# \[Mafia game\] The Realm of Phere **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 1, 2012, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480 "2012-04-01T15:04:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 47
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/921 "2012-04-12T20:29:33Z")
Sorry, just noticed **pizzaguy** ’s post now since I was busy playing Rainman with my post counts. Holy crap, this game just entered the fathoms-deep side of the “WTF” pool. And it wasn’t exactly hanging out in the shallow section of this particular pool in the first place. **Normal** , **MHaye** has made so few posts… not few enough to be called non-participatory, but still, not a lot to work with. Can you elaborate a tad on why you’re aiming your phasers (set to kill, not stun) on him? If it’s the same stuff you mentioned in your first argument, no need to repeat it, I’ll just double-back and re-check there. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/922 "2012-04-12T20:30:05Z")
As I’ve said, the mechanics of this game make it much more important to identify Townies than usual. I see it as pro-Town to share one’s opinions of others’ Townishness. Presumably Scum already know who Scum are! (I do understand that Scum might also wish to post a “Townie list”.) My Town-tells are mostly just intuition of their tone and sincerity. I’ve played with Lightfoot when she’s been Town and Scum, and her tone seems Townish. Obviously I could be being fooled. My take that choie and charlie are posting as sincere Townies is similar (though I don’t think I’ve played when choie was scum). There are a few other players I’m leaning Town on … though apparently I’m now being told it would be scummish to mention who they are. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/923 "2012-04-12T20:30:33Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > Drain Bead’s replacement is actually Believerer, my friend from another forum. I imagine he’ll be along sooner or later. I don’t know who Bumbershoot is. Oh crap, you’re right. I’m sorry about that. Then wait, who _is_ **Bumbershoot**?! ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/924 "2012-04-12T20:31:26Z")
> [@choie](#): > > **Bumbershoot** 2 - more understandable since he’s a substitute IIRC (for **Drain Bead** ). Still, get in and get chatting, sir (or ma’am)! Bumbershoot just popped in to comment on the board issues… I suspect you’re thinking of Believerer, who has yet to post. > [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > Drain Bead is replaced by Believerer > [@choie](#): > > **Mahaloth** 2 - of all the silent players, this one strikes me as the oddest. He knows his way around and isn’t shy about talking. As with everyone, it could just be real life encroaching on his time, but otherwise… what the hell, dude? Are we so boring to you that you can’t join in and mix things up a little? He was going to Korea for exciting personal reasons, I hope everything went well. > [@choie](#): > > **storyteller0910** 1 - I don’t know **storyteller0910** \* enough to know whether this is typical behavior. Anyone who’s played with him/her before, is this typical? I don’t think so, he’s running the game on Idle and is pretty much absent over there too. > [@choie](#): > > **Red Skeezix** 1 - Unlike others I don’t remember **Skeezix** being a silent lurker type, but I think I’ve only played with him once, when he was Scum, and he was in the curious position of bussing Godfather ( **septimus** at the time). Then, IIRC, he was under constant attack and made an error in posting that kinda gave away his evilitude. Maybe that’s why he’s silent now… doesn’t want to screw up again. Or, as stated, real life got in the way. In a recent game, pod people?, we almost had it won until he returned from 4 or 5 Days of absence… > [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > It actually makes me uncomfortable that any particular thing is left up to a host’s judgment call, rather than a clear, pre-written game design element[…] It makes me uncomfortable too but we’ll trust your good judgement and impartiality. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/925 "2012-04-12T20:39:36Z")
> [@choie](#): > > **Scathach** 9 - this one surprises me, because I remember **Scathach** as being more chatty in our last game. Missed day one more or less, but yet I’m very much interested in what she does from now on. > [@](#): > > **realitytrip** 7 - newcomer, so silence is understandable. Too soon to tell. > [@](#): > > **Tanaer** 3 - three posts in the whole game?! That’s not just newbieness, that’s positively social phobia. Or guilt. Also missed day one more or less (something about RL?), but posting is still markedly less than scathach, for instance. I’m getting a little concerned. > [@](#): > > **lilflower** 2 - though she’s new to the SDMB, she’s not new to Mafia games, as she mentioned she’s got a different screenname on the forum where she usually plays. So why only 2 posts? And one of those a weak late vote at that. Not happy. > [@](#): > > **Mahaloth** 2 - of all the silent players, this one strikes me as the oddest. He knows his way around and isn’t shy about talking. As with everyone, it could just be real life encroaching on his time, but otherwise… what the hell, dude? Are we so boring to you that you can’t join in and mix things up a little? Someone said something about RL. I’m not that concerned b/c the couple of posts he did have didn’t much look was he was trying to appear townie. At all. > [@](#): > > **storyteller0910** 1 - I don’t know **storyteller0910** \* enough to know whether this is typical behavior. Anyone who’s played with him/her before, is this typical? No, but he has some kind of internet access thing going on that’s affecting his game on Idlemafia as well, apparently. I hate not hearing from him given how scary he is, but I don’t think it reflects on his alignment either way. > [@](#): > > **Red Skeezix** 1 - Unlike others I don’t remember **Skeezix** being a silent lurker type, but I think I’ve only played with him once, when he was Scum, and he was in the curious position of bussing Godfather ( **septimus** at the time). Then, IIRC, he was under constant attack and made an error in posting that kinda gave away his evilitude. Maybe that’s why he’s silent now… doesn’t want to screw up again. Or, as stated, real life got in the way. Skeezix not posting gives me hives, is about all I can say. Objectively it probably shouldn’t mean anything, subjectively I want him dead like last week. Get your butt in here and say something plz. > [@](#): > > I’m _not_ saying “lynch the lurkers” – I’m just saying that y’all should speak up and participate, because a) it gives us more to work with, and more info is always better, and b) it’s more fun for you to join in, even if you’re briefly accused ( **Gadarene** ’s slow decline into hysterical madness notwithstanding). 😃 As things stand, of that list I would be happy to see pot shots taken at (or more organized vig attempts used on) Tanaer, lilflower or Skeezix. They really all need to show up to do more than just place a vote and leave, too; that’ll look like they’re just trying to avoid mod-kill. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/926 "2012-04-12T20:42:15Z")
> [@choie](#): > > **Normal** , **MHaye** has made so few posts.. not few enough to be called non-participatory, but still, not a lot to work with. Can you elaborate a tad on why you’re aiming your phasers (set to kill, not stun) on him? If it’s the same stuff you mentioned in your first argument, no need to repeat it, I’ll just double-back and re-check there. Nothing new, I don’t think he’s even posted since my comments on his Astral vote. If you want to dig up the posts, great; otherwise I’ll go find them myself. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/927 "2012-04-12T20:44:20Z")
**Septimus** , you’re the one who had Guiri on your probably town list, right? Why? ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/928 "2012-04-12T20:45:43Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > I keep forgetting that Mad Scientist thing and trying to be all logical and stuff. I’m scared now. > > Drain Bead’s replacement is actually Believerer, my friend from another forum. I imagine he’ll be along sooner or later. I don’t know who Bumbershoot is. Yeah, I thought Believerer was the sub, Bumbershoot popped up to say their board was whacked too. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/929 "2012-04-12T20:49:10Z")
NETA: Stop posting before I have have read to the end! ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/930 "2012-04-12T20:49:34Z")
Oh yeah: interesting that Guiri didn’t get killed last night. Also, I know that Normal (I think) had mentioned that Inner was viewed as a likely townie by most people, but I don’t think that’s the case. I, for one, was suspicious of him for his protection of Visor – Inner is not someone I was expecting to be killed last night, and I wonder if there’s any way to figure out why he was a target. I guess he could have been killed by a town Vig who thought similarly to me. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/931 "2012-04-12T20:55:18Z")
It could have been as simple as his already being down a bunch of hp. Though the more Pizza talks the more I think a lot of this game is going to be really weird. Why “interesting” that Guiri didn’t get killed? ---
**Author:** ![ToeJam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/dfb087/32.png) [@ToeJam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ToeJam)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/932 "2012-04-12T20:55:45Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > ToeJam, do you mind repeating that vote in blue? I know it’s not needed, but most of us on this board are so used to it I could see even Septimus missing it. And I’d kind of like to see his reasoning on why everyone on the list is coming off townie to him, myself. Ah, thanks- I had moved on to my coloring the other votes didn’t check to see if the color came out right. \*\* Vote Septimus. \*\* Thanks. And Yes, **Septimus** - how is it beneficial for us (if you’re town) to know who you find less Scummy? Your voting record should show who you find most scummy, and everyone else should be LESS scummy. Unless you’re actively trying to defend them, there’s no need to cuddle random other players- unless you’ve got a reason to want to get on their good side. Hence the paranoia. ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/933 "2012-04-12T20:57:07Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > **Septimus** , you’re the one who had Guiri on your probably town list, right? Why? It seems to be a thing of his in this game: > [@septimus](#): > > “In the absence of any other suspicions, I will follow **guiri** who has proven the value of his intuition in the past. Hanging on the coattails of a good scumhunter isn’t wrong.” (Had I gone this way, of course, I’d be on the hot seat now, pleading for mercy. 😉 ) > [@septimus](#): > > My “most likely Town” list, based just on “pinging,” includes Lightfoot, gnarlycharlie, Normal Phase, choie, GuiriEnEspaña, fubbleskag (just due to his special Power), and a few others. > [@septimus](#): > > I think Gadarene is very likely to be Town, and so is Normal Phase. (If she were Scum, might she not instead toy with Gadarene’s affections? 😃 ) In my early game with Normal Phase, when she was the Town heroine, I demonstrated a Townish Power to her, almost at her insistence, and she remained skeptical. (Hi, **Scooby Doo**!) > > I’m also inclined to think Inner Stickler gives off strong Town vibes, but have a question: In prior games when he was Town he tended to be quiet, but he is talkative in this game. I assume this is unrelated to alignment (perhaps due to RL), but could it possibly be Inner’s scum tell? > [@septimus](#): > > As I’ve said, I think Lightfoot, gnarlycharlie, Normal Phase, choie, and GuiriEnEspaña are all Townies, and I hope some of them advertise their desire to win one of the magic items. What happened to fubbles and Gadarene? ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/934 "2012-04-12T21:00:17Z")
Oh that reminds me I also wanted to hear an explanation of why gnarlycharlie looks townie. The rest there’ve been a post or posts I could see tipping someone that way, whether I agree or not, but not so much you or gnarly. ---
**Author:** ![fubbleskag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fubbleskag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fubbleskag)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/935 "2012-04-12T21:02:44Z")
eh? ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/936 "2012-04-12T21:05:26Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > It could have been as simple as his already being down a bunch of hp. Though the more Pizza talks the more I think a lot of this game is going to be really weird. > > Why “interesting” that Guiri didn’t get killed? Because of everything I said last Night about Guiri generally being a top Night One nightkill candidate for scum. Scum killed him Night One in Mystery and in Arkham Nights (which is ongoing), and from what I understand those aren’t isolated occurrences. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/937 "2012-04-12T21:07:58Z")
> [@ToeJam](#): > > And Yes, **Septimus** - how is it beneficial for us (if you’re town) to know who you find less Scummy? Your voting record should show who you find most scummy, and everyone else should be LESS scummy. > Unless you’re actively trying to defend them, there’s no need to cuddle random other players- unless you’ve got a reason to want to get on their good side. Hence the paranoia. I totally disagree with this, but it’s just a cultural debate. In my opinion, clearing people as being likely to be Town can be at least as important as trying to figure out who are likely to be Scum, particularly from a process of elimination standpoint (since it narrows the pool of people that are your scum candidates). As I said earlier: most of us are inarguably Town. We should remember that and use it to shape our reads. Paranoia is fine, but it can be anti-Town to view EVERYONE indiscriminately as possible Scum. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/938 "2012-04-12T21:09:20Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > Oh that reminds me I also wanted to hear an explanation of why gnarlycharlie looks townie. The rest there’ve been a post or posts I could see tipping someone that way, whether I agree or not, but not so much you or gnarly. I think gnarly looks fairly scummy so far. His posts have been almost entirely lacking in substance, he seems to be coasting along, and I haven’t seen anything from him that indicates that he’s trying to figure out how to solve the game. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/939 "2012-04-12T21:11:00Z")
Oh, ANNOUNCEMENT – Should you be a third party and worried about being a) killed by the town for not doing proper townie things or b) killed by the scum because at least, hey, it’s not their hides, consider coming to have a chat with me. I have a historic record of extreme [del]gullibility[/del] willingness to work with third parties, and promise not to hold a grudge against your victory condition as long as you’re straight with me and behave yourself. Signed, Townies for Tolerance of the Self-Interested (ToToSI) Chairman and Ranking [del]Sole[/del] Member: Normal Phase ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/940 "2012-04-12T21:11:20Z")
Doing a re-read… Famous first words: > [@Mosier](#): > > I am here. Don’t lynch me! I seem to have missed/skimmed this early post by Pizza, not sure if anyone’s mentioned them recently but: [quote=“Askthepizzaguy, post:47, topic:617480”] [li]Level 1-5: You may possess up to 3 items at any given time.[/li][/quote] A notice for all you greed item grabbers. > [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > Some folks are interested in accumulating gold, but if you don’t know what gold is for, then you probably aren’t interested if you gain any or lose any. Game within a game? Doesn’t sound win-stealing to me. > [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > **Item cop** - reveals progressively more info about items. Fubbles’ role? > [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > **Doublevoter, etc** - is able to vote more than once. (will not be shown in the tally) That would explain the difference between the 3 votes on Mosier and the 2 hidden votes. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480.md?page=46) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480.md?page=48)