# \[Mafia game\] The Realm of Phere **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 1, 2012, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480 "2012-04-01T15:04:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 45
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/881 "2012-04-12T17:52:19Z")
**Bob** , I believe it’s possible to change your elemental alignment. Please look into the details – assuming you can do it today with no negative side-effects it should protect you from a targeted attack on that basis. Even though I think every one of your assumptions is likely to be incorrect, your explanation does ring true to me. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/882 "2012-04-12T17:54:22Z")
> [@BobArrgh](#): > > Well, nuts … I just realized that those pretty items we are voting on can go two ways. I certainly proceeded thinking that it was desirable to vote on a precious and win it. Thus, people voting to give the item to someone else could be seen as a “friendly” thing to do. > > However, it is equally possible that an item is poisonous, or a type of bomb, and voting to give someone an item (especially if one knows that said item is toxic) is actually an attack. > > Unvote I wouldn’t find that much of a concern, especially given their original owners seem to have possessed them without a problem. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/883 "2012-04-12T17:56:43Z")
> [@Gadarene](#): > > Everyone’s a critic. People have made it abundantly clear that they don’t think I’m playing very well this game, but feel free to pile on. Gad, if it makes you feel better, I think you’re playing quite well. But I was told that if I was town, I was doing the scum’s job for them, so take my compliments with a grain of salt. 😃 (Choie, I kid!) ((snuggling is a scum tell)) (((actual case making comes when I get home from work. I’ve got some thoughts, and I’ll try to keep it as free from my usual baseless assumptions as possible!))) ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/884 "2012-04-12T18:00:04Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > Gad, if it makes you feel better, I think you’re playing quite well. But I was told that if I was town, I was doing the scum’s job for them, so take my compliments with a grain of salt. 😃 > > (Choie, I kid!) > > ((snuggling is a scum tell)) > > (((actual case making comes when I get home from work. I’ve got some thoughts, and I’ll try to keep it as free from my usual baseless assumptions as possible!))) \<3 That does make me feel better; thanks. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![realitytrip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d78d45/32.png) [@realitytrip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/realitytrip)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/885 "2012-04-12T18:02:42Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > I wouldn’t find that much of a concern, especially given their original owners seem to have possessed them without a problem. Yes, I agree with this. I think the only elemental issue with the items would be that if an item were associated with an element (e.g. blue item=water) that its effects would be modified by the person who was receiving them. That is, if a blue item was water it would be more effective at damaging a fire aligned person and less effective at healing a fire aligned person depending on what the item did, if it did anything at all. But I don’t think you have to worry about an item in your possession harming you. ---
**Author:** ![gnarlycharlie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/5f9b8f/32.png) [@gnarlycharlie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnarlycharlie)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/886 "2012-04-12T18:17:33Z")
> [@Gadarene](#): > > **Pizza, can we quote (or purport to quote) from PMs with other players? Did I already ask you this? I forget.** i believe we can. it’s only our role PMs we cannot. there is a caveat though that PMs are easily faked. > [@septimus](#): > > \*\*Vote: Emerald Ring to choie > Vote: Blue Pendant to gnarlycharlie > Vote: Sapphire Ring to LightFoot > > Vote: Present\*\* cool! **Blue Pendant: gnarlycharlie** > [@NAF1138](#): > > Hey everyone, just posting to say that I am right in the middle of preping my second final project for the semester and will be too busy to play for…probably the rest of the Day. I promise that I will be here for Day 3 and that I will be caught up and ready to play for a little while at least. > > In the absence of a quality vote to put down I will vote to > > \*\* abstain \*\* > > I haven’t read the thread at all since my last posting, and I am not going to put my name to a vote I don’t have a feel for. i hope you eventually vote for someone. abstain votes, in general, don’t sit well with me. > [@PetW](#): > > So far the scum have managed to kill 3 of us, and we haven’t lynched a single person yet. > > snipped assuming the three kills were by scum because the Demon Lord killed them all or PIS slip? let’s put more pressure. **Vote: PetW** ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/887 "2012-04-12T18:21:33Z")
> [@gnarlycharlie](#): > > assuming the three kills were by scum because the Demon Lord killed them all or PIS slip? let’s put more pressure. Which do you think is more likely? Only one of those options would warrant a vote. For the record, I think scum point out “scum slips” more often than town players. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/888 "2012-04-12T18:24:23Z")
> [@fubbleskag](#): > > **are we allowed to vote for ourselves? are we allowed to vote on more than one item?** Yes, and yes. And you may also vote for the lynch as well. Each individual thing can receive a separate and valid vote. ---
**Author:** ![PetW](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d2c977/32.png) [@PetW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PetW)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/889 "2012-04-12T18:26:24Z")
I’m assuming they were scum because 1. Only Town were killed and 2. A townie was killed in a fashion that still keeps the top 2 lynch candidates under suspicion. If the top 2 lynch candidates are spared and a relatively innocuous townie is killed, that seems pretty indicative of scum. It is possible, of course, that the extra votes were townie, but I doubt it. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/890 "2012-04-12T18:26:54Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > \*\* RE: the bidding process. Should there be an amount included? other than just the item and name? > If not what is the reserve on these items? \*\* > > I don’t care to bid if I don’t know how much I am bidding There is no gold involved. Whoever receives the most votes for the item gets the item. Identical to the lynch vote, except you get an item instead of an untimely demise. ---
**Author:** ![gnarlycharlie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/5f9b8f/32.png) [@gnarlycharlie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnarlycharlie)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/891 "2012-04-12T18:33:08Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > Which do you think is more likely? Only one of those options would warrant a vote. > > For the record, I think scum point out “scum slips” more often than town players. that belief cycles. first those with what seemed to be PIS were scum. then those who point it out were scum. then it’s the one who fingers the one who points out the slips. it’s really not reliable just like the 3rd vote is scum. you know, i can point you to a certain game where i made similar accusations and was town. 😛 gotta to see the reaction. i’ll see if i move my vote or not. pressure is good, unless it’s on you. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/892 "2012-04-12T18:36:16Z")
> [@fubbleskag](#): > > **does an item vote count as a vote toward experience?** Yes. It shows participation and an interest in the outcome of the game, and prevents the lurk through the entire game strategy which I so despise since it kills discussion. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/893 "2012-04-12T18:36:46Z")
You were third vote also. \>\> ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/894 "2012-04-12T18:39:53Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > You were third vote also. \>\> That tell was remarkably accurate during Mystery Mafia, if I recall correctly. Obviously confirmation bias, so we don’t remember when it’s not the case, but still. ---
**Author:** ![gnarlycharlie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/5f9b8f/32.png) [@gnarlycharlie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnarlycharlie)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/895 "2012-04-12T18:40:59Z")
> [@PetW](#): > > I’m assuming they were scum because 1. Only Town were killed and 2. A townie was killed in a fashion that still keeps the top 2 lynch candidates under suspicion. > If the top 2 lynch candidates are spared and a relatively innocuous townie is killed, that seems pretty indicative of scum. It is possible, of course, that the extra votes were townie, but I doubt it. why not a vig for one of the kills? ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/896 "2012-04-12T18:43:56Z")
Yeah, in mystery mafia all us scum were gravitating toward third vote like we got free pizza and beer for it or something. _facepalm_ ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/897 "2012-04-12T18:44:50Z")
> [@Gadarene](#): > > **Pizza, can we quote (or purport to quote) from PMs with other players? Did I already ask you this? I forget.** Yes, you may. I like the word purport. ---
**Author:** ![ToeJam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/dfb087/32.png) [@ToeJam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ToeJam)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/898 "2012-04-12T18:45:43Z")
> [@BobArrgh](#): > > I am a Townie with an Elemental alignment of Water. I have a blue item. Since **Glee** had a blue item, I inferred that he and I were of the same alignment. I protected him on D1 because I thought that he and I had an affinity through our Elemental alignment. I also wanted to see what using my Guard ability did. > > I still don’t know what the Elemental alignment means. I was (probably naively) assuming that birds of a feather have the same Elemental alignment. That is, if I am Water and Town and I find another Water person, then that person is also Town. I am basically interpreting the Elemental alignment as a sort-of Masonry. Actually, my thoughts on the elementals- This is very similar to D&D so far. Good/Neutral/Chaotic are 3 aspects in the D&D world. I believe these roles are separate from our Mafia world of Town/Scum/PFK and 3rd party. I think half the confusion is people are trying to mix their D&D and their Mafia speak. Basically we’re all given Elemental aspects, and alignments as well. I don’t think Moral/Law Alignments=Elementals=Classes=Game alignments. The whole point of D&D is multiple types of beings can exist. There are lawful good creatures and lawful evil creatures. There are chaotic good creatures, and chaotic evil creatures. Some Jobs may be restricted to certain alignments that’s for sure, but still, again- to make the assumption “Water= Townie” because YOU may be town, is not a wise one. All LAWFUL things are not good, nor All Chaotic things bad, and only Sith deal in such absolutes. Elementals more likely work in regards to powers- the double damage/half damage system that AskthePizzaGuy noted. And may play a role in certain powers being boosted or decreased (that’s my guess on where items fall into this role). Also as someone has asked Visor about alignments and all: Remember: **AskthePizzaGuy** said it’ll take TWO actions to change alignments. It’s highly unlikely people have begun changing alignments just yet- it’d take most likely 2 days of a certain action or behavior to even try to guess if alignment shifts are noted. Unless someone had a Day and night attack power or a day and night guard power. but I doubt that’s the case, as that seems highly unusual. :Shrug: Just my two cents. And **Vote Septimust** for his Townie list. I dislike lists. Lists are manipulative by their very nature. Sure it may be easier to ID townies, but it’s even easier to do so if you’re scum. Then it’s an easy way to snuggle up with some people by saying “Hey, I think you’re Town too!”, the first thing I do when I hear someone things I’m town- is suspect WHY do they think that? What makes them so sure that I’m town even if I AM town? So at the worst- you’re scum trying to buy up some safety by smudging people you know may be town, and throwing in a scumbuddy or two into that list to also help you out. At best- you’re a clueless townie who’s helping scum to manipulate you better by seeing who needs to act more townie towards you and who you find less suspicious. You’re just opening yourself up to given them an easier time to use you. I don’t think you’re that much of a newbie player, though I admit I’ve not played with you before, but I AM paranoid enough to vote ya for it early on in the Day. ---
**Author:** ![PetW](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d2c977/32.png) [@PetW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PetW)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/899 "2012-04-12T18:46:02Z")
I didn’t think of that, I just assumed it was scum because during the night 2 townies were killed. I did think it was odd that one was by a “frenzied attacker”, maybe that is a vig. This is my second game of mafia by the way, so I’m not well versed in the different standard roles, although I did read about vigilantes when I was preparing for my first game. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/900 "2012-04-12T18:48:06Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > Yeah, in mystery mafia all us scum were gravitating toward third vote like we got free pizza and beer for it or something. _facepalm_ You certainly got plenty of pizza, during my brief stay. 😃 I don’t think I’ve been that successful and dead-on accurate in the early part of any massive game, ever. Fear me, **Brewha**. Fear me. And especially you fake alignment cops. Fear me with your fake detective results that I do not buy! HAHAHAHAHA [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480.md?page=44) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480.md?page=46)