realize it’s in his character to be boastful and abrasive, but I think the degree to which he’s done so is scummy. Also, as I mentioned earlier, his tone seemed to turn in the sign up threads right around the time PMs came out. Excuse me while I say “BAH”. **unvote, vote PetW** I may switch back to MHaye or even elsewhere, but this deserves formal recognition. On my way out, back in a bit. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/839 "2012-04-12T14:38:34Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Town-hunting is always easier than scum-hunting and identifying Town is _ **particularly important** _ in this game due to PM exchange ability, protections, awarding deads’ tools, etc. > > I had a slight scum lean on **Astral** D1, which hasn’t changed. The case against **MHaye** looks plausible; I’ll study it over the coming hours and may join that bandwagon. > > I live in Thailand which is entering its annual Songkran Water Festival. There’s a chance I may end up inebriated, participating in infamous mud orgies, and incommunicado … 😃 I agree completely with the first paragraph, and I’m very jealous of the third paragraph. > [@Visorslash](#): > > A famous man, our host, once said something along the lines of scum are more likely to get frustrated when things like this happen. > > I said LATER. Let me enjoy the remnants of my life. This is ridiculous. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/840 "2012-04-12T14:55:05Z")
> [@Gadarene](#): > > Bite me, jackass. I don’t have a magic bag. The person who told me this stuff can elaborate himself, if he wants. I’m not acting as a mouthpiece for hearsay any more. Maybe you shouldn’t have started acting as a mouthpiece in the first place. You’re the one who claimed to have ‘inside information’, then as soon as you were called on it you started backpedaling. So…do you _know_ something about **fubbleskag** , or don’t you? If you do, then what’s the point of telling us that you know _something_, but not telling us what it is? You could have PM’ed fubbleskag if you didn’t want to make it public. And if you don’t actually know anything, then what was the point of your accusation? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480.md?page=41) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480.md?page=43)